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10-04-2010, 11:20 PM
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Al Secord

is he not the most underatted player in league history

50 goal scorer,enforcer,tough s.o.b.

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10-04-2010, 11:24 PM
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He was kind of like a proto-power forward. Big Physical forward with a nice scoring touch.

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10-05-2010, 12:12 AM
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He had 3 decent seasons in the highest scoring period of the 80's and adjusted his top 3 goal totals were 43, 32 and 31 goals with only 1 more 20 goal season.

Furthermore his spike was a direct product of playing with Savard.

I'm not sure how is under rated.

IMO at 1st glance he is maybe in the top 100 LW's of all time but I doubt he could be ranked higher than 80th or so.

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10-05-2010, 01:11 AM
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his career stats

Season Team League GP G A Pts PIM GP G A Pts PIM
197576 Hamilton Fincups OMJHL 63 9 13 22 117
197677 St. Catharines Fincups OMJHL 57 32 34 66 343
197778 Hamilton Fincups OMJHL 59 28 22 50 185
197879 Rochester Americans AHL 4 4 2 6 40
197879 Boston Bruins NHL 71 16 7 23 125 4 0 0 0 4
197980 Boston Bruins NHL 77 23 16 39 170 10 0 3 3 65
198081 Springfield Indians AHL 8 3 5 8 21
198081 Boston Bruins NHL 18 0 3 3 42
198081 Chicago Black Hawks NHL 41 13 9 22 145 3 4 0 4 14
198182 Chicago Black Hawks NHL 80 44 31 75 303 15 2 5 7 61
198283 Chicago Black Hawks NHL 80 54 32 86 180 12 4 7 11 66
198384 Chicago Black Hawks NHL 14 4 4 8 77 5 3 4 7 28
198485 Chicago Black Hawks NHL 51 15 11 26 193 15 7 9 16 42
198586 Chicago Black Hawks NHL 80 40 36 76 201 2 0 2 2 26
198687 Chicago Blackhawks NHL 77 29 29 58 196 4 0 0 0 21
198788 Toronto Maple Leafs NHL 74 15 27 42 221 6 1 0 1 16
198889 Toronto Maple Leafs NHL 40 5 10 15 71
198889 Philadelphia Flyers NHL 20 1 0 1 38 14 0 4 4 31
198990 Chicago Blackhawks NHL 43 14 7 21 131 12 0 0 0 8
199495 Chicago Wolves IHL 59 13 20 33 195 3 1 1 2 19
199596 Chicago Wolves IHL 47 8 8 16 108 9 1 0 1 4
NHL totals 766 273 222

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He's the only NHLer to have a 40 goal, 300 PIM season.

Savard or not, he could put the puck in the net and stick up for his teamates.

If not for injuries, he probably would've played in several more all-star games.

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10-06-2010, 09:32 PM
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In that game that was posted earlier this year, against Edmonton, he scored two goals and looked very dangerous!

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Bonus points for being a badass while not wearing a helmet

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is he not the most underatted player in league history

50 goal scorer,enforcer,tough s.o.b.
Sounds nice, but on the other hand, he was a poor skater, not a defensive player or playmaker at all, and had Denis Savard to thank for his best seasons. He was also very injury prone.

I don't think he's underrated. I think we have a pretty good handle on how good he was. He's a poor man's Kevin Stevens.

To Secord's credit, he's one of three forwards I know of from my lifetime that scored at a semi-elite level and fought heavyweights on a regular basis. Clark and Tocchet are the other two.

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He was a good finisher whose particular skillset fit nicely on a great line with Savard and Larmer.

Under-rated? Not really.

He had his peak years in the highest-scoring 5-year period ever, and when you look at adjusted points, his 4 best years are 69, 59, 55, and 49 points. For a first-line player playing with two elite talents, not all that great.

When he wasn't playing with those two players, he never established himself as anything more than a 20-20-40 player from a 2nd line.

Could do two things really well - fight and finish chances. Otherwise, he was a very incomplete player who didn't skate very well, wasn't good defensively, wasn't a good playmaker, and was very injury-prone.

Better player than, say, Perry Turnbull or Paul Holmgren, or just better linemates/situation?

Statistically, when you look at his best years, they don't look a lot different from Neely/Tkachuk/Gillies/Shanahan/Roberts, but he wasn't close to as good as any of those guys.

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A testament to just how damned good Savard was back in the day. As a right handed center, he made some really average offensive talents on LW like Secord and Daryl Sutter into 40+ goalscorers.

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Secord was a fine player I'd like on my team for a variety of reasons but he is far from underrated.

The most underrated players in NHL history off the top of my head would be guys like:

Hawerchuk, Lach, Pilote, Bathgate, etc.

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Always liked Secord but he had a short peak so he is far from under-rated.

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10-08-2010, 04:34 PM
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i remember him as a poor man's cross between wendel clark and tim kerr, two guys with shortened careers one overrated, the other underrated. with secord, you split the difference and say he's rated about right. a really good role player with scoring ability, a guy i would love on my team-- my canucks have been missing sergio momesso since he left and secord is significantly better than sergio at everything he did well. but still nothing special in an all-time context.

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Out of curiosity, what caused him to retire so young? I didn't follow the Hawks much back then.

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Out of curiosity, what caused him to retire so young? I didn't follow the Hawks much back then.
He was 32 years old, which when you look at the NHL in general in 1990 is not rare to have retired at that time. A new flock of players were dominating in the NHL at this time, many guys Secord's age slowed down. Which leads me to the next reason, he just simply slowed down and wasn't the same player anymore

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Secord was coming off his 54 goal season when a long term abdominal injury (torn ab muscles) curtailed him.

For someone who was a work out fanatic, that type of injury was freaky and speaks volumes about his mid 80's weight training style.

He played just 14 games in 83-84 and only 51 the next year before bouncing back with 40 goals in 85-86.

During their height, the Secord, Savard, Larmer line was great to watch and while it's true that playing with Savard hastened his ascent as a goal scorer, Secord's presence helped grant Savard ample room and time to make those spectacular plays.

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