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10-04-2010, 02:14 PM
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I noticed him more then Carcillo. He has a terrible shot and hands (well they both do), but he is ussually involved on the pk and forechecking while being able to keep up with his teammates skating wise. I think defensively he would help Giroux and Zherdev more then Carcillo could.
There is absolutely nothing in the history of either player to warrant that statement.



Yes, I know that Nodl's sample size is small but when he played 35 games he was just as horrible.

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10-04-2010, 02:16 PM
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Atleast Nodl has been able to stay in every game...during preseason lol.

Carcillo just 2 game misconducts.... during preseason... it isnt even the season yet and he needs 1 more game misconduct before he is suspended YET again. The dude gets suspended more then any other guy I know. Yea, maybe the refs hate him, but it doesnt mater since they control the game. Them hating him hurts us.
Meh.... it's not like PP goals were scored whe he took penalties and I am not sure it counts being suspended in preseason. Does it?

When Carcillo was hitting guys were going down plus he does create space and he scored some points.

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There is absolutely nothing in the history of either player to warrant that statement.



Yes, I know that Nodl's sample size is small but when he played 35 games he was just as horrible.
You gotta look who these guys are playing with though. Carcillo played with Mike Richards and Simon Gagne, while Nodl played with f'ing Jared Ross and Laliberte, maybe getting some time with Betts.

One also plays on the pk while the other one doesnt. Come on, you really think Carcillo is a better defense player then Nodl is?

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The thing we have to trust with Nodl, is that unlike the two years ago, we have a coach who knows how to coach, and will put Nodl in places where there is less chances for him to fail.

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10-04-2010, 02:21 PM
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Meh.... it's not like PP goals were scored whe he took penalties and I am not sure it counts being suspended in preseason. Does it?

When Carcillo was hitting guys were going down plus he does create space and he scored some points.
Marc-Andre Bourdon was 5th on our team in points, beating out Mike Richards. Im not really to keen on taking preseason points too highly

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10-04-2010, 02:25 PM
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Marc-Andre Bourdon was 5th on our team in points, beating out Mike Richards. Im not really to keen on taking preseason points too highly
It's not like Carcillo was a scoring machine but Nodl was ****ing up all plays..

In the past Carcillo proved that he can keep it under control, did Nodl show that he can score on NHL level?

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One also plays on the pk while the other one doesnt. Come on, you really think Carcillo is a better defense player then Nodl is?
Nodl played against weaker competition than Carcillo did. Yes, he often played with Richards but what kind of players did the other team have going against Richards? Do you think they are the same quality as the ones going against Nodl?

I could tell you what I think but I'd rather tell you what I know: Teams score more frequently against Nodl than they do Carcillo.

In addition, Carcillo helps this team score by putting them on the PP at an insane rate. Also, those 2 minute PPs generally prevent the other team from having a quality scoring chance.

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I'm not a big Nodl fan but I'm also not a Guerin fan. Nodl was the best in camp of the guys trying to get the 13th spot so I'm glad he got it. At least it shows that camp meant something.

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So I'm curious how everyone sees our lines for opening night.

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Nodl played against weaker competition than Carcillo did. Yes, he often played with Richards but what kind of players did the other team have going against Richards? Do you think they are the same quality as the ones going against Nodl?

I could tell you what I think but I'd rather tell you what I know: Teams score more frequently against Nodl than they do Carcillo.

In addition, Carcillo helps this team score by putting them on the PP at an insane rate. Also, those 2 minute PPs generally prevent the other team from having a quality scoring chance.
Yea see though, Carcillo does face them on even strength time, BUT Nodl also faced their top PP units which consisted of these same players. I think I'd take Nodl's 13 or so minutes with AHL linemates against NHL players and around 2+ minutes of PK time against the other teams top players vs Carcillo's 10 or so minutes of pure even strength time. Im pretty sure Gagne and Richards were doing most of the defensive work, while Nodl, with Ross and Laliberte was doing most of the defensive work.

Your gonna wear out our top guys by not having another PK guy in there. Lappy isnt going to play, meaning those 4 or so minutes are gonna be added to Richards. Also Gagne isnt here, so there are also more pk minutes that needed to be added. You need a guy like Nodl to take some of the load off. Carcillo isnt going to play on the pk.

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wonder if the guy to be that 3rd line winger isnt on the roster at this time?

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It's not like Carcillo was a scoring machine but Nodl was ****ing up all plays..

In the past Carcillo proved that he can keep it under control, did Nodl show that he can score on NHL level?
He cant score at an NHl level but here Ill show you a debate I had with a blogger on Nodl. Funny thing is, I was on the side saying Nodl cant play higher then the 4th line.

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As far as Nodl goes, I’m an admitted fan. As far as his offensive game, I covered why he is perceived the way he is earlier. In a sentence: He isn’t asked to score in the AHL, nor has he been asked to score in the NHL, as evidenced by his 78 shots in 65 games for the Phantoms and 2 shots in 10 games for the Flyers. Despite that, he still scored 14 goals for the Phantoms, 3rd most on the team (Both players ahead of him took at least twice as many shots).
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To me, having the Flyers as a team record a 1.02 shooting percentage while Nodl and Carter are on the ice is incredibly, unequivocally unlucky. Jeff Carter, a career 10.9% shooter at the NHL level, alone should have been good for at least 8 more goals during that time. Nodl, meanwhile, is a 14.8% shooter at the AHL level, who is a career 2.9% shooter at the NHL level. Simply put, those numbers are unsustainably low, and indicative of Andreas Nodl being unlucky.
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When Nodl and Carter were on the ice together, the Flyers recorded 98 shots on goal. Only one of them went in. That's good for a 1.02% shooting percentage. For a frame of reference, that same year, 9.5% of the shots fired when Carter was on the ice went in. So, Nodl played 29 games with Jeff Carter, and the duo only scored one goal on 98 shots. That is a ratio that could not possibly be sustained over the course of a year, yet this is a big reason why people think Nodl failed in his NHL opportunity. Instead...
http://philly.sbnation.com/2010/9/9/...s-andreas-nodl

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Nodl has shown no offensive upside. His defensive liabilities have been exposed. I just don't see how he should make it over Carcillo, even if Carcillo is a hot head. He plays with a lot of passion, energy, and enthusiasm.

I just don't see where people are getting that Nodl is a Flyers-ready player.

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10-04-2010, 03:33 PM
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Nodl doesn't deserve a spot on this team. His offensive skills are zero, they're actually negative. Not only does he not do anything, he kills plays. He's average defensively and is a little physical.

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Nodl has shown no offensive upside. His defensive liabilities have been exposed. I just don't see how he should make it over Carcillo, even if Carcillo is a hot head. He plays with a lot of passion, energy, and enthusiasm.

I just don't see where people are getting that Nodl is a Flyers-ready player.
From his play in the playoffs, when he stepped right in as a fill-in for Lappy, did a great job on the PK and in a 4th line checking role?

Nodl will be the perfect guy to platoon with Shelley as a 4th line winger. They can split the year and let Powe-Betts stay together as a PK unit too.

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So I'm curious how everyone sees our lines for opening night.
JVR-Carter-Zherdev
Carcillo-Richards-Giroux
Hartnell-Briere-Leino
Shelley-Betts-Powe

Meszaros-Timonen
Carle-Coburn
Bartulis-O'Donnell

Maybe? I can't see Pronger playing on Thurs, we'll have to see.

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Beautiful slap shot by carcillo over Miller's shoulder.

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From his play in the playoffs, when he stepped right in as a fill-in for Lappy, did a great job on the PK and in a 4th line checking role?

Nodl will be the perfect guy to platoon with Shelley as a 4th line winger. They can split the year and let Powe-Betts stay together as a PK unit too.
You mean when he took over for Lappy against the PP-specialist Habs?

When Michael Leighton is laying down 3 shutouts against your team in the playoffs, I think any player could look great on the PK and checking line.

This preseason has shown Nodl for what he is (or perhaps more accurately, what he is not).

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Both Backlund and Laliberte assigned to Adirondack

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Yea see though, Carcillo does face them on even strength time, BUT Nodl also faced their top PP units which consisted of these same players. I think I'd take Nodl's 13 or so minutes with AHL linemates against NHL players and around 2+ minutes of PK time against the other teams top players vs Carcillo's 10 or so minutes of pure even strength time.
You've never looked at his TOI stats.

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JVR-Carter-Zherdev
Carcillo-Richards-Giroux
Hartnell-Briere-Leino
Shelley-Betts-Powe

Meszaros-Timonen
Carle-Coburn
Bartulis-O'Donnell

Maybe? I can't see Pronger playing on Thurs, we'll have to see.
I can see that being a possibility. Swap Carter and Giroux and you pretty much have my guess as well. I also wouldn't be surprised to see Bart sit and Walker play.

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Honestly, if Carcillo is doing enough stupid ****, I wouldn't doubt if Lavy asks for him to get waived.

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Grabner>Nodl, so I'd approve of the claim if it were to happen.

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Thats a freaking awesome reason actually if you think about it. What is the reason you want to keep him exactly?

What exactly is the point of carrying a 29 year old goalie on your AHL roster (and starting him no less) when you have a glut of goalie prospects who could benefit from AHL starts?
Wow. To win games, perhaps? To provide competition to the other goalies in the system? The fact he had a good showing in the AHL last year?

If Bobrovsky can't beat him to the starter spot, he shouldn't get given it.

Besides, 29 isn't actually that old for a European goalie who didn't go through the CHL or US developmental leagues. I'm not calling him a NHL starting prospect, but he serves a purpose.

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