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09-29-2010, 06:02 PM
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Ottawas top 10 prospects

Been following this site http://premiumscouting.com/index.php...teams&Itemid=8

have been doing an overview as well as top 10 prospects for every team. Ottawas turn now... here is a Wiercioch write up

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1.) Patrick Wiercioch, Defense

Patrick Wiercioch has all the makings of an offensive defenseman. Hes a very smooth skater and moves the puck through the neutral zone with a nice, efficient stride. As he adds more bulk and power to his 64 frame he should be able to generate even more speed. Wiercioch has good offensive instincts and knows when to jump into the play as well as recognizing the open lanes. He handles the puck very well and is good at evading the first forechecker. He uses his body and long reach to protect the puck in all three zones when he has possession. Wiercioch shoots well and appears to know how to find the net. His best attribute appears to be his ability to see the developing play and quickly release an accurate pass to open teammates. Hes very calm at the point and is both creative and steady in surveying his options. Wiercioch is particularly strong at gathering loose pucks in the defensive and neutral zones and quickly transitioning the puck forward. He wastes little time in assessing the play and catching the opponent flat-footed. He makes these plays seemingly with little effort. Wiercioch defends through using his skating and footwork to gain good position on attacking forwards and maintaining gap control. Hes also able to recognize the play and step into the neutral zone to prevent passes from occurring. Wiercioch is not a physical player and is prone to being outmuscled in the corners and in front of the net. He should win more battles as he grows but does not appear to have a nasty edge to his game.
The whole thing is a pretty good read

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Link to good Report

Here is a solid writeup of some Sens prospects,

http://premiumscouting.com/index.php...teams&Itemid=8

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Here is a solid writeup of some Sens prospects,

http://premiumscouting.com/index.php...teams&Itemid=8
It's not a bad overview, although part of Lehner's piece is attached to Cowen and the look at the 2005-09 drafts is brief and incomplete. The skill ranking system they choose is a little bizarre as well--why 20-80? The criteria themselves are fine, but I don't see the advantage in making 20 the floor and 80 the ceiling.

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Really good writeup on Weircioch. When I have more time I'll finish the article.

Thanks for posting!

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I think the 20-80 system is patterened after another sport, Baseball I think. I don't really like the style really because it is really a bell curve, so nobody ever gets anything from 20-35 and 65-80.

Robin Lehner is given a 60 for goalie size for example. Now at 6foot 4 230lbs, what is a 80 for goalie size?


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Thx for digging it Fuhr. Probably one of the best and most accurate scouting report of Sens prospects I have read... Looks a lot more professional than HF reports...

Only have a problem with Jim O'Brien at 8. I'd put Mike Hoffman at this spot.

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Really enjoyed this. Thanks for finding.

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The exact same link was posted by MoreGore here: http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=824135

I'll repeat what I said there: It's not a bad overview, although part of Lehner's piece is attached to Cowen and the look at the 2005-09 drafts is brief and incomplete. The skill ranking system they choose is a little bizarre as well--why 20-80? The criteria themselves are fine, but I don't see the advantage in making 20 the floor and 80 the ceiling.

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I think the 20-80 system is patterened after another sport, Baseball I think. I don't really like the style really because it is really a bell curve, so nobody ever gets anything from 20-35 and 65-80.

Robin Lehner is given a 60 for goalie size for example. Now at 6foot 4 230lbs, what is a 80 for goalie size?
I completely agree. I don't see the point here (or with Hockey Futures) with their elite player ratings--if you never use it, what's the point in scoring "a once in a generation" guys? A simplier scoring system (however it's set-up--letters, numbers, whatever) is what's most useful to fans.

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I think the 20-80 system is patterened after another sport, Baseball I think. I don't really like the style really because it is really a bell curve, so nobody ever gets anything from 20-35 and 65-80.

Robin Lehner is given a 60 for goalie size for example. Now at 6foot 4 230lbs, what is a 80 for goalie size?
I was just coming here to post about Lehner's size.

Also, are the points they are given what they are at right now, or what they are expected they will be at?

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Wiercioch over Cowen, finally a publication that gets it.

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The exact same link was posted by MoreGore here: http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=824135

I'll repeat what I said there: It's not a bad overview, although part of Lehner's piece is attached to Cowen and the look at the 2005-09 drafts is brief and incomplete. The skill ranking system they choose is a little bizarre as well--why 20-80? The criteria themselves are fine, but I don't see the advantage in making 20 the floor and 80 the ceiling.
He posted 2hrs after me...

I liked the scouting reports... the number rankings and organization overview cared less about.

Solid scouting reports are great

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amazing stuff. Most original and in depth prospect write up Ive ever seen. Grant and Silfverberg in the top ten, Wick out of it... Good stuff! Only thing i would change is Zach Smith in Obrien's spot and Cowen in the number one spot.

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Wiercioch over Cowen, finally a publication that gets it.
I know you're just trying to troll, but no.

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Not sure about that.

I think I prefer a grading system that is based on a ... yeash, I forget the term now... but it basically places the numbers equally in all the groups. Ie 25% of players are in each of the 4 groups, or 20% in 5 groups. The Bell curve method placed on top of a limited grading system means that you never assign the end values, and thus prospects look very similar.

From X prospect pool, John Smith, 7.0C... yeash

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I was interested to see Wiercioch's "shot" grade being the same as Petersson's. Petersson has an absolute laser. I have not seen that much of Wiercioch but I have never seen his shot as being on that level.

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This site is new but from what I've seen thus far I've been really impressed. These draft rankings were excellent imo:

http://premiumscouting.com/index.php...&id=2&Itemid=3


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