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09-14-2010, 07:32 AM
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I tend to agree with Jester, though not for the same reasons.

I think the Devils are not built to be a post-lockout SC contender. My reason for thinking is that they waste too much of their cap on goaltending.

Goaltending is not the path to success in the post-lockout NHL. This past season is evidence for this. If you want to win the Cup, you need to have a lot of scoring and defensive depth. You need to have 7-8 top 6 type forwards, and 4-5 top 3 type defenseman. You just need a goalie that is competant, not dominant. Spending $6M+ on a goalie is a misallocation of cap space, and will result in not being able to compete with the deeper teams in the postseason.
...Brodeur's cap hit is $5.2M. He's also the primary reason (outside of his injury) the Devs have had the regular season success they have had the last few years.

And getting 7-8 top 6 type forwards (special note: Pittsburgh, for example, did not have this and they're not alone), and 4-5 top 3 type defenseman (special note: Pittsburgh, for example, did not have this and they're not alone) is an unsustainable philosophy. The only way you get there is by constructing a team -- with young talent, so you gotta keep your draft picks -- that is going to explode due to the salary cap on arrival. So, sure, if you can construct a team for a one-time shot at the Cup, go for it... but that isn't a path to sustained success, or a long window of opportunity with that group.

We also watched a pretty crappy team ride a hot goalie and take out two of the better teams in the East last year.

Based on this philosophy you would turn down the Flyers acquiring Henrik Lundqvist (6.8M). A goalie that has single-handedly kept the NYR competitive despite the fact that the roster in front of him has been crap the last few years. Subtract a couple of our salaries and stick Lundqvist on this team and you're looking at a juggernaut.

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wow, that makes briere's contract look fine and good.
The 2010 Playoffs already did that.

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09-14-2010, 08:27 AM
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That list reminds me of:

Peter Forsberg,
Ron Hextall
Chris Simon
Mike Ricci
Kerry Huffman
Steve Duchesne
2 1st round picks
$15,000,000 cash
Not a single Forsberg like player in that trade and no Hextall like player either.

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Not a single Forsberg like player in that trade and no Hextall like player either.
Well, there is Bergfors...
Also, there is no Lindros like player in the trade either

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09-14-2010, 09:49 AM
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Well, there is Bergfors...
Also, there is no Lindros like player in the trade either
You are right. Kovalchuk is 100% healthy and 6 times 40 goal scorer.

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09-14-2010, 09:59 AM
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You are right. Kovalchuk is 100% healthy and 6 times 40 goal scorer.
Kovalchuk is also glass in comparison to Lindros' physical game, pre-concussion.

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Kovalchuk is also glass in comparison to Lindros' physical game, pre-concussion.
He is, so what? No one is claiming that Kovachuk is a power forward. No one is claiming that Kovy is a better player. So that, "but he was more physical argument" has nothing to do with anything.

Also, while concussions were Erics biggest issues, he still missed a lot of time because of other injuries. Averaged about 60 games in his 1st 6 years with the Flyers, pre-concussion. Never had a healthy season with the Flyers.

Great talent. Could of been Mario but was too damn disrespectful and cocky.


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He is, so what? No one is claiming that Kovachuk is a power forward. No one is claiming that Kovy is a better player. So that, "but he was more physical argument" has nothing to do with anything.

Also, while concussions were Erics biggest issues, he still missed a lot of time because of other injuries. Averaged about 60 games in his 1st 6 years with the Flyers. Never had a healthy season with the Flyers.
Not many Flyers do.

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09-14-2010, 10:40 AM
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Not many Flyers do.
BS........... A lot of drafted Flyers players do have at least one single healthy season.

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Devils spent too much of their cap on absolute crap players like:

Rolston (~5mil)
Zubrus (3.7 mil)
White (3mil)
Salvador (2.9mil)

Thats pretty much 15 million on players worth about 5 million total.

It has nothing to do with having Brodeur making 5 mil

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Devils spent too much of their cap on absolute crap players like:

Rolston (~5mil)
Zubrus (3.7 mil)
White (3mil)
Salvador (2.9mil)

Thats pretty much 15 million on players worth about 5 million total.

It has nothing to do with having Brodeur making 5 mil
Yep, their D, in particular, brings very little to the table. They get by with it because they are a well run organization that does a very good job of having everyone on the right page... but it gets exposed when teams can focus their game on getting on top of those guys back there. You add in that Lou has been pretty terrible at managing his cap, and giving out bad contracts to weaker players while letting good players walk (Rafalski and Nieds -- though, both guys signed elsewhere partially for personal reasons).

The D is better this year defensively, but their improvement there hasn't really addressed the puck moving side of things.

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09-15-2010, 12:31 AM
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BOOM! What you guys all know and love, fantasy questions. What are you Philly fans' thoughts on how much time Carter will spend at wing this season? Think Yahoo will grant him wing eligibility, as a more permanent fixture there?

I'm trying to decide if I should be trading away him or Marleau. I think their offense will be comparable, but Carter will rack up more PIMs for me. However, given that Marleau has wing eligibility already, I think he's more valuable. That kind of offensive production is easier to find at center than it is at wing. If Carter is likely to stay at wing and get the eligibility, I give him the edge based on his age and PIMs. Otherwise, gotta go Marleau.

Thanks fellas, that's all.

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BOOM! What you guys all know and love, fantasy questions. What are you Philly fans' thoughts on how much time Carter will spend at wing this season? Think Yahoo will grant him wing eligibility, as a more permanent fixture there?

I'm trying to decide if I should be trading away him or Marleau. I think their offense will be comparable, but Carter will rack up more PIMs for me. However, given that Marleau has wing eligibility already, I think he's more valuable. That kind of offensive production is easier to find at center than it is at wing. If Carter is likely to stay at wing and get the eligibility, I give him the edge based on his age and PIMs. Otherwise, gotta go Marleau.

Thanks fellas, that's all.
The chances of Carter playing wing are slim, to put it generously.

Personally, I don't know what your team looks like, but the only reason I wouldn't trade Carter for Marleau is because of the age difference and the goal difference. So it kind of depends on what your team needs.

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09-15-2010, 11:01 AM
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The chances of Carter playing wing are slim, to put it generously.

Personally, I don't know what your team looks like, but the only reason I wouldn't trade Carter for Marleau is because of the age difference and the goal difference. So it kind of depends on what your team needs.
I currently have them both. Carter and Marleau have similar ceilings. Marleau is only 30, and his production comes at wing, which is much harder to find than Carter's production at center. I'm not sure there really is much of a goal difference.

12-team league, Yahoo H2H, keep 6:

Skaters: G, A, P, +/-, PIM, PPP, GWG
Tenders: W, GAA, SV%, SO

Current Keepers:

Crosby (C)
Kane (W)
Marleau (w)
Carter (C)
Fleury (G)
Ward (G)/Quick (G) - unsure

After the trade (Getzlaf and Ryan for Ward and either Marleau or Carter) it would look like this:

Crosby (C)
Getzlaf (C)
Kane (W)
Marleau (W) or Carter (C)
Fleury (G)
Ryan (W)/Quick (G) - unsure

Keeping 3 centers isn't the best move, IMO. Thanks for the info.

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09-16-2010, 10:37 AM
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The Civic Arena is headed for demolition.

The city-Allegheny County Sports & Exhibition Authority voted unanimously this morning to proceed with steps necessary to raze the 49-year-old landmark to make way for a Penguins-led redevelopment.

The decision came despite last-ditch pleas by preservationists, led by the group Reuse the Igloo, to save the old building.

The vote occurred without any discussion from board members, prompting shouts of "Gestapo" from one member of the audience.

Mary Conturo, SEA executive director, said the agency now will start removing asbestos from the building and prepare bids for demolition, which could be ready by February.

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10259...#ixzz0zhuyDXCq

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Lukas Krajicek has signed with HC Trinec (Czech team) to one-year deal.

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Flyers new road uniforms..

Does anyone have pictures and have an idea about prices?


http://www.bizjournals.com/philadelp...3/daily50.html

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Flyers new road uniforms..

Does anyone have pictures and have an idea about prices?


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For the time being, this is the only photo I have seen:

http://twitpic.com/2pcm5r


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For the time being, this is the only photo I have seen:

http://twitpic.com/2pcm5r

Looks like last year Winter classics. Almost?

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Looks like last year Winter classics. Almost?
Yes. It was described that way earlier in the week by the Daily News' beat writer. It's a marked improvement on the recent whites/road jerseys.

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Yes. It was described that way earlier in the week by the Daily News' beat writer. It's a marked improvement on the recent whites/road jerseys.
I think sleeves were all orange in winter classic jersey. I should know it, I have one but I do not remember.

Anyway, thanks for digging it up for me.

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I think sleeves were all orange in winter classic jersey. I should know it, I have one but I do not remember.

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Marc Savard...

http://www.boston.com/sports/hockey/..._sufferin.html

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Marc Savard, complaining of symptoms that are consistent with post-concussion syndrome, will not be ready for the start of training camp. Savard has not worked out in the last few weeks, according to GM Peter Chiarelli. There is no timetable as to when Savard might start working out and skating.

Savard is meeting with team doctors today. Chiarelli did not disclose the specific nature of Savard's ailments. Savard suffered a major concussion on March 7 when he was drilled by Pittsburgh's Matt Cooke.

"Any time there's this reoccurence, there's concern," said Chiarelli. "He's a very durable guy. He's played hurt in the past. He wants to come back and we want him to be healthy."

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So he's in the same boat Gagne was in a couple of years ago.

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So he's in the same boat Gagne was in a couple of years ago.
Maybe he can go ******* on Volchenkov at some point down the road, too.

Man, that was so awesome to watch.

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