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09-25-2010, 01:01 PM
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Huet is European, Redden is North American so your argument doesn't hold much weight.

A European is much more likely to leave North America for Europe than a North American.
Redden is a Canadian, not an American. This is not a subtle difference. A Canadian is much more likely to not want their children to be raised in a situation where the values differ tremendously from those domestically; though this is equally true of American families, it's more likely that the values would closer align with the culture.

There are, to my knowledge, many more Canadian hockey players playing in Europe than you might realize. It's not really surprising to me either, many European countries have similar "values" to what you'd expect here.

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Feel bad for Redden, all he did was sign the best contract he was offered.
Feel bad? He still going to be getting his 6.5M. So he plays in the AHL, oh well, he is clearly not good enough to play in the NHL anymore so that's what happens. Now he gets to be the highest paid paid player in the AHL, man do I feel bad for him.

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09-25-2010, 01:02 PM
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If Redden terminates his contract and looks for a new team at, let's say, $1 million, how many interested teams can be expected? A few?

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With Savard possibly out, I kind of hope Boston grabs Redden on re-entry and waive Ference

Bring Chara and Redden together again!

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I agree that something should be addressed, but a team still has to protect itself against players that completely crap out and dont deserve a spot on the team, regardless of the money they make.

I hate the idea of putting players in the AHL that are worthy of an NHL roster spot. for instance, talks of NJ putting Salvador and Zubrus in the AHL is ridiculous and ********d up if you ask me
I may be biased as my team has a terrible contract on its hands that will likely be sent down (Finger) but I completely agree. When a player is completely overpaid and is a questionable NHL player, teams shouldn't be expected to keep them on their roster.

However for players such as Zubrus, who is still a valuable player at the NHL level, there is no reason he should be sent down or forced to go back to Europe to play because a team decided that it wanted to make a signing it didn't have room for.

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09-25-2010, 01:06 PM
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Because people not as enlightened as you prefer to live and work in their own culture. And while I'm sure Redden is eager to take advantage of the generous welfare state in Switzerland, he might prefer to remain in the culture he's lived in his whole life.
I'm confused. Are you proposing that he has lived in the culture of the United States his whole life?

I would tend to think that Switzerland would be closer to Canadian culture than the United States, at least with respect to social programs and education systems; which would no doubt be a consideration with his kid on the way.

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Redden is a Canadian, not an American. This is not a subtle difference. A Canadian is much more likely to not want their children to be raised in a situation where the values differ tremendously from those domestically; though this is equally true of American families, it's more likely that the values would closer align with the culture.

There are, to my knowledge, many more Canadian hockey players playing in Europe than you might realize. It's not really surprising to me either, many European countries have similar "values" to what you'd expect here.
I never knew there was such an East/West divide between America and Canada! I wonder why he put his family through such torture when he signed that deal to play in New York for six years!

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I never knew there was such an East/West divide between America and Canada! I wonder why he put his family through such torture when he signed that deal to play in New York for six years!
There is quite a difference. Nationalized health care being one. The general cultures are different. I personally never realized there was such an East/West divide between say Switzerland and Canada

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Redden is a Canadian, not an American. This is not a subtle difference. A Canadian is much more likely to not want their children to be raised in a situation where the values differ tremendously from those domestically; though this is equally true of American families, it's more likely that the values would closer align with the culture.

There are, to my knowledge, many more Canadian hockey players playing in Europe than you might realize. It's not really surprising to me either, many European countries have similar "values" to what you'd expect here.
A North American is not an American who lives in the northern United States. A North American is a person who lives in North America. North America is a continent consisting of Canada, The United Stated and Mexico.


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09-25-2010, 01:15 PM
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While waiving Redden gives the NYR much needed cap-space for the season, the mere presence of Redden cap-hit during the off-season still cripples their flexibility to delve into the UFA market for high-dollar players. In the off-season when cap-flexibility is a premium, Redden's cap-hit will still be an albatross.
Although this is an excellent point that I haven't heard mentioned that often, look at the Devils going over the cap. I think a team's allowed to be 5% over during the summer (someone will correct me I'm sure), so that's close to 3 million bucks that can be used until it's time to waive Redden all over again.

Good point though, it's a bit of a pain I'm sure.

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I think Canada has a lot more in common culturally with the U.S. than it does with Europe, despite the welfare state.

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I'm confused. Are you proposing that he has lived in the culture of the United States his whole life?
Yes! I'm pretty sure he has spent much of his life traveling through the United States playing hockey. I suspect he is quite accustomed to it. And I don't think U.S. is like the Soviet Union or China compared to Canada.

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I would tend to think that Switzerland would be closer to Canadian culture than the United States, at least with respect to social programs and education systems; which would no doubt be a consideration with his kid on the way.
Well I disagree. And I really doubt that Redden, with his considerable wealth, needs to take advantage of state-run social or education programs for his kids to live a nice life.

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Blows for Redden, I guess.

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If Redden terminates his contract and looks for a new team at, let's say, $1 million, how many interested teams can be expected? A few?
If this happened, he'd definitely be signed by somebody. I could see him claimed off re-entry by a team with a weaker blueline. That said, I doubt he terminates the contract and I doubt Sather puts him on re-entry.

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Although this is an excellent point that I haven't heard mentioned that often, look at the Devils going over the cap. I think a team's allowed to be 5% over during the summer (someone will correct me I'm sure), so that's close to 3 million bucks that can be used until it's time to waive Redden all over again.

Good point though, it's a bit of a pain I'm sure.
It's 10%

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I may be biased as my team has a terrible contract on its hands that will likely be sent down (Finger) but I completely agree. When a player is completely overpaid and is a questionable NHL player, teams shouldn't be expected to keep them on their roster.

However for players such as Zubrus, who is still a valuable player at the NHL level, there is no reason he should be sent down or forced to go back to Europe to play because a team decided that it wanted to make a signing it didn't have room for.
If he's "worthy of a roster spot" then he'll be claimed by another team. If 29 other GMs don't think he is worth his contract then sending him to the AHL/overseas is completely justified.

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09-25-2010, 01:23 PM
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A North American is not an American who lives in the northern United States. A North American is a person who lives in North America. North America is a continent consisting of Canada, The United Stated and Mexico.

Sigh.

I am fully aware of what a "North American" is. Thanks. For an encore, why don't you tell us what a South American is.

The point (that apparently was totally lost on you) is that, in general, Americans, you know the ones living in the United States of America, tend to be much more willing to bundle up everyone in North America as being "North American" and use it as a descriptive term to describe themselves. This may account for the fact that the United States accounts for 330,000,000 people; which is more than twice Canada and Mexico *combined*.

I have *never* heard a Canadian refer to themselves as a North American first, just as I have never heard someone from France say, "Oh. I'm a European". This whole ideal of East v. West, North America v. Fortress Europe, is much more alive in American ideology than Canadian ones.

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I don't get all this talk about how this would be circumventing the cap. This was (unlike those retirement contracts...) forseen when the CBA was made, and thus the summer cap was installed. And it's also "only" ~6 million more that the normal cap, so most teams that can spend to the cap should be financially able to do this (and when it's better for the club to pay someone 6.5 million to play in the AHL, than to pay him the same to play in the NHL they should). For all the internal cap teams it's of course not an option, but there isn't complete parity anyway.

It's not a real loophole and it's not unlimited. This is the Rangers one "free" pass they get, if they need to dump another horrible contract in the next four years they can't repeat this.

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And now all the Ranger fans that previously complained about how the Devils got rid of Malakhov are all happy and partying. It's nice how your perception changes when it's your team.
The issue with Malakhov was his 35 plus contract. Two different situations.

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I would laugh if the Isles or Jackets claim him

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And the Rangers just lost a little bit of respect throughout the whole league. Players are going to think twice before accepting a contract from the Rangers, who will put you on waivers in 2 or 3 years without batting an eye.
now, had Redden actually played well, this statement may have some shred credibility, however since Redden had sucked balls for the last 4 years, your comment is without merit or understanding of a players mindset when they enter into contracts for multiple years.

Actually this will serve as notice that you still need to earn your way regardless of the bloated and undeserving contract.

There's an obligation both ways here and the Rangers are still holding up to their end of the obligation which is actually paying the contract, Redden has not lived up to his end of the obligation to play well enough to not only earn the money, but at the very very least earn a roster spot.

Your disdain for the Rangers financial strength is sickening.

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I think that when players signed to 1-way contracts are placed on waivers, the team that waived him should be forced to eventually place him on re-entry waivers as well.

Otherwise it just gives GMs that overpay for a player (ie. Redden, Finger, etc) a loophole to get out of their problems.
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So Redden has a sub-par final 2 yrs in Ottawa and still Glen $ather gives him that contract. Anyone wanna tell me why they shouldn't be stuck with Wade ?
Can you imagine if the NHL didn't have guaranteed contracts? Good god, the amount of crying would crash the boards.

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I would laugh if the Isles or Jackets claim him
do teams have to reach the cap floor? or do they just need to reach it if they want to be involved in the revenue sharing?

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$6,500,000.00 CAP HIT!

He will ONLY be picked up on re-entry waivers in my opinion ($3,250,000.00)

I would love to see Gauthier take him on re-entry waivers ONLY if Hamrlik and Spacek are off the books.

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You can not be serious.

Even at 3.25 M he is not worth it.

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