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09-30-2010, 08:25 PM
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Make us a contender

In my honest opinion, we're not as far away from being a contender as some people think. Come up with 1 move (try to keep it as realistic as possible) to make us into a potential contender for this season.

Dubinsky, Anisimov, Rozsival, 1st, 2nd(WSH) for Brad Richards

Frolov Stepan Gaborik
Prospal Richards Zuccarello
Avery Christensen Callahan
Prust Drury Kennedy
Boogard, Boyle

Staal Girardi
Del Zotto Sauer
McDonagh Gilroy
Valentenko

Lundqvist
Biron




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Dubinsky, Anisimov, Rozsival, 1st, 2nd(WSH) for Lecavalier

Frolov Stepan Gaborik
Prospal Lecavalier Zuccarello
Avery Drury Callahan
Prust Boyle Kennedy
Boogard, Christensen

Staal Girardi
Del Zotto Sauer
McDonagh Gilroy
Valentenko

Lundqvist
Biron

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09-30-2010, 08:28 PM
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I think that trading for Heatley last summer would have helped.

But one realistic move? I mean ultimately to get a player who would instantly put us in contention you'd have to

A. Have a Heatley scenario where the franchise player must be dealt

B. Offer up a ton of picks and players for him.

Honestly it would take a Crosby like player for us to be a contender.

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09-30-2010, 08:34 PM
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Dubinsky, Anisimov, Rozsival, 1st, 2nd(WSH) for Brad Richards


Dubinsky, Anisimov, Rozsival, 1st, 2nd(WSH) for Lecavalier

Both of those deals would be a step in wrong direction. You are trading away cheap(ish) young players like Dubi and Ani plus draft picks for 1 guy who is a free agent after this season and will command big bucks OR a guy who has horrible contract which runs for like another 10 or more years.

No thanks.

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Play with the guys already under contract with us.

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Dubinsky, Anisimov, Rozsival, 1st, 2nd(WSH) for Brad Richards

Frolov Stepan Gaborik
Prospal Richards Zuccarello
Avery Christensen Callahan
Really all that for a guy that is UFA at the end of the year. And on top of that trading all that so that he can play on the second line? Seriously that much going out is worth ALOT more than Brad Richards. That's in the area of what Pitt send to Atlanta for Hossa.

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09-30-2010, 08:39 PM
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HOW TO MAKE US A CONTENDER

1. Look at the core of young players the team has
2. Don't trade that core of young players the team has
3. Continue to build to that core of young players the team has

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09-30-2010, 08:41 PM
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Both of those deals would be a step in wrong direction. You are trading away cheap(ish) young players like Dubi and Ani plus draft picks for 1 guy who is a free agent after this season and will command big bucks OR a guy who has horrible contract which runs for like another 10 or more years.

No thanks.
exactly. 'ngough said.

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09-30-2010, 08:42 PM
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One Drury is either off the books or resigned for a lot cheaper, use that money to grab either a top pairing defenseman or a top 6 skater.

Don't trade Dubinsky, nor Stepan, nor Kreider, nor Anisimov, nor Grachev, nor MZA, etc.

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09-30-2010, 08:50 PM
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Yea both of those trades are simply atrocious.

Why in the world would we trade Anisimov for somone who will be a UFA next offseason?

Also why would we trade Anisimov for a terrible contract that has 7 years left and 11 mill per season.

1 Realistic move that will make us a contender:

Don't Trade some of our core players for washed up players with huge contracts, and don't trade our core players for people who will be UFA's in 10 months.

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09-30-2010, 08:56 PM
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HOW TO MAKE US A CONTENDER

1. Look at the core of young players the team has
2. Don't trade that core of young players the team has
3. Continue to build to that core of young players the team has
Genius.

Let's not take a step backwards by trading away our young talent for UFAs and awful contracts.

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There is no REALISTIC one move that will make them a contender, sorry.

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Seriously. people have no patience.

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HOW TO MAKE US A CONTENDER

1. Look at the core of young players the team has
2. Don't trade that core of young players the team has
3. Continue to build to that core of young players the team has
Thats a plan that should be continued, but Im telling you right now it wont lead to the Rangers being legitimate contenders.

Building the young core AND signing truly impact players with the $12M in cap space once Drury and Roszival come off the books in 2 years is what will allow for this team to be serious contenders.

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Stick to what we have going now. This team is finally appearing to get it right. It'll take a few years but the foundation here is very good.

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09-30-2010, 09:02 PM
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In my honest opinion, we're not as far away from being a contender as some people think. Come up with 1 move (try to keep it as realistic as possible) to make us into a potential contender for this season.
So why destroy all the progress we've made over the past several seasons by blowing it all up for 1 guy who probably won't be enough to help us win it all?

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09-30-2010, 09:13 PM
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Staal Girardi
Del Zotto Sauer
McDonagh Gilroy
Valentenko
Contender? really?

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So why destroy all the progress we've made over the past several seasons by blowing it all up for 1 guy who probably won't be enough to help us win it all?
Moving Dubi, Anisimov, and Rozy and bringing in a 30 yr old #1 center = blowing it all up? We'd still have Staal, DZ, Cally, Gaborik, Stepan, Girardi, McDonagh, Valentenko, Gilroy, MZA, Grachev, Kreider, Sauer, McIlrath, Bourque, Weise, Werek, Frolov, Kennedy....

It's not like we become the Islanders by trading Dubi, Ani, and Rozy... I think the 1st round pick hurts more than any of those losses, especially when a 1st line center is coming back (Lecav already signed til he's 40 (good and bad), and I think Richards would likely sign an extension to finish his career in NY playing for Torts and on a very good young team with Gaborik and Lundqvist.

The team would finally have a legit championship core in Richards, Gaborik, and Lundqvist with Staal and DZ being the stars on defense, not to mention Frolov (who I think will end up being extended as well) and a lot of young players in their proper roles as they continue to improve.

I certainly understand the perspective that we should stay the course until Drury + Rozy come off the books, or HOPE that Richards hits the FA market and we can outbid everyone else (not even a totally good thing). I'm not even necessarily 100% on the other side. But I think some of you are overreacting about trading a guy who held out and may hold out again for more money, Anisimov (who no doubt has a ton of potential), and a defenseman who has been made expendable by our young players for a legit championship caliber centerman.

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Contender? really?
Fair point. So come up with a move that makes us a contender by improving the back-end. Look at what the Flyers did getting Pronger. Everyone else slides into their proper spots and their D looks 100x better even when Prongers not on the ice because of the matchups.

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09-30-2010, 09:24 PM
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Seriously. people have no patience.
What I'm noticing more is that some of you have fallen in love with the word "patience" and would absolutely ruin this team's chances by being too afraid to make a move at the right time. I'm not saying that now is definitely the right time, but you can't do nothing but preach patience. All cup teams make trades in order to fill out their team. It's crazy how some of you would choose to hold on to every single prospect and young player until they fully develop rather than make a move that makes sense to make you a better team just because the player you're getting back is older. I'm not saying we should be trading prospects for 35 year olds, but you have to realize that Lundqvist isn't 23 anymore. He's 27. The window to win with Lundqvist as our goalie isn't going to be open forever. Especially if we don't make some serious progress between now and the time his contract expires, don't assume he's going to sign an extension just because he likes the NY nightlife. Same with Gaborik. It takes the right balance of homegrown players on ELC's, and proven veterans to build a championship caliber team. Richards or Lecavalier would without a doubt make this team a much more dangerous team. We have no centers even close to them. Some of you would rather wait 6 years and HOPE that Anisimov in 6 years is producing as much as Richards is now. But in 6 years, more holes will have opened up (such as Lundqvist, Gaborik, and who knows what happens when other players hit UFA (Dubi, Cally, Staal, DZ, etc) Nothing is a sure thing. Yes, you'd be taking a gamble trading Dubi and Anisimov, but if a guy like Richards or Lecavalier is available, you make the deal and be happy you have guys like Stepan making it possible to even consider giving up a player like Anisimov.

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Fair point. So come up with a move that makes us a contender by improving the back-end. Look at what the Flyers did getting Pronger. Everyone else slides into their proper spots and their D looks 100x better even when Prongers not on the ice because of the matchups.

It'll take more than that to make us a contender.

IMO we are #1 center, top-2 D-man and some scoring depth (solid 2nd line RW would help) away from being a contender.

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There is no trade that will make this team a contender.

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HOW TO MAKE US A CONTENDER

1. Look at the core of young players the team has
2. Don't trade that core of young players the team has
3. Continue to build to that core of young players the team has
4. THEN after the core is developed fill in the blanks with FA's

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4. THEN after the core is developed fill in the blanks with FA's
That would be part of building around the young core players.

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Fair point. So come up with a move that makes us a contender by improving the back-end. Look at what the Flyers did getting Pronger. Everyone else slides into their proper spots and their D looks 100x better even when Prongers not on the ice because of the matchups.
Deal for a top defender is going to cost too much. And the fact that we have so many good defensive prospects, it does not make sense to deal for D. Makes more sense to wait for some of our prospects to matriculate, or wait till the summer and sign UFA.

Sather is finally doing the right thing and building from our prospects and that is going to happen this year.

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Moving Dubi, Anisimov, and Rozy and bringing in a 30 yr old #1 center = blowing it all up? We'd still have Staal, DZ, Cally, Gaborik, Stepan, Girardi, McDonagh, Valentenko, Gilroy, MZA, Grachev, Kreider, Sauer, McIlrath, Bourque, Weise, Werek, Frolov, Kennedy....

It's not like we become the Islanders by trading Dubi, Ani, and Rozy... I think the 1st round pick hurts more than any of those losses, especially when a 1st line center is coming back (Lecav already signed til he's 40 (good and bad), and I think Richards would likely sign an extension to finish his career in NY playing for Torts and on a very good young team with Gaborik and Lundqvist.

The team would finally have a legit championship core in Richards, Gaborik, and Lundqvist with Staal and DZ being the stars on defense, not to mention Frolov (who I think will end up being extended as well) and a lot of young players in their proper roles as they continue to improve.

I certainly understand the perspective that we should stay the course until Drury + Rozy come off the books, or HOPE that Richards hits the FA market and we can outbid everyone else (not even a totally good thing). I'm not even necessarily 100% on the other side. But I think some of you are overreacting about trading a guy who held out and may hold out again for more money, Anisimov (who no doubt has a ton of potential), and a defenseman who has been made expendable by our young players for a legit championship caliber centerman.
A season of Brad Richards does not make us a contender, especially not at the cost of Anisimov and Dubinsky. If we trade Rozsival, our entire blue line becomes kids. I know he's not the greatest, but it's nice to have ONE solid veteran on the blueline. You're basically giving up a big chunk of our scoring depth on the wing and thinning out the blue-line for a mid-level, short-term upgrade at center.

You don't trade any of the kids right now unless you're getting back a young, proven star who'll be under team control for a large number of years. Those kinds of players are rare and hard to come by (and Lecavalier isn't one of them).

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