doug wilson is the best general manager in all of hockey
some of u guys r moronic
every GM makes a couple of unpopular moves. sure, DW overpays to keep his guys (wallin, mitchell, huskins, michalek, carle) but at least he knows how to rebound from those mistakes (heatley, boyle, & no long term cap constraints)
doug wilson does his job very well. next year we will have some more flexibility with the cap and we will finally know where some of our guys stand (mcginn, mitchell, mclaren, murray, demers, moore).
some of guys have gone
doug wilson always talks about our "window". i remember him saying 5 years ago that we had a 3 year window. this genious has extended that window until probably about 2014 (when patty, heater, and boyle are UFA---and likely when Joe is UFA after he signs his 3 yr extension )
some of y'all need to take a minute and not judge DW over thomas greiss
if u dont like...
drafting clowe & seto & pavs & couture & murray and vlasic....
and competing for a cup every year, then ok, doug wilson sucks.
We only have a finite number of roster spots and he's at an age where he can't be sent to the AHL without clearing waivers. I understand if you disagree but I don't see why people are so incredulous, as though there was no possible rational reason for it. Sending someone through waivers doesn't imply that they have no value as an asset. It implies that the liability their roster spot and cap space creates is worth the risk they won't clear.
Greiss is also 24. I don't know a lot about prospect development but I find it hard to believe it's very likely that he's going to improve significantly at that age. Many players do go from borderline AHL to top 30 in their position past their mid-20s, but way more don't than do, and we don't have infinite cap space and roster spots with which to keep every non-relegatable 24 yearold that has an outside chance of being a star some day.
I don't necessarily believe this is the right decision, as I don't really know enough to say that, but I think a lot of you guys aren't appreciating the reasons that it might be.
Regarding criticizing Doug Wilson and GMs in general, it's important to remember that we have an opportunity that they don't: hindsight. We can decide whether we agree with a move long after it happened. Doug Wilson is responsible for every trade he makes regardless of what later evidence shows. No one is paying attention to us so it's easy to remember where we were right while forgetting where we were wrong. We also have the opportunity to just not decide when we don't know, and only express an opinion when we have a particularly good reason. Most of you have probably been annoyed listening to presumptuous teenagers and/or college students make cocky judgments about adults and the adult world, and you likely thought "that's easy for you to say, you don't have to actually make decisions." This is the same principle. Maybe we should calm down.
How good for how long would Greiss have to be for the cap space and roster spot to be worth it? What percentage of goalies that are Greiss' skill level at his age reach that point? I don't know enough about development (or Greiss) to give sufficient answers, but I find it hard to believe that someone who does would say it's obviously worth it after giving those variables sober consideration. Most starters I've heard of were starter quality when they were 24, and there's a lot of thirdstring quality 24-or-younger goalies out there, way more than could become starters. I don't see how the math adds up.
What suggests to me that I'm not just ignorant of something about Greiss that shows he's got great untapped potential is that everyone is reacting to this as though it was pointless waste, not as though Doug Wilson misevaluated him in some way. I don't think there's been one comment about how good Greiss is. They all seem to be implying we may as well keep him just in case, because there's no loss. But there is a loss. We want to win the cup now, he can't be relegated without being waived, and his cap space and roster spot are a liability to that effort.
Further, the fact that he was waived and not traded suggests that Wilson couldn't get anything for him and expects he will clear. If he does, that shows that not only are we calling Wilson an idiot, we're calling all 30 NHL GMs idiots for not evaluating his potential future value as greater than the cap/rosterspot cost.
You might say "we surely could have at least gotten something for him when he was younger and appeared to have more potential, and before the goalie market crash." Yes. Doug Wilson probably knows this. But Doug Wilson, unlike us, has the unfortunate liability of not being able to make decisions based on information that became available years after the decision was actually made.
the Sharks don't need to pay them back. They did Atlanta a favor taking the salary dump so that the Thrashers could facilitate their trade with Chicago.
Salary $$ was 0 at the draft. It was a matter of freeing up contract # so they could acquire Buff from Chicago. (Atlanta was at max of 50; Sharks were at 48 so could acquire them and got a 7th pick for their help.)
Originally Posted by ArcticSharkie
Wouldn't surprise me if Chicago claimed him just to spite us.
i never thought he was that good when he got the chance...I never got that trusting feeling from him...he often looked shakey...
Although because of his cap hit i would if DW was trying to move Nitty and keep Grease as a backup in order to have enough cap space to land a quality D.....you never know goalies are falling like flies...