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09-24-2010, 12:41 PM
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With all due respecct, you seriously fail as Eric has by arguing his salary when discussing his talent. Clearly you can characterize him as you wish based on his play, 3rd liner etc. However, you can not creat a nexis between his play and salary when your judging what type of NHL'er he is. You can only discuss whether you would want him on your team in a cap era based on JM's gamble.
You want to yell at JM, have at it. Yelling at Olez becuase of his contract just makes one another uneducated spectator.
So Olesz shouldn't be "yelled at" for underachieving, greatly? What is he? 5? This happens in every fanbase; players who don't perform up to expectations get boo'd, yelled at, etc. In Olesz' case, not only is he overpaid, but he barely produces, as well.

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With all due respecct, you seriously fail as Eric has by arguing his salary when discussing his talent. Clearly you can characterize him as you wish based on his play, 3rd liner etc. However, you can not creat a nexis between his play and salary when your judging what type of NHL'er he is. You can only discuss whether you would want him on your team in a cap era based on JM's gamble.
You want to yell at JM, have at it. Yelling at Olez becuase of his contract just makes one another uneducated spectator.
I'm guessing you didnt read my posts in this thread where I clearly made a point that...

YOU CANNOT JUDGE A PLAYER IN THE CAP ERA ON TALENT ALONE!

So that nexus already exists to judge Olesz on and what type of NHLer he is. All GMs are already applying that logic when making trades and decisions on players and their team. So no one fails when they argue about salary when discussing talent. You will soon see several teams making moves to demote guys who have the talent to play in the NHL but are forced to either trade, demote or loan them to Europe because of the salary cap (NJ is an obvious example with Salvador and/or Zubrus).

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YOU CANNOT JUDGE A PLAYER IN THE CAP ERA ON TALENT ALONE!
Yes you can. You're focusing too much on the final assessment, but before you can realize if a player is worth his salary, you must assess his talent independent of it. That's the evaluation we're talking about, and the one you're arguing doesn't exist. Of course it exists. We realize that it's irrelevant because the contract is a reality and there's no doing away with it, but the point is that the knock on Olesz comes from the contract he's not living up to. Give him a cheaper contract and far fewer people have a problem with him.

The problem here is that the person who disagrees with your assertion the most is the person you're agreeing with. Nobody's making a case for Olesz being deserving of his contract, but Erick is saying that he'd be garbage with any contract, which is counter to your feeling that such hypotheticals are irrelevant since his contract is a reality. Get what I'm saying? You're replying to the wrong person here.

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09-24-2010, 08:16 PM
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Some of you only want to focus on Olesz' talent, because he has talent. It's the obviously safe argument to make. But that's not the point. The point is, despite his talent, he hasn't achieved anything of merit in the NHL, except for his disproportionately large salary.

The fact is, so far his performance has been poor. I have long since complained about this, because I have observed that he's always playing soft and afraid. I think he's afraid of injury, and thus afraid of getting hit and getting physically involved. But hockey is a physical game, if you don't get involved, you won't be in the flow. That's Olesz' main problem.

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I'm guessing you didnt read my posts in this thread where I clearly made a point that...

YOU CANNOT JUDGE A PLAYER IN THE CAP ERA ON TALENT ALONE!

So that nexus already exists to judge Olesz on and what type of NHLer he is. All GMs are already applying that logic when making trades and decisions on players and their team. So no one fails when they argue about salary when discussing talent. You will soon see several teams making moves to demote guys who have the talent to play in the NHL but are forced to either trade, demote or loan them to Europe because of the salary cap (NJ is an obvious example with Salvador and/or Zubrus).
wow... you win!!! your font was bigger so your point makes more sense...

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