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09-18-2010, 08:52 AM
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What Nation? WTF up buddy, you live in Canada and more than half the team are Canadian on a team named the Canadiens.
From the Oxford dictionary: "A nation is a group of people who share culture, ethnic origin and language, often possessing or seeking its own independent government." It's not to be confused with "country" or Nation State. Scots form a nation, even though they don't possess their own country. Many countries in the world include more than one nation, such as Turkey, Russia, China, Australia, the US and pretty much all American countries, Sudan, Israel, Irak, and I could go on for a while. Denying the very existance of the Quebec nation is rude and a sign of bigoted denial.


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Habs aren't a lynchpin for national pride and aspirations.
Initially, the Montreal Canadiens were formed as a French Canadian team for French Canadians (club de hockey Canadien), and they have been, even more so since Maurice Richard, a symbol of pride and hope for the French Canadian/Quebecois nation. Obviously they were followed by people of both nations in Montreal and the rest of Canada, but the relationship was different. Regardless of the situation today and what it means, you can't deny the historical sociological relationship between the Habs and French Canadians.

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From the Oxford dictionary: "A nation is a group of people who share culture, ethnic origin and language, often possessing or seeking its own independent government." It's not to be confused with "country" or Nation State. Scots form a nation, even though they don't possess their own country. Many countries in the world include more than one nation, such as Turkey, Russia, China, Australia, the US and pretty much all American countries, Sudan, Israel, Irak, and I could go on for a while. Denying the very existance of the Quebec nation is rude and a sign of bigoted denial.




Initially, the Montreal Canadiens were formed as a French Canadian team for French Canadians (club de hockey Canadien), and they have been, even more so since Maurice Richard, a symbol of pride and hope for the French Canadian/Quebecois nation. Obviously they were followed by people of both nations in Montreal and the rest of Canada, but the relationship was different. Regardless of the situation today and what it means, you can't deny the historical sociological relationship between the Habs and French Canadians.
Well, if you can make the distinction on "nation", you sure as hell can make the distinction between a linchpin and a beacon... I said the Habs were a beacon of that historical significance, but they aren't a lynchpin and anyone using it as such is for their own purpose.

If you would've considered this, you wouldn't have felt the need the babble on about something I already know full well, and already mentioned in my previous post.

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The context of a lot of the arguments regarding the history of the Habs and where the players came from is rooted in the fact that up until expansion, there were only 6 teams in the league and territorial rights prevailed.

Now there are many more teams to compete with, no territorial privileges, and a much broader scope of drafting that used to almost be exclusively Canadian.

Q players comprise about 25% of players drafted. Significant, but the least of the CHL leagues. On that basis, with much more teams competing for top talent, how can anyone think it possible to have anything close to the proportion of Quebec players that used to be on the Habs 60's and earlier? Also, how can one insist on narrowing the focus of the draft to get Quebec players and expect to build the best team possible? Couple that with the fact that very few Q born players (let alone really good players) opt to play in Montreal when they are in their prime.

Molson is right.

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