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10-06-2010, 05:59 PM
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Can you back any of this up??
After his trade from Anaheim to Tampa Bay he slagged his former coach.

“No disrespect to the way Randy Carlyle coaches, that’s just not me,” O’Brien told Whicker.”I never really felt like I was doing anything, just chipping it out … In Anaheim, for me and my partner, it was chip it out, put it off the glass. They didn’t really want us jumping in at all.”

His lack of discipline got O’Brien in trouble with Torts in Tampa Bay.


“Why was O’Brien benched the final five games of the season?” Cristodero continued. “In coach John Tortorella’s eyes, he was making the same mistakes over and over. He also lost a small bit of control over his weight, came in one day a couple pounds over his prescribed weight. Both things combined got him benched. O’Brien said the air is clear after Monday’s meetings, but he won’t forget the embarrassment of being benched.

‘Fuel for the fire,’ he said.”



http://crashingthegoalie.com/2009/02...-his-own-fire/

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10-06-2010, 07:02 PM
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"I wish I got a little fairer shake in camp. I only played three exhibition games, all on the road, and we flew the day of the game on two of them. And - no disrespect to the players we had in those games - but the three games I played we were nowhere near an NHL-calibre roster. It was the icing on the cake for my career here in Vancouver."


I really hope he doesn't bring this poor attitude to Nashville with him.

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10-06-2010, 08:13 PM
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I'd pair O'Brien with Klein.

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10-07-2010, 12:23 AM
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SOB = Solid, IF AND ONLY IF, he is tamed, and controlled.

If he goes all "SOB" like, he is going to anger a lot of nashville fans.

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10-07-2010, 01:54 AM
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I think the root of the problem with O'Brien is that he thinks of himself too highly. He doesn't realize that he is most successful playing a safe, physical, defensive game. O'Brien thinks he should be doing more than that. He thinks he should be getting top 4 minutes and be on the PP etc.

As you can grasp from his comments, he had a problem being a #5 Dman. You can have 4 guys who are clearly better than him and O'Brien will find a way to think he's better. With that said, he is a solid #5 Dman and certainly has the talent to develop into a solid #4 Dman. The problem is that he thinks the world of himself.

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10-07-2010, 02:32 AM
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The good news for Obrien is Trotz is probably the best coach in the league at taking journeyman dmen and turning them into serviceable guys (Zanon, Eaton, Boillion come to mind).

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10-07-2010, 07:12 AM
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Fans have been smiling about our young defensive depth for several years or more now. But behind an excellent top pair we begin the season with the favorite whipping boy (Klein) who many feel makes many mistakes and is not improving very quickly. We have an old career third liner (Bouillon) as his partner. We have a young guy who scored well his first year (Franson) but is deemed defensively slow of foot and a career third liner or PP specialist at best by the fans. And now to "strengthen" the defense we add a third pair man who is renowned as being a head case and difficult to manage. Some wealth of riches on the defensive side... (Although the best top pairing in the league IS a pretty good thing!)

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it might be worth noting that many penalties were dished out simply because it was Obie. he was a marked man in officials' eyes. as soon as they saw his number 55 they were ready to call something, anything. fans, media, coaches all knew this and discussed it. i believe there were discussions between gillis and league officials about it.
Great, with Tootoo getting the same treatment, the Preds won't be able to compete at all without going to the box.

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10-07-2010, 08:26 AM
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I just hope this doesn't cause our penalties per game to increase dramatically. If that happens and both of our special teams don't improve we'll lose 5-10 more games easily.

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Fans have been smiling about our young defensive depth for several years or more now. But behind an excellent top pair we begin the season with the favorite whipping boy (Klein) who many feel makes many mistakes and is not improving very quickly. We have an old career third liner (Bouillon) as his partner. We have a young guy who scored well his first year (Franson) but is deemed defensively slow of foot and a career third liner or PP specialist at best by the fans. And now to "strengthen" the defense we add a third pair man who is renowned as being a head case and difficult to manage. Some wealth of riches on the defensive side... (Although the best top pairing in the league IS a pretty good thing!)
This is why I don't understand the trade. We already have one known headcase in SK why get another? I thought Parent and Franson were a good pair and were originally drafted together to be a pair for us. Not to mention, Trotz has never wanted our guys to be physical and "take care of business". Do I need to remind everyone of the travesty that the 06-07 series with SJ was? I'm not sure what they are putting in the coffee at the Bridge but it needs to stop.

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SOB wont be a problem, Trotz and Poile wont put up with it. He will be happy or he wont play.

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SOB wont be a problem, Trotz and Poile wont put up with it. He will be happy or he wont play.
This.

We have enough depth that if this move becomes a mistake SOB will find his way to the pressbox with belak or even to Milwaukee.

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10-07-2010, 12:27 PM
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This is why I don't understand the trade. We already have one known headcase in SK why get another? I thought Parent and Franson were a good pair and were originally drafted together to be a pair for us. Not to mention, Trotz has never wanted our guys to be physical and "take care of business". Do I need to remind everyone of the travesty that the 06-07 series with SJ was? I'm not sure what they are putting in the coffee at the Bridge but it needs to stop.
two months later and a training camp where the coaching staff had nothing but good things to say about SK's attitude and work habits, and you're still grinding that axe...

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This.

We have enough depth that if this move becomes a mistake SOB will find his way to the pressbox with belak or even to Milwaukee.
And a cash strapped team is OK with having 1.6m dman in the minors?

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We might have to be ok with it, but it would also have to be a pretty bad situation I think. Obviously a trade would be the ideal first option. We'll have to cross that bridge if we get to it, though.

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And a cash strapped team is OK with having 1.6m dman in the minors?
Well the trade for O'Brien was for equal salary. So it's not like we took on anything there. If he becomes a disruption and has to be waived or sat he can be replaced by Johnson(who comes cheap) or Blum or Josi who are on ELC's. That's not a huge financial risk.

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Trading O'Brien will be a fantasy if he fails here. He'll be untradable. No sense even thinking that's a possibility if things don't work out. He'd better play well.

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What are we really risking here? SOB is in a contract year and he has to know he's left 2 places on not-the-best terms and needs to behave. If he comes in and plays the way people say he is capable of, we get a gritty defender with size that can play 15-18 mins a game. If he comes in with an attitude, we play Sulzer or Johnson. For the future, we have a pipeline full of good prospects and current guys signed to contracts of varying lengths, staggering out when they'll be leaving (assuming we get Weber and Suter on long-term deals).

Just don't see a whole lotta' risk; slight drop-off in play (maybe) from Parent to Sulzer/Johnson for this year and one of those kids at Milwaukee that would have played behind Parent for a year has to play more next?

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I never think it's impossible to unload any player any more. After the contract Mason was given and his nearly immediate failure as a starting goalie I thought he was untradeable. The same goes for an aging Arnott and his soft head. I do think it would be difficult to get rid of O'Brien if he burns out here though.

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Dustin Boyd gets Montreal's first goal of the season. And yes I will continue to grind the SK axe until he proves to be an asset to this team.

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Dustin Boyd gets Montreal's first goal of the season. And yes I will continue to grind the SK axe until he proves to be an asset to this team.
I'm still skeptical about SK too, so you are not alone. But I'd rather see him in real action before passing judgement. SK is going in the right direction, but he still has a ways to go before he sheds his negative label.

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I'm still skeptical about SK too, so you are not alone. But I'd rather see him in real action before passing judgement. SK is going in the right direction, but he still has a ways to go before he sheds his negative label.
Here's my take on SK.

Everyone deserves a second chance.

Right now, he's trying very hard to fit in with this team and earn his way onto the ice. From a skill standpoint, there's no comparison between Kostitsyn and Boyd (or Ward for that matter). He has top six skill.

As long as he continues to work very hard for Trotz and this team, I prefer to give him the benefit of the doubt.

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You can't be a media problem if there is no media to cover you. Seriously. He's going from a Canadian team where 8 billion cameras are shoved into your face every night to Nashville where he might be lucky to see maybe ONE camera and 8 billion bloggers who might just buy him a beer after the game at Toosie's.

He's going from an environment where the media has a degree in proctology and wraps there instruments in razor wire to the Nashville media where they perfected 'Who are you and what is this hockey thing?'

As much as we as fans whine about the lack of coverage, Nashville is using it as a selling point. A place where the taxes are low, the media is non existent, and you can be 'human'. To be honest, if the Country music stars, Titans, ETC can walk down the street and not be bothered what' s a hockey player going to see? Hell, HE might be doing the star watching here.

SK and SOB pure and simple have gone to a place where they expect you to play hockey. Not be a CEO, not be a spokesman, just be yourself and play hockey.

Who WOULDN'T want that?
So playing in the hockey hotbeds of Anaheim and Tampa really devloped him into a top D-man. This trade has bad mojo all over it. He's the same age as Weber, Suter, & Klein and this is his 4th NHL stop (with the 3 prior ending in a "don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out") Beginning to wonder about Poile as a GM questionable trades recently. Drafting has been a OK but Fenton handles most of that BTW.`

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Here's my take on SK.

Everyone deserves a second chance.

Right now, he's trying very hard to fit in with this team and earn his way onto the ice. From a skill standpoint, there's no comparison between Kostitsyn and Boyd (or Ward for that matter). He has top six skill.

As long as he continues to work very hard for Trotz and this team, I prefer to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Worth noting that "slacker" Kostitsyn participated in full practice today, despite a fractured toe, and was going full bore on it. Having been through that myself, I know the pain he's gritting through.

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Worth noting that "slacker" Kostitsyn participated in full practice today, despite a fractured toe, and was going full bore on it. Having been through that myself, I know the pain he's gritting through.
Do we think he is going to get into the lineup when healthy? I assume they are in no rush. Who would he supplant?

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