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Why cant the Penguins just put Malkin on the wing? Im sure he could score almost as much as Kovalchuk (I mean Malkin with Crosby could score as much as Kovalchuk with Crosby).
I don't understand the idea of trading Malkin just because Staal would probably be able to be an okay 2nd line center. He's still not Malkin by a million miles and never will be. Let's keep two of the biggest studs in the league and whatever Shero wants to do when it comes to the rest of the forwards.
Because he always throws fits about playing on Pittsburgh's second line.
This is interesting to note, the "he" of your quote referring to Malkin.
It reinforces what I said in earlier Malkin based threads that when when his contract is up, Malkin might want to go someplace where he could be the number one. Given that, Pens should try to hold on to Malkin as long as possible, even if other prime assets w/high/increasing salary/cap not named Crosby (J. Staal/LeTang/MA Fleury) might be moved for that purpose.
Extrapolating just a bit further, I said Malkin stays ... for now, until at least 2+ years down the road at which time PP then has to seriously consider trade value against his production and then walking away as a UFA with Pittsburgh getting nothing.
For this, there was generally open minded reception not withstanding a handful of what one has to assume were Pen fans who had violent reaction to the thought that Malkin [like any other player in theory] could actually be traded, and wanted no part of reasonable discussion in hypothetical speculation as to what would be the fair trade value of Malkin NOW, given that we can't look the 2 years in the future and know exactly what our favorite clubs' rosters, salary cap picture, etc., will be.
Of those detractors, there was one in particular; this champ -- er chump, who shall remain nameless, practically wanted me crucified, not seeking to exercise his right to disagree, or even do so emphatically, but get off on noting how he was ripping what I was saying to shreds, like a cat going on tissue paper.
To whom I simply say, still no face palm for you, instead peace to all, particularly with John Lennon's birthday observance less than a month away.
But also I guess this quote of an honest admission from a Pens fan proves my points in general still further.
Yes honesty is the best policy. Because in the end, truth prevails.
He who prevails ultimately, prevails ultimately.
Finally to tie this to the original post, PP do need not equal value/coke-for-pepsi with minor advantage to move be induced to move Malkin.
Regardless of how sufficient/insufficient this NJ offer is, think Pens can do better.
The point I made about a de facto sign + trade (hypothetically would be agreed to by Kovy in advance) of NYR getting Kovy, then doing some variant of a PACKAGE in which the principals are Kovy + Gabborik + others from NYR to PP in exchange for Malkin + J. Staal would have arguably been better offer than what OP suggests or what Devs are willing to give up.
While that deal is obviously now moot, gotta think some variant of Gabborik + for Malkin + has appeal to both sides. But, let's keep to the original thread and make that a separate post.
Pittsburgh could get more for Malkin elsewhere. And they wouldn't trade a top 3 player in the league to a division rival unless there is a huge overpayment.
Agree entirely.
Not only should Pens hold out for top dollar, any kind of reasonable (huge/massive) overpayment IS in order for an uber-elite forward who is top three in the league.
My noting the emphasis however is that earlier some idiot who shall remain nameless, who has a right to his opinion, even if it's wrong, would not admit to the point that in theory the fact you are trading to within a division rival is a calculation, and while a legitimate single factor to take into consideration, is not as important as where you are getting your best deal, IMO.
This confirms that at least some others agree with me on this point.
And to my unnamed detractor --- he knows who he is --- your sanctimonious efforts to speak as a sole voice of undisputed authority are bending, buckling, and breaking before the truth.
But don't worry. Tolerance and freedom of speech, and even agreeing to disagree are all good things. You just have to first come to the conclusion that while you think you authoritatively know everything, you apparently do not.
Tying this into the original post, yes, any division rivals including the Devils can theoretically make a winning bid for Malkin, though the one in this thread is clearly not a winner.
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Maybe Kovalchuk + Zajac + salary dump would get the attention of the Penguin fans here. Heh Penguins would still be loaded at center after such a trade.
This is interesting to note, the "he" of your quote referring to Malkin.
It reinforces what I said in earlier Malkin based threads that when when his contract is up, Malkin might want to go someplace where he could be the number one. Given that, Pens should try to hold on to Malkin as long as possible, even if other prime assets w/high/increasing salary/cap not named Crosby (J. Staal/LeTang/MA Fleury) might be moved for that purpose.
Extrapolating just a bit further, I said Malkin stays ... for now, until at least 2+ years down the road at which time PP then has to seriously consider trade value against his production and then walking away as a UFA with Pittsburgh getting nothing.
For this, there was generally open minded reception not withstanding a handful of what one has to assume were Pen fans who had violent reaction to the thought that Malkin [like any other player in theory] could actually be traded, and wanted no part of reasonable discussion in hypothetical speculation as to what would be the fair trade value of Malkin NOW, given that we can't look the 2 years in the future and know exactly what our favorite clubs' rosters, salary cap picture, etc., will be.
Of those detractors, there was one in particular; this champ -- er chump, who shall remain nameless, practically wanted me crucified, not seeking to exercise his right to disagree, or even do so emphatically, but get off on noting how he was ripping what I was saying to shreds, like a cat going on tissue paper.
To whom I simply say, still no face palm for you, instead peace to all, particularly with John Lennon's birthday observance less than a month away.
But also I guess this quote of an honest admission from a Pens fan proves my points in general still further.
Yes honesty is the best policy. Because in the end, truth prevails.
He who prevails ultimately, prevails ultimately.
Finally to tie this to the original post, PP do need not equal value/coke-for-pepsi with minor advantage to move be induced to move Malkin.
Regardless of how sufficient/insufficient this NJ offer is, think Pens can do better.
The point I made about a de facto sign + trade (hypothetically would be agreed to by Kovy in advance) of NYR getting Kovy, then doing some variant of a PACKAGE in which the principals are Kovy + Gabborik + others from NYR to PP in exchange for Malkin + J. Staal would have arguably been better offer than what OP suggests or what Devs are willing to give up.
While that deal is obviously now moot, gotta think some variant of Gabborik + for Malkin + has appeal to both sides. But, let's keep to the original thread and make that a separate post.
Kovy + Gaborik for Staal + Malkin makes no sense as it would just change the teams problems, Pens would be weak at centre and Rangers would be weak at wing.
Personally I'd pass on any package with Gaborik as the main piece as his health is too much of an issue.
Maybe Kovalchuk + Zajac + salary dump would get the attention of the Penguin fans here. Heh Penguins would still be loaded at center after such a trade.
Too much.
If goals have more weight the difference isn't huge between Kovy and Malkin. Malkin can put up 10-20 points more than Kovy.
In all but 1 year (47 goals) Malkin has sat around the 30-35'ish goal mark (33, 35, 28). Kovy has scored 40+ in his last 6 years and 52 goals twice.
I agree, Malkin has the edge because of point totals, but not an edge as big as a 70 point perennial selke guy being added to the deal.
Kovy+Clarkson would be my final offer. I wouldn't be surprised if Pens fans rejected, but I don't see the benefit of the Devils opening up gigantic holes for what you can debate not being a massive upgrade.
I don't understand the idea of trading Malkin just because Staal would probably be able to be an okay 2nd line center. He's still not Malkin by a million miles and never will be. Let's keep two of the biggest studs in the league and whatever Shero wants to do when it comes to the rest of the forwards.
How would the Pens ever even reach the finals let alone win a cup with a Crosby-Malkin-Staal down the middle model Underrated? I have read on HF that absent changes the Pens might not even make the playoffs with that model. Makes sense to me. We should dump one of the centers for a UFA wing we could have had for free a month ago by trading one of our top salaried players elsewhere. Sounds like a winning strategy.
As an aside, I think that Kunitz for Parise is a nice alternative. True, it is not entirely fair to NJ. But as long as we are making proposals that only favor our team and ignore the other team, may as well throw that out there. If NJ fans disagree, well my proposal has at least as much of a chance of happening as the one the OP made.
How would the Pens ever even reach the finals let alone win a cup with a Crosby-Malkin-Staal down the middle model Underrated? I have read on HF that absent changes the Pens might not even make the playoffs with that model. Makes sense to me. We should dump one of the centers for a UFA wing we could have had for free a month ago by trading one of our top salaried players elsewhere. Sounds like a winning strategy.
As an aside, I think that Kunitz for Parise is a nice alternative. True, it is not entirely fair to NJ. But as long as we are making proposals that only favor our team and ignore the other team, may as well throw that out there. If NJ fans disagree, well my proposal has at least as much of a chance of happening as the one the OP made.
You keep saying "getting Kovalchuk for free" If it were that easy why didn't you? I guess deciding between Kovalchuk and Geurin was tough...
Kovalchuk+ for Malkin is just like Kunitz for Parise
You keep saying "getting Kovalchuk for free" If it were that easy why didn't you? I guess deciding between Kovalchuk and Geurin was tough...
Kovalchuk+ for Malkin is just like Kunitz for Parise
Because the Pens liked what they had maybe?
And like I said, Kunitz for Parise has exactly as much of a chance of actually happening as Kovalchuk for Malkin. My point stands, not just in this proposal. People look to what benefits their team, and barely glance at whether it would actually interest or help the other team. If the Pens were ever remotely interested in breaking up the Crosby-Malkin pairing because, lord konws, they can never win anythign with that setup, or thought it was an issue at all, which obviously they are not, why would they not have traded malkin for a boatload of prospects, and with the cap room signed Kovalchuck themselves without losing a singled asset? They are obviously not interested, were not interested, and never would be interested in anything like this proposal. I am not understanding why that is so hard to comprehend.
Im having trouble telling what here is sarcasm and what isnt thiers so much randomness.
Apparently the Pens dont have to worry about the Salary Cap now?
Zajac could be moved for cap space?
And someone said extrapolating in a sentence.
I expected to come in here for a laugh instead I think im having an aneurysm.
Kovy + Gaborik for Staal + Malkin makes no sense as it would just change the teams problems, Pens would be weak at centre and Rangers would be weak at wing.
Personally I'd pass on any package with Gaborik as the main piece as his health is too much of an issue.
Thanks; extended review of Malkin should be put into another thread if it doesn't stay close to the original post.
For a short courtesy acknowledgment, I think both Pens + Rangers would be better equipped to make such adjustments to counter the concerns you describe if that deal were done.
As for Gabborik being an injury risk, you have every right to make that judgment call. However, barring concussions (particularly severe ones) which suddenly turn into X factors, Gabs seems good so far.
Thanks; extended review of Malkin should be put into another thread if it doesn't stay close to the original post.
For a short courtesy acknowledgment, I think both Pens + Rangers would be better equipped to make such adjustments to counter the concerns you describe if that deal were done.
As for Gabborik being an injury risk, you have every right to make that judgment call. However, barring concussions (particularly severe ones) which suddenly turn into X factors, Gabs seems good so far.
