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10-10-2010, 03:41 PM
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Oh hello, its the Kippersoff ****up 2.0

Watch him goto the west and own our ass in the playoffs

seriously DW... I hate you.

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10-10-2010, 03:43 PM
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Well it's nice that Thomas will get a chance to play somewhere.

It just sucks that Dougie couldn't get anything for him. Won't be surprised if this comes back to bite us, though. Horrible asset management. Good for thomas, though, if he gets claimed.

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10-10-2010, 03:48 PM
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I remember back in 2007 when I thought Doug Wilson was a good GM.

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10-10-2010, 04:18 PM
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...................................delayed terrible yearly move by DW. He can't help but make a headscratcher move for the hell of it.

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10-10-2010, 04:27 PM
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Greiss ain't gone yet.

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10-10-2010, 04:59 PM
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Why are we angry now? I think it sucks, but we all knew it was coming.

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10-10-2010, 05:06 PM
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Why are we angry now? I think it sucks, but we all knew it was coming.
Because no matter what DW does, people are going to be pissed off.

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10-10-2010, 05:16 PM
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EFF YOU, Doug Wilson and Co. for treating Greiss like garbage.
Yes, my thoughts exactly.

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Why are we angry now? I think it sucks, but we all knew it was coming.
If we get rid of Greiss, why not get something in return. And I'm still pissed about Greiss not being started when we played against Alder Mannheim.

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10-10-2010, 05:28 PM
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Yes, my thoughts exactly.



If we get rid of Greiss, why not get something in return. And I'm still pissed about Greiss not being started when we played against Alder Mannheim.
I'm not sure there was a trade market for Greiss. It's a similar situation as the Bryzgalov one.

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10-10-2010, 05:32 PM
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Why are we angry now? I think it sucks, but we all knew it was coming.
Because it actually happened?

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10-10-2010, 05:33 PM
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Niemi signing made a return for Greiss nearly impossible. Why trade for something you can grab for free?

It might actually be a good time to waive Greiss. No team can assess how good or bad their goalies are, and no one is desperate to patch up a hole two games in.

I think there's a good chance no one claims him.

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10-10-2010, 05:34 PM
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I'm not sure there was a trade market for Greiss. It's a similar situation as the Bryzgalov one.
Hit the nail on the head.

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10-10-2010, 05:50 PM
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I'm really pissed off about this. I'm praying that he clears waivers, but my hopes aren't high.

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10-10-2010, 06:16 PM
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doug wilson is the best general manager in all of hockey

some of u guys r moronic

every GM makes a couple of unpopular moves. sure, DW overpays to keep his guys (wallin, mitchell, huskins, michalek, carle) but at least he knows how to rebound from those mistakes (heatley, boyle, & no long term cap constraints)

doug wilson does his job very well. next year we will have some more flexibility with the cap and we will finally know where some of our guys stand (mcginn, mitchell, mclaren, murray, demers, moore).

some of guys have gone

doug wilson always talks about our "window". i remember him saying 5 years ago that we had a 3 year window. this genious has extended that window until probably about 2014 (when patty, heater, and boyle are UFA---and likely when Joe is UFA after he signs his 3 yr extension )

some of y'all need to take a minute and not judge DW over thomas greiss

if u dont like...

joe
heater
boyle
niemi
re-signing malreau
drafting clowe & seto & pavs & couture & murray and vlasic....

and competing for a cup every yea
r, then ok, doug wilson sucks.

give me a freakin' break

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10-10-2010, 06:20 PM
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We only have a finite number of roster spots and he's at an age where he can't be sent to the AHL without clearing waivers. I understand if you disagree but I don't see why people are so incredulous, as though there was no possible rational reason for it. Sending someone through waivers doesn't imply that they have no value as an asset. It implies that the liability their roster spot and cap space creates is worth the risk they won't clear.

Greiss is also 24. I don't know a lot about prospect development but I find it hard to believe it's very likely that he's going to improve significantly at that age. Many players do go from borderline AHL to top 30 in their position past their mid-20s, but way more don't than do, and we don't have infinite cap space and roster spots with which to keep every non-relegatable 24 yearold that has an outside chance of being a star some day.

I don't necessarily believe this is the right decision, as I don't really know enough to say that, but I think a lot of you guys aren't appreciating the reasons that it might be.

Regarding criticizing Doug Wilson and GMs in general, it's important to remember that we have an opportunity that they don't: hindsight. We can decide whether we agree with a move long after it happened. Doug Wilson is responsible for every trade he makes regardless of what later evidence shows. No one is paying attention to us so it's easy to remember where we were right while forgetting where we were wrong. We also have the opportunity to just not decide when we don't know, and only express an opinion when we have a particularly good reason. Most of you have probably been annoyed listening to presumptuous teenagers and/or college students make cocky judgments about adults and the adult world, and you likely thought "that's easy for you to say, you don't have to actually make decisions." This is the same principle. Maybe we should calm down.

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10-10-2010, 06:25 PM
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I'm loving the massive over reaction to the waiving of a back-up goalie who clearly management doesn't think fits into our current plans.

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10-10-2010, 06:25 PM
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Greiss is also 24. I don't know a lot about prospect development but I find it hard to believe it's very likely that he's going to improve significantly at that age.
Goaltenders are still learning at that age...

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10-10-2010, 06:28 PM
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I liked Greiss but I have to agree. IMO Sharks are thinking Alex Stalock for there future. And I dont see Nitty staying more then a year or 2 also.

It is too bad the Sharks didnt get anyone for Greiss however

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10-10-2010, 06:39 PM
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I liked Greiss but I have to agree. IMO Sharks are thinking Alex Stalock for there future. And I dont see Nitty staying more then a year or 2 also.

It is too bad the Sharks didnt get anyone for Greiss however
Not just directed at you, but shouldn't these comments be saved for the moment after Greiss is picked up by another team?

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10-10-2010, 06:54 PM
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I'm loving the massive over reaction to the waiving of a back-up goalie who clearly management doesn't think fits into our current plans.
........back-up to the back-up

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10-10-2010, 07:05 PM
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Wrong thread.

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Goaltenders are still learning at that age...
How good for how long would Greiss have to be for the cap space and roster spot to be worth it? What percentage of goalies that are Greiss' skill level at his age reach that point? I don't know enough about development (or Greiss) to give sufficient answers, but I find it hard to believe that someone who does would say it's obviously worth it after giving those variables sober consideration. Most starters I've heard of were starter quality when they were 24, and there's a lot of thirdstring quality 24-or-younger goalies out there, way more than could become starters. I don't see how the math adds up.

What suggests to me that I'm not just ignorant of something about Greiss that shows he's got great untapped potential is that everyone is reacting to this as though it was pointless waste, not as though Doug Wilson misevaluated him in some way. I don't think there's been one comment about how good Greiss is. They all seem to be implying we may as well keep him just in case, because there's no loss. But there is a loss. We want to win the cup now, he can't be relegated without being waived, and his cap space and roster spot are a liability to that effort.

Further, the fact that he was waived and not traded suggests that Wilson couldn't get anything for him and expects he will clear. If he does, that shows that not only are we calling Wilson an idiot, we're calling all 30 NHL GMs idiots for not evaluating his potential future value as greater than the cap/rosterspot cost.

You might say "we surely could have at least gotten something for him when he was younger and appeared to have more potential, and before the goalie market crash." Yes. Doug Wilson probably knows this. But Doug Wilson, unlike us, has the unfortunate liability of not being able to make decisions based on information that became available years after the decision was actually made.

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10-10-2010, 07:44 PM
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the Sharks don't need to pay them back. They did Atlanta a favor taking the salary dump so that the Thrashers could facilitate their trade with Chicago.
Salary $$ was 0 at the draft. It was a matter of freeing up contract # so they could acquire Buff from Chicago. (Atlanta was at max of 50; Sharks were at 48 so could acquire them and got a 7th pick for their help.)

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Wouldn't surprise me if Chicago claimed him just to spite us.
They don't have the cap space.

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i never thought he was that good when he got the chance...I never got that trusting feeling from him...he often looked shakey...

Although because of his cap hit i would if DW was trying to move Nitty and keep Grease as a backup in order to have enough cap space to land a quality D.....you never know goalies are falling like flies...

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