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10-03-2010, 10:07 AM
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oh man he better make it through edmonton, because I would think Burke would most definetly take him
Don't worry, we're claiming him.

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10-03-2010, 10:08 AM
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Panthers sign Peters

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Seriously, that's just....wow.

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Wow, I'd expect they could at least get a 2nd or 3rd for him.
Yea, I had the same reaction. I mean, this is just not good asset management by Florida, if indeed he does get claimed off waivers.

What is the harm in keeping a young guy with potential on your roster when you aren't winning anything this year anyway? I understand wanting to let the best players play, and that Grabner has obviously not impressed management in the preseason but...

This is just weird.

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Wow, I'd expect they could at least get a 2nd or 3rd for him. It'l be interesting to see how quickly he is snapped up
It always takes 24hrs, doesn't it?

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10-03-2010, 10:09 AM
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What a joke, awful move.

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Seriously, that's just....wow.
It's what? ... my team in a nutshell? Yep.

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10-03-2010, 10:10 AM
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He was -6, 2 scoring chances, 0 points, in 4 or 5 pre-season games. Absolutely brutal as far as I've read.

And as for his offensive potential he hasn't even dominated the AHL yet. After three seasons. Guys like Jannik Hansen, Jeff Tambellini, even Kevin Bieksa (defenseman) have shown more scoring ability after one or two seasons in the AHL.
It's still not good asset management for a rebuilding team.

If Grabner was so brutal, then why include him in the Ballard trade in the first place? Hell, if they lose him for nothing, they could have just gotten an extra pick thrown into the Ballard deal or something, which is better than nothing, which is what they get for Grabner if someone claims him.

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It always takes 24hrs, doesn't it?
I meant in terms of how early he gets picked up in the waiver wire order

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10-03-2010, 10:10 AM
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Mandatory reading for some on here that seem to think Grabner is such an amazing prospect: http://www.behindthenethockey.com/20...ade-on-michael

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It's still not good asset management for a rebuilding team.

If Grabner was so brutal, then why include him in the Ballard trade in the first place? Hell, if they lose him for nothing, they could have just gotten an extra pick thrown into the Ballard deal or something, which is better than nothing, which is what they get for Grabner if someone claims him.
I thought it was a good deal for us (Canucks) at the time... but hey you're talking to someone who has been on the trade Grabner bandwagon for over two years now, when people were still putting him ahead of Mason Raymond on the depth chart.

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10-03-2010, 10:11 AM
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If Shero put in a claim for Chris Bourque he should definitely put one in for Grabner though I doubt he makes it to us.

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If they could've gotten a draft pick, they would've.

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My first reaction was, What the hell?

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10-03-2010, 10:14 AM
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If they could've gotten a draft pick, they would've.
So keep him on your roster if you can't get a pick and hope he accumulates value, rather than just throwing away an asset?

The Panthers are rebuilding. You don't waive 23 year old former 1st round picks when you are in their situation.

Maybe they get lucky and no one claims him, but that's awful dicey asset management.

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So keep him on your roster if you can't get a pick and hope he accumulates value, rather than just throwing away an asset?

The Panthers are rebuilding. You don't waive 23 year old former 1st round picks when you are in their situation.

Maybe they get lucky and no one claims him, but that's awful dicey asset management.
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Does he have to enter re-entry waivers if they want to bring him back up?

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10-03-2010, 10:16 AM
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So keep him on your roster if you can't get a pick and hope he accumulates value, rather than just throwing away an asset?

The Panthers are rebuilding. You don't waive 23 year old former 1st round picks when you are in their situation.

Maybe they get lucky and no one claims him, but that's awful dicey asset management.
He's taking up a roster spot so where do you play him? You can't sit him out and he's not Bottom 6 material, what-so-ever (lose you games single-handedly bad in bottom 6). He also hasn't shown to be Top 6 as he failed to make an impact, not only that he had team-worst +/-, no points, and very few scoring chances.

What do you do with him? He's basically going to lose you games by himself... and he's likely not going to improve because his confidence will shatter quickly.

While I agree that this is bad management, in my opinion it was bad management to trade for him in the first place. I'm not quite sure what you can do with him now — he's so clearly not NHL ready.

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So keep him on your roster if you can't get a pick and hope he accumulates value, rather than just throwing away an asset?

The Panthers are rebuilding. You don't waive 23 year old former 1st round picks when you are in their situation.

Maybe they get lucky and no one claims him, but that's awful dicey asset management.
Or they could ice the best roster possible in an effort to, you know, win some hockey games.

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Mandatory reading for some on here that seem to think Grabner is such an amazing prospect: http://www.behindthenethockey.com/20...ade-on-michael



I thought it was a good deal for us (Canucks) at the time... but hey you're talking to someone who has been on the trade Grabner bandwagon for over two years now, when people were still putting him ahead of Mason Raymond on the depth chart.
I never said he was an amazing prospect, but he IS an asset. You just don't waive guys like that in the situation Florida is in. The Panthers aren't the Canucks, and they aren't contenders.

Keep the kind on the roster and hope he finds his game and ups his value. What the hell is the harm for Florida?

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10-03-2010, 10:18 AM
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Why didn't they send him down when they had the chance, before the waiver period?

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He's taking up a roster spot so where do you play him? You can't sit him out and he's not Bottom 6 material, what-so-ever (lose you games single-handedly bad in bottom 6). He also hasn't shown to be Top 6 as he failed to make an impact, not only that he had team-worst +/-, no points, and very few scoring chances.

What do you do with him? He's basically going to lose you games by himself... and he's likely not going to improve because his confidence will shatter.
Take a look at Florida's roster. They are gonna lose alot of games anyway. They are REBUILDING.

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Or they could ice the best roster possible in an effort to, you know, win some hockey games.
Look at the roster. They aren't winning ****, with or without Michael Grabner. It's not smart asset management, no matter how you slice it.

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So keep him on your roster if you can't get a pick and hope he accumulates value, rather than just throwing away an asset?

The Panthers are rebuilding. You don't waive 23 year old former 1st round picks when you are in their situation.

Maybe they get lucky and no one claims him, but that's awful dicey asset management.
23 year old former 1st round picks still have to earn their roster spots.

Lol @ some of the posts in this thread. "I HOPE ME TEAM CLAIMZ HIM!!!!!1" If he couldn't get a roster spot on a team like Florida, why would he on any other team?

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He won't be claimed.

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23 year old former 1st round picks still have to earn their roster spots.
That's a game you can play if you're a contender, or if that former 1st round pick is waiver exempt. Florida is simply not in a position to do this, imo.

Again, I understand the sentiment, but not in the current situation the Panthers are in. That's not how you manage assets as a rebuilding team.

Whatever, I'm just glad the Philly organization isn't run the same way.

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Just don't get it. Why not waive Olesz. No1 would picked him up

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Just don't get it. Why not waive Olesz. No1 would picked him up
I like Rusty!

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What do you do with him? He's basically going to lose you games by himself... and he's likely not going to improve because his confidence will shatter quickly.

While I agree that this is bad management, in my opinion it was bad management to trade for him in the first place.
What are you writing here? Grabners 2-way game has improved significantly within the last years. He was playing some good hockey in Vancouver last year before the injury. He needs to work on his consistency but the potential is there.

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