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09-18-2010, 09:53 PM
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1) Andrei Markov - re-signed at roughly the same salary for 3 years
2) Roman Hamrlik - gone
3) Hal Gill - gone
4) Alex Auld - gone
5) Mathieu Darche - gone
6) Jeff Halpern - gone
7) Curtis Stanford - gone or kept for Hamilton

With a lot of salary coming off the books and not many raises to hand out (Gorges as the main one), there will be room to be active in free agency. If Kostitsyn has another off year they could also choose to not send him a qualifying offer and free up even more salary.

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09-18-2010, 10:08 PM
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let's sign Chara, Kaberle and Phillips...

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09-18-2010, 10:14 PM
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IMO all gone expect Markov.
Pretty much

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Is it for sure that Markov stays ? Don't mean to be a pessomist but in LaPresse when they asked him he answered "too early". I sure hope he does. He's our best player, by a mile.

Also, does anybody knows who are the expected big names of 2011 ?

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seriously if we could re-sign Markov and sign one of

Phillips/White/Ehrhoff

Chara isnt a realistic option.

Young UFA we should make a push
Ericksson/Stuart/Giordano

Markov Phillips
Spacek Subban
Ericksson Gorges

At forwards, I like Backes and Upshall.

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09-18-2010, 10:34 PM
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seriously if we could re-sign Markov and sign one of

Phillips/White/Ehrhoff

Chara isnt a realistic option.

Young UFA we should make a push
Ericksson/Stuart/Giordano

Markov Phillips
Spacek Subban
Ericksson Gorges

At forwards, I like Backes and Upshall.

Phillips is an even less realistic option than Chara. Phillips is never leaving Ottawa. They need his defensive skills, anyways.

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09-18-2010, 11:17 PM
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seriously if we could re-sign Markov and sign one of

Phillips/White/Ehrhoff

Chara isnt a realistic option.

Young UFA we should make a push
Ericksson/Stuart/Giordano

Markov Phillips
Spacek Subban
Ericksson Gorges

At forwards, I like Backes and Upshall.
how about Bieska ?

Markov-Bieska
Spacek-Subban
Gorges-xxxx
OByrn

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09-18-2010, 11:34 PM
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This is way too early to even consider these scenarios with some insight, but I'd say Erhoff would be a pretty damn neat addition to our team. This guy certainly is one of the most underrated d-men in the league.

Up front, I always thought and still consider Backes to be a very, very special player. He's a gamer, a winner who's going to win championships. I don't know, I just always loved how this guy handled on the ice.

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09-18-2010, 11:50 PM
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I see Gill staying for one more year, Hamrlik is gone. We need to sign one big name UFA defenseman. With Markov, Subban, Gorges, Spacek and Gill, we need to get bigger. We need to go all out to get Chara.

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09-19-2010, 12:29 AM
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all gone except markov - and i would add andrei kostitsyn to list (if he has an identical year to last)...
and will either be replaced by pacioretty or a UFA in 2011.
i also see habs going after another solid ufa dman after letting gill and hammer walk

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09-19-2010, 07:14 AM
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There becomes a problem with signing UFAs / re-signing our own UFAs. We're developing a backlog of guys that need to play in the NHL.

Carle would need to be waived to play in the AHL this year, and I feel he may be claimed. So perhaps we'll deal him for a similar asset beforehand. But if he's kept up in Montreal, that means Carle, Weber, and O'Byrne all need to stay in the NHL next year.

Markov - Subban
Spacek - O'Byrne
Weber/Carle - Gorges
Weber/Carle

That looks pretty weak. This means a trade is likely, either instead of a signing, or in conjunction with one.

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09-19-2010, 08:08 AM
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Overpay much?
So do we want to keep Gill or not? Based on last year's playoff, he's a $3M player on the open market. I don't think there should be any doubt whatsoever of that. The coming year might bring him back to down to earth. I'm not sure we should *hope* for that though!

I mean, I'd really prefer to give up my notions of him as a pylonesque big guy who has his bottom-6 PK specialty and not much else, who gets a $2.25M contract... and replace him with a $3M elite shot-blocking shut-down stud who can play a significant role in keeping the Crosbys, Malkins, and Ovechkins of the NHL off the scoresheet when it matters most. And plays a significant leadership role on the team.

The reality may be somewhere in between. Who knows at this point. I have my doubts too. But I think as fans we should hope for the best. And if the best means the Molsons pay an extra $1M to him, I'm not too worried about that. I'd want to keep that $1M in my budget for now, until I see if that's where Gill's market value still is at 6-8 months from now.

Because it IS there right now. Don't fool yourself. He's a $3M defenseman today. Tomorrow's another day. And there are factors even external to Gill's performance which can affect what we might want to allocate for him. But I'd pencil him in for now, and at his what-has-he-done-for-us-lately valuation.

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09-19-2010, 09:07 AM
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Markov Gauthier is going to try and sign long term, and I hope we can sign Hamrlik on for cheaper for another year or two the rest are expendable
Markov needs to have a 70 game season and a full playoff. He's really becoming a question mark re health. If he misses another 30 games this year and gets hurt at playoff time for the third year running, I don't see anyone offering him a long term contract.

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markov cannot have lower salary then any habs singned by bob or pg

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So do we want to keep Gill or not? Based on last year's playoff, he's a $3M player on the open market. I don't think there should be any doubt whatsoever of that. The coming year might bring him back to down to earth. I'm not sure we should *hope* for that though!

I mean, I'd really prefer to give up my notions of him as a pylonesque big guy who has his bottom-6 PK specialty and not much else, who gets a $2.25M contract... and replace him with a $3M elite shot-blocking shut-down stud who can play a significant role in keeping the Crosbys, Malkins, and Ovechkins of the NHL off the scoresheet when it matters most. And plays a significant leadership role on the team.

The reality may be somewhere in between. Who knows at this point. I have my doubts too. But I think as fans we should hope for the best. And if the best means the Molsons pay an extra $1M to him, I'm not too worried about that. I'd want to keep that $1M in my budget for now, until I see if that's where Gill's market value still is at 6-8 months from now.

Because it IS there right now. Don't fool yourself. He's a $3M defenseman today. Tomorrow's another day. And there are factors even external to Gill's performance which can affect what we might want to allocate for him. But I'd pencil him in for now, and at his what-has-he-done-for-us-lately valuation.
Again though, as with Hamrlik, Gill will be over 35 the next contract he signs. We took a big risk with Spacek at the +35 contract, but you don't see alot of other teams doing this, and actually a quick run through nhlnumbers and capgeek shows that only elite defencemen are signed to cap numbers well over 3M past their 35th birthday, and even at that most were signed before they got to the 35+ contract.

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09-19-2010, 09:29 AM
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Phillips is an even less realistic option than Chara. Phillips is never leaving Ottawa. They need his defensive skills, anyways.
I dont know.

It depends what Ottawa does this year. If they have a bad year he might leave.


And big no for Bieksa. He's too offensive and would make a bad partner for Markov. He's often injured too.

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09-19-2010, 10:05 AM
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So do we want to keep Gill or not? Based on last year's playoff, he's a $3M player on the open market.
How do you think he played with the Pens when they won the cup?

Last year was not a coming-out season for Gill, he played just like that when he won the cup.

The fact is that he's one of the more underrated D man in the leagues because specialists aren't as valued as capable all around 5 on 5 players.

Gill is a penalty kill specialist -- a guy you can also on use in key situations in the defensive zone. Had been more mobile he's be worth 6 Million. But he's a liability 5 on5, particularly in the Regular season.

Personally I would sign him until he's 40 for 1m - 1.5m / yr because I have no doubt that if used sparingly but in key situations he will continue to be clutch. Too much 5 and 5 we'll have issues-- It's just that he's so effective in what he does well I'm willing to take on that trade-off.

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09-19-2010, 10:10 AM
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Markov back at ~ $7M. Gill back at $3M. It's enough. Depending on how all play, this year of course. I don't think there are any of them who MUST depart. Ramo could make Auld expendable. But you still have to play the year first.
I will be quite pissed if we give Gill a 3M deal. In no way is he worth that, nor should you be paying your bottom pairing D 3M.
People used to whine about Dandy and Bouillon making 1.8M...now you're suggesting we give Gill 3M??..No way.

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UFA

1) Andrei Markov
2) Roman Hamrlik
3) Hal Gill
4) Alex Auld
5) Mathieu darche
6) Jeff Halpern
7) Curtis Stanford

Available Cap space if all are released : 16,15 Million Dollars


1) He will resign this year and get a comfortable raise despite his injury.
2) Will be released he used to be good . Now is overpaid and we can get much better talent for much less .
3) Same as with Hammer he is okay but we can leave space to young guys to show what they are worth.
4)Auld unless he has a Halak backup year will be released and hopefully replaced by Ramo if he comes back to NA.
5)Darche is the 2nd oldest player on the habs . Unless he has a phenomenal year i think the habs will release him and he might just give up the NHL dream . Is a 4th liner will always be a 4th liner .
6) Halpern is a plug for Metro this year . He is old hopefully he can help the young guys evolve on 3rd or 4th line .
7) Stanford will always play in the AHL and he will most likely be released as an UFA in the summer of 2011 .

So that being said there is 9,15 Million dollars to give raises to Young players ex: Georges and maybe and hopefully ink a good UFA .

So my question to you is what do you think will happen with these players ?

Sure those are the UFAs, but we have a huge number of RFAs that could be gone as well. You need to count them in when talking about available cap.
That number is close to 30M of free space at the end of the year, not 16.

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09-19-2010, 10:19 AM
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How do you think he played with the Pens when they won the cup?
The impact wasn't the same, though. I will agree that it's arguable, however. Scuderi and Orpik had as much/more ice in similar capacities, but then for us so did Gorges. I would say that the Gill/Gorges defensive contribution, next to Halak's goaltending and Cammalleri's goal-scoring was crucial for our little playoff run. I would say the Penguins would have won the Cup without Hal Gill. But one's mileage may vary and I won't counterargue if somebody saw things a bit differently.
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Personally I would sign him until he's 40 for 1m - 1.5m / yr because I have no doubt that if used sparingly but in key situations he will continue to be clutch. Too much 5 and 5 we'll have issues-- It's just that he's so effective in what he does well I'm willing to take on that trade-off.
I wouldn't sign him to anything right now, mind you. I like the idea that we watch him and Hamrlik closely, and retain *one* of them. But I think the one we pick, presuming they both mount a reasonable challenge at the peak of what we can realistically expect from them this season, is worth around $3M. For me, that's a short-term deal either way. Hence a bigger premium.

I wouldn't sign either until he's 40, no way. And I wouldn't expect them to take $1M-$1.5M even on a "retirement" contract either. I don't see that as a realistic option from the player's perspective. But nor one that I would pursue anyway from management.

$3M per on a 1- or 2-year deal for one of them is what would be in the back of my mind for now. I'd actually be HOPING that they earn it over the course of the season, not that I'd have to be looking at something less. But until the season gets played, it's not realistic to have any serious expectations.

Now, if Gill had been scheduled for UFA *THIS SUMMER* and the only way we'd have been able to keep him was to offer $3M, then I would have bit down hard on my reservations and signed him for that.

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With the d-men in particular I think there some pretty big "ifs" before we say they are just gone. As another already mentioned there are the RFA's to consider too. Having said that.................

1) Andrei Markov: I don't know what to think here. Markov seems content in Montreal but just for how much? Because he took a home town discount before doesn't mean he will again. And what about his health? That remains to be seen. This potentially will be his "big" contract. Habs he will re-sign I would imagine.

2) Roman Hamrlik: if Hamrlik stays relatively injury free and has a consistent season I'd consider re-signing at the right price. He seems to like Montreal too and if he does an admirable job with PK Subban he'd be all the more worth it if he could help to develop one of Carle or Weber or another young d-man.

3) Hal Gill: I'd prefer he be gone. He's just too one dimensional for my liking. This team needs help at even strength and he is not helpful in that area.

4) Alex Auld: who knows but I would suspect he would be gone. Many goalies out there.

5) Mathieu Darche: gone

6) Jeff Halpern: gone

7) Curtis Stanford: <shrug>

I see the re-building of the defence as the priority next year. What happens to guys like Gill and Hamrlik I guess depends on free agency and the youngins'. But if it would come down to the possibility of re-signing Gill or Hamrlik (assuming Markov is signed) for a reasonable price I'd lean towards Hamrlik because of his all round play and proven mentorship.


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Please resign Markov...

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Markov should be resigned, not sure of anyone else. BTW, who's some notable UFAs that we should be thinking about, or at least have a shot at?

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Sure those are the UFAs, but we have a huge number of RFAs that could be gone as well. You need to count them in when talking about available cap.
That number is close to 30M of free space at the end of the year, not 16.
That's exactly what I was thinking about....

We'll have to take some crucial decisions concerning AKost and Pouliot.....personnally I have faith in Pou but AK seems to become the next Kovalev. Also Pouliot is younger.

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Hamrlik

I know Hamrlik is overpaid right now and that is probably why so many of you don't appreciate his play...but considering he'll be UFA next summer and is going to ask for a lot less than his making this year...would you not consider oferring him a one or two year contract at 2 Million or less?

He is still a good player and can backup Markov when injured. Also it's good to have a veteran D to play with our youngsters...

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