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10-01-2010, 03:52 AM
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Rangers might be interested in Souray on re-entry waivers

Where would Souray fit...?

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On a day when Rangers coach John Tortorella pulled back from his planned full practice regimen on the advice of trainer Jim Ramsey and conditioning coach Reg Grant:

* In Edmonton, the Oilers placed Sheldon Souray on waivers. Though the Rangers have no desire to inherit the 34-year old defenseman's full $5.4 million cap hit for the next two years by claiming him, general manager Glen Sather would have keen interest in the power-play bomber from the point should the Oilers place Souray on re-entry waivers, The Post has learned.

Under that scenario, the Blueshirts only would be hit with a $2.7 million cap charge by getting Souray via re-entry, splitting both his annual cap hit and his $4.5 million salary with the Oilers.

There are, however, two obstacles confronting Sather. First, the Oilers have no immediate plan to place Souray on re-entry, assuming he clears. Second, the Blueshirts would have the 10th claim on re-entry, making it unlikely that he would get through to that pick, with Columbus at No. 4 believed prepared to pounce unless ownership won't make the investment.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/range...#ixzz115iztsgb


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id take him on re-entry for sure. that bomb at the point is worth 2.7 mil even if you only play him on the PP. but i dont know how you make the cap hit work though.

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Ive always liked him...hes one of those guys that when he plays the Rangers it seems he ALWAYS scores goals from the point with his rocket shot, but he is getting old and I'm sure edmonton knows what they are doing. I like what we have so I would say avoid it, but then again, I'm no pro scout.

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What a surprise! NYR and probably half of the other teams in the NHL would take a chance on Souray at half the cap hit.

I think even the least adept hockey minds could have deduced that.

Edit: Also, I know it is pre-season, and John is just testing everything he has to work with, but Prospal should not be centering the top line. He is definitely at his most productive with Gaborik it seems, but he should be a wing on a second or third line, imo.

I guess we'll see how they play.

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I would not doubt the interest one bit. The only question is if Sather has some trades lined up to open up space.

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Souray is 34 years old. He's had a lot of injuries. He can be an adventure in his own end of the ice. He's a pwp specialist--bottom pairing defenseman. I can see the Rangers grabbing him if given the opportunity but there are also reasons not to.

I'm uncertain about the Oilers perspective. They could just bury him like we're doing with Redden. The cap hit might not be so much of a concern as the actual money being paid. According to Capgeek he's a $5.4 mil cap hit but he's actually owed $4.5 mil for the next two seasons. A team picking him up on re-entry waivers has to have room for $2.7 mil cap hit but will actually pay him $2.25 mil in salary over the next two years. A smaller market team with cap room might realistically pick him up.

Back to the Rangers situation--it very likely would kill Sauer's chances to ever make the team. I think this is his real last chance with us. Might also be Gilroy's ticket out of town or to the minors. Positionally Souray's not really an upgrade over the younger Gilroy. It might set back Valentenko as well. Picking him up is going to cost at least one or two of these guys and IMHO they all have had a good pre-season.

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Souray is 34 years old. He's had a lot of injuries. He can be an adventure in his own end of the ice. He's a pwp specialist--bottom pairing defenseman. I can see the Rangers grabbing him if given the opportunity but there are also reasons not to.

I'm uncertain about the Oilers perspective. They could just bury him like we're doing with Redden. The cap hit might not be so much of a concern as the actual money being paid. According to Capgeek he's a $5.4 mil cap hit but he's actually owed $4.5 mil for the next two seasons. A team picking him up on re-entry waivers has to have room for $2.7 mil cap hit but will actually pay him $2.25 mil in salary over the next two years. A smaller market team with cap room might realistically pick him up.

Back to the Rangers situation--it very likely would kill Sauer's chances to ever make the team. I think this is his real last chance with us. Might also be Gilroy's ticket out of town or to the minors. Positionally Souray's not really an upgrade over the younger Gilroy. It might set back Valentenko as well. Picking him up is going to cost at least one or two of these guys and IMHO they all have had a good pre-season.


Maybe Sather deals Roszy???? You never know with the Cigar chomping ding bat.

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Send White down and I'm pretty sure the Rangers would easily have space

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This discussion is pointless. There's no way he makes it to us on reentry. And as it's been pointed out, he has alot of downside, he's suspect defensively, and he gets injured alot. I'd rather keep a combination of Sauer, Valentenko, and McDonagh rotating than bring Souray into the mix. The three kids are part of the long term solution here, Souray is a flashy, big name bandaid.

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Yeah, I agree. No way he makes it to #10 @ 1/2 his cap hit.

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No point in bringing him in. It's not like the Rangers' youngsters vying for a spot have crapped the bed. If this season is about building and adding to the young core, (as per Tortorella), adding Souray is pointless.

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Yeah, the idea is ok but I don't think it's practical now with the solid training camps of Sauer, Tank, and McD. Rather let those guys get some NHL experience so they can replace the likes of Roszival when his contract expires (And possibly be ready for Top Four minutes when that happens). Not to mention that it could make Girardi trade bait if at least two of them develop as well.

I'm not advocating trading Girardi, but if the right deal popped up for an upgrade up front, it would make it easier to deal him if he was asked for in the trade as well as open up some cap space for the likely more expensive player coming back in the trade.

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Brooks has written about the Rangers alleged interest in Souray a couple of times and then either doesn't follow up or writes the Rangers did not have interest in Souray. Columbus is not taking Souray on re-entry unless they can dump salary. That's been reported in the Columbus Post Dispatch. Is Souray really going to make the Rangers much better at this stage of his career? He had zero PPG last season which was cut short by injuries which is another issue with Souray. The FUBAR thread was based on the Rangers alleged interest in Souray last winter. Help the PP when he has zero PPG and he should get 10 PPG by accident with his shot. Age,injuries and big contract. Sounds like a perfect Ranger.

How much of the latest report on Souray is his agent Paul Theofanous(NYC based) attempting to drum up any interest in his client? If you believe what Bob McKenzie and Darren Dreger have reported on twitter,there is basically no market for Souray. $9 million in real money left. $4.5 million-re-entry.

Yeah the Rangers could fit the $2.7 million in the cap but its going to cost a young player on a spot on D and the Rangers will be bumping up against the upper limit for most of the season and they will have to carry 21 players.

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“We know we have to make a decision by the time we give our opening roster,” he told 630 CHED. “You could take a roster spot and not play him but that’s not what we want to do. We want to see if we make a trade happen — if it’s something that will help the Oilers. We’re not going to anything that won’t help us financially or by way of a player acquisition.

“If not, we’ll have to assign him to the minors.”
Read more: http://www.edmontonjournal.com/sports/Edmonton puts Souray Gerber waivers/3603911/story.html#ixzz116VvUUwV

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Souray would get to 10th on re-entry waivers. Columbus isn't taking him unless they can dump salary.

Boston has their own cap issues.
Florida,Islanders,TB,Carolina and Atlanta aren't taking him.
Minnesota has no cap space and too many vets on D already.

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Maybe Sather deals Roszy???? You never know with the Cigar chomping ding bat.
that could be a move

pick up souray to pair with mdz on the pp

and trade rozi for another asset

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Souray would get to 10th on re-entry waivers. Columbus isn't taking him unless they can dump salary.

Boston has their own cap issues.
Florida,Islanders,TB,Carolina and Atlanta aren't taking him.
Minnesota has no cap space and too many vets on D already.
I would think the Isles take that shot with the Streit injury.

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I would think the Isles take that shot with the Streit injury.
The Islanders are going to add payroll when they are already at the floor?

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Souray would get to 10th on re-entry waivers. Columbus isn't taking him unless they can dump salary.

Boston has their own cap issues.
Florida,Islanders,TB,Carolina and Atlanta aren't taking him.
Minnesota has no cap space and too many vets on D already.
Don't you mean Toronto? I know the Bruins own the Maple Leafs' draft picks, but, was wavier position also in the Kessel deal? Not that, given the overcrowded nature of the Leafs' blueline they'd be interested in Souray anyway.

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At $2.7m, it would be a good move to make this team better this season. Of course it would mean that one of out d-men doesn't make the team, but Souray adds an absolute cannon of a shot to the PP, if healthy (which remains a valid concern). He's also motivated to prove his detractors wrong. It'd be a low risk-high reward move. If claimed, I think the D-pairs would look like this:

Staal -Rozsival
DZ - Girardi
McDonagh or Valentenko - Souray
Gilroy or Sauer or Eminger

Del Zotto and Souray on the PP point would be a thing of beauty.

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I can certainly understand taking him at that salary but I think he should only take a spot if Rozsival is traded. Souray should replace that spot. jas and UAGoalieGuy make excellent points. I want Sauer, Valentenko, or McDonagh to get a shot at the 6th spot. I am already bummed that 2 of those 3 are likely AHL bound but whatever is best for their development.

Also, what does it say to a youngster who busts his but to make it to the NHL, finally has a shot to make it, and then the team brings in a veteran the last week of pre-season.

As good as Fedotenko is playing, players like Dane Byers or Dale Weise must feel a little deflated that he being brought in likely took up the roster spot they were working for.

I love some of our youth right now and I wouldn't want a situation where there is discontent because of the lack of opportunity.

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I can certainly understand taking him at that salary but I think he should only take a spot if Rozsival is traded. Souray should replace that spot. jas and UAGoalieGuy make excellent points. I want Sauer, Valentenko, or McDonagh to get a shot at the 6th spot. I am already bummed that 2 of those 3 are likely AHL bound but whatever is best for their development.

Also, what does it say to a youngster who busts his but to make it to the NHL, finally has a shot to make it, and then the team brings in a veteran the last week of pre-season.

As good as Fedotenko is playing, players like Dane Byers or Dale Weise must feel a little deflated that he being brought in likely took up the roster spot they were working for.

I love some of our youth right now and I wouldn't want a situation where there is discontent because of the lack of opportunity.
Byers and Weise did not come close to earning the spot in training camp. Fedotenko did. That is not a case of the players not being given a chance to earn the spot, it's a chance of the players failing to earn the spot.

The defense situation is a little different. However, Valentenko and McDonagh were never both going to make the team. It was a one or the other proposition (because they're both LD and too young to make it as the 7th d-man when they can eat big minutes in Hartford). Sauer is a different situation, but even then, the Rangers very well could be sending him to Hartford/trading him regardless of Souray.

The player most likely affected by this is Eminger/Sauer. Souray slots into the top 6, the former #6 d-man (I'm assuming it will be Gilroy, but it may be Sauer) slides down to #7, and Sauer/Eminger lose their spot. I'd be sad to see Sauer lose a spot, but I'm not sure he's going to get the #7 spot anyway.

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Don't you mean Toronto? I know the Bruins own the Maple Leafs' draft picks, but, was wavier position also in the Kessel deal? Not that, given the overcrowded nature of the Leafs' blueline they'd be interested in Souray anyway.
Yes. Toronto.

Was looking at the 2010 draft for the order.

The Leafs are in bad cap spot.

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We already have enough guys vying 5-7 spots why do we need 1 more? Unless you can trade Rozi and replace him with Souray this doesn't make sense at all.

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I agree. Lets have McDonagh and Valentenko fight for a spot all camp, only to give it away to this scrub who doesn't play defense and had 4 goals last year.

Good "earn your spot" mentality.

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