HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Metropolitan Division > New York Rangers
Notices

Rangers Still Interested in Brad Richards

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
10-12-2010, 09:56 AM
  #51
jas
Unsatisfied
 
jas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: NJ
Posts: 12,978
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fitzy Duke of NY View Post
If Dubinsky has a good year, this teams RFA raises between Dubinsky, Callahan, and Anisimov could amount to an extra 3 million or so between them.

So i'm bit caddy on our UFA situation as of right now. Frolov, Prospal and Fedotenko expire and that gives us an extra 3 mil or so after the raises, hopefully Sauer will be good enough by then that we can deal Rozsival and open up 2-3 more mil, but that is still scraping to find cash to sign a guy like Brad Richards, who is probably going into the downswing of his career.

You want my opinion, we should keep Stepan-Anisimov-Drury as the center line next year, and maybe make a bid on Semin if his price drops.
The importance here is patience. I like Sauer, and think he could be an effective partner for either Staal or MDZ, but, he needs time to prove me right. Stepan and Anisimov each need another year of development. Richards would be a nice fit, and moving Grachev in such a deal would not bother me, but, another hole may be created in the process.

jas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-12-2010, 09:56 AM
  #52
mullichicken25
Registered User
 
mullichicken25's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: NJ
Posts: 2,536
vCash: 500
i dont know if people realize how horrible this team would miss rosi right now if he's dealt

we would absolutely need sometime of serviceable defenseman coming back in return

we cannot afford to replace an experienced defenseman with a rookie right now

mullichicken25 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-12-2010, 09:58 AM
  #53
Fitzy
All Is Well
 
Fitzy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 19,821
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by mullichicken25 View Post
i dont know if people realize how horrible this team would miss rosi right now if he's dealt

we would absolutely need sometime of serviceable defenseman coming back in return

we cannot afford to replace an experienced defenseman with a rookie right now
I agree with you. Im saying hypothetically if Sauer turns into Girardi 2.0, which i think he can be, it puts us in a situation where we dont need Rozsival as badly.

Still not comfortable with MDZ playing top 4 minutes, though.

Fitzy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-12-2010, 10:04 AM
  #54
mullichicken25
Registered User
 
mullichicken25's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: NJ
Posts: 2,536
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fitzy Duke of NY View Post
I agree with you. Im saying hypothetically if Sauer turns into Girardi 2.0, which i think he can be, it puts us in a situation where we dont need Rozsival as badly.

Still not comfortable with MDZ playing top 4 minutes, though.
your probablly talking to the wrong guy because i personally feel that girardi is horendouslly overrated

but i see where you're coming from...and while its possible for the future, i cant see it happening magically this season

he's got a ways to go, and no one else in the lineup or system, girardi included, can handle rosi's minutes

i just dont think its a good idea, in regaurds to this season, to trade rozsival

mullichicken25 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-12-2010, 10:06 AM
  #55
Fitzy
All Is Well
 
Fitzy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 19,821
vCash: 50
Yeah I saw a Rozsival deal as more of an offseason thing, but even then it may be that we aren't quite ready to let his minutes go yet.

27+ minutes last game with an even rating. Hard to replace that with a rookie, or god forbid Matt Gilroy which some people have been calling for.

Fitzy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-12-2010, 10:09 AM
  #56
SwedishBullet62
Never go full torts.
 
SwedishBullet62's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Long Island, NY
Country: United States
Posts: 4,723
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fitzy Duke of NY View Post
I agree with you. Im saying hypothetically if Sauer turns into Girardi 2.0, which i think he can be, it puts us in a situation where we dont need Rozsival as badly.

Still not comfortable with MDZ playing top 4 minutes, though.
Even if sauer pans out like that which I think he can this team CANNOT afford to loose rosival right now, in two years yea but not now our defense (which isn't great now) would be awful without rosival.

SwedishBullet62 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-12-2010, 10:10 AM
  #57
offdacrossbar
with the 10th pick..
 
offdacrossbar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: da cuse
Country: Tuvalu
Posts: 8,054
vCash: 500
cant stand rozy.

but, we cant dump him now without someone who can play 25 minutes a night and do atleast as good a job.

find me that guy, and we can talk.

until then, he stays.

offdacrossbar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-12-2010, 10:13 AM
  #58
Bleed Ranger Blue
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 14,617
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by mullichicken25 View Post
i dont know if people realize how horrible this team would miss rosi right now if he's dealt

we would absolutely need sometime of serviceable defenseman coming back in return

we cannot afford to replace an experienced defenseman with a rookie right now
Bravo on the Rozy love. What an extremely underrated Ranger.

Regarding the bolded, I dont think the Rangers are really in a position to give up assets for anybody.

Bleed Ranger Blue is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-12-2010, 10:16 AM
  #59
mullichicken25
Registered User
 
mullichicken25's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: NJ
Posts: 2,536
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bleed Ranger Blue View Post
Bravo on the Rozy love. What an extremely underrated Ranger.

Regarding the bolded, I dont think the Rangers are really in a position to give up assets for anybody.
i agree

my reasoning is because they dont really know what they have yet

after this year we'll have a lot better idea of what we're going to get from Dubi, AA, and Stepan

im pretty sure the front office is using this season as an oppritunity to get a good hard look at what we really have in our system...not a bad idea if you ask me

mullichicken25 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-12-2010, 10:18 AM
  #60
OverTheCap
Registered User
 
OverTheCap's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 9,592
vCash: 500
After the first two games, it seems like the Rangers shouldn't be trying to trade for Richards, but rather they should focus on upgrading the defense.

They need an experienced LD in the worst way.

And Fitzy is right about Del Zotto... the way he plays defensively, he belongs on the third pairing. A top 4 lefty defenseman would be ideal right now.

OverTheCap is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-12-2010, 10:21 AM
  #61
CM PUNK
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 3,261
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by RangerBoy View Post
Larry was a guest of Maloney's yesterday after the first intermission,he told Dave the Rangers are looking for a defenseman and could make a move this week.
imo this is an absolute must...if rosy's near 28:00 last night is any indication of how little trust and faith torts has in eminger/sauer then trading for another dman is a top priority. we won't survive going with only 4 dmen (especially when one of them is del zotto who as a 2nd year player has his own issues). and that was in game 2 against the isles. what happens as we get later in the year and face the caps and pens? do rosy and staal play 40 minutes those games?

as far as richards goes, i say talk to me after xmas. if we are a contender than we can seriously think about it. but imo we won't be even close to a contender at that point if we are only using 2 d pairs.

CM PUNK is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
10-12-2010, 10:53 AM
  #62
LetsGoBlueshirts
Registered User
 
LetsGoBlueshirts's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: New Joisey
Country: United States
Posts: 499
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by OverTheCap View Post
After the first two games, it seems like the Rangers shouldn't be trying to trade for Richards, but rather they should focus on upgrading the defense.

They need an experienced LD in the worst way.

And Fitzy is right about Del Zotto... the way he plays defensively, he belongs on the third pairing. A top 4 lefty defenseman would be ideal right now.
I know! I know! Tomas Kaberle!

LetsGoBlueshirts is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-12-2010, 11:00 AM
  #63
Pizza
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 9,907
vCash: 500
There don't seem to be too many good scenarios in which Richards becomes a Ranger.

The Rangers would seem to have either the choice of throwing ton's of cash at him and/or prospects and picks at Dallas. Makes no sense.

Even if we did get him, I really doubt he would perform up to expectations.

It seems people just never tire of the "Blockbuster" trade or FA signing.

Same old story.

Pizza is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-12-2010, 12:42 PM
  #64
Boom Boom Geoffrion*
CarciLOL
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: NYC
Country: Greece
Posts: 7,553
vCash: 500
I don't want to see anyone traded. This core is looking good. They've been together for a few years now. They're getting stronger, faster, and more experienced. I'm damn proud Sather hasn't moved the Dubinsky's and Girardi's, and I hope he never does.

The guys I want moved, don't have the value necessary to acquire a talent like Richards, even as a rental. I'd rather wait until July 1st, and see if we can squeeze him in somehow. I imagine he re-signs with Dallas though.

Boom Boom Geoffrion* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-12-2010, 08:18 PM
  #65
wolfgaze
Interesting Cat
 
wolfgaze's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: NJ
Country: United States
Posts: 12,047
vCash: 500
In response to the question of who Brooks thinks the Rangers would give up to acquire Richards:

Quote:
@nickpNYRwriter They won't want to sacrifice any substantial plyr if they think they can get him as a UFA
http://twitter.com/NYP_Brooksie

wolfgaze is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-12-2010, 08:39 PM
  #66
nyr2417
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 1,905
vCash: 500
I'll tell you this much, if we sign Brad Richards it spells the end of Drury. He will inevitably be bought out of the last year of his contract to a) make cap room and b) no point in having a guy making 7 mill as your 4th line center. I'd love to see our middle next year look like richards, anisimov, stepan, boyle (re-signed).

Frolov(4.5)-Richards(7)-Gaborik(7.5)
Dubi(3.5)-Anisimov(2)-Callahan(2.75)
Avery(1.9)-Stepan(820k)-Grachev(820ish I believe)
Boogaard(1.6 )-Boyle(600k)-Prust(850k)

Give Kreider a year in Hartford and insert him into avery's spot the following year when avery comes off the books. Re-sign Frolov 4 years 4-4.5 max per, anymore than that tell him to f off.

Drury bought out
2011-2012 cap hit: $3,716,667
2012-2013 cap hit: $1,666,667

Girardi(3.325)-Staal(3.975)
MDZ(1.1)-Rosi(5)
McDonaugh(820k)-Sauer(750k)

2011-2012 team cap: 60.26 mill. (including potential raises and drury buy-out) assume the cap will be around 61 mill. leaving us room for a spare forward/dman. The following year rosi, avery, prust, boyle will come off the books to provide funds for raises to our rfas. Were in great shape!

nyr2417 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-12-2010, 08:45 PM
  #67
FOXHOUND*
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Woodside, Queens
Country: United States
Posts: 3,507
vCash: 500
Love brad but the more I think about it, the more I want the core kept together. get him @ UFA if you can.

FOXHOUND* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-12-2010, 08:47 PM
  #68
Fitzy
All Is Well
 
Fitzy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 19,821
vCash: 50
Drury will not be bought out.

If we sign Richards it will mean we will not re-sign Frolov.

Fitzy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-12-2010, 08:49 PM
  #69
jas
Unsatisfied
 
jas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: NJ
Posts: 12,978
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by wolfgaze View Post
In response to the question of who Brooks thinks the Rangers would give up to acquire Richards:



http://twitter.com/NYP_Brooksie
Which I take to mean that neither Dubinsky nor Roszival is headed anywhere.

jas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-12-2010, 08:50 PM
  #70
nyr2417
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 1,905
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fitzy Duke of NY View Post
Drury will not be bought out.

If we sign Richards it will mean we will not re-sign Frolov.
So you're saying we'll have a 7 million dollar 4th line center?

nyr2417 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-12-2010, 08:52 PM
  #71
Fitzy
All Is Well
 
Fitzy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 19,821
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by rangersfan4390 View Post
So you're saying we'll have a 7 million dollar 4th line center?
I don't know where he will end up playing. But barring retirement or a career ending injury, Drury will be on the payroll next year.

Fitzy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-12-2010, 08:55 PM
  #72
azrok22
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 9,422
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fitzy Duke of NY View Post
I don't know where he will end up playing. But barring retirement or a career ending injury, Drury will be on the payroll next year.
I agree that a buyout is extremely unlikely. However, I wouldn't characterize his spot on the roster as a guarantee, because the season is long and there's the possibility that he declines further. If buying out Drury was the difference between Sather being able to afford Richards (or whatever other big ticket item he wants) I don't doubt that he would consider a buyout.

There's also a chance that Drury becomes dissatisfied with his role on the team and asks to be moved to a contender (assuming we don't make the playoffs). He's getting up there in age, but I find it unlikely that he's been happy with his performance or role over the last year.

azrok22 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-12-2010, 08:57 PM
  #73
Fitzy
All Is Well
 
Fitzy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 19,821
vCash: 50
He is the captain of his (allegedly, can't claim to know for sure) favorite franchise and is making big bucks doing it.

He takes each loss as a personal blow, but to me that doesn't scream "trade me" as much as it does "Im gonna try to make us better"

Fitzy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-12-2010, 09:01 PM
  #74
azrok22
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 9,422
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fitzy Duke of NY View Post
He is the captain of his (allegedly, can't claim to know for sure) favorite franchise and is making big bucks doing it.

He takes each loss as a personal blow, but to me that doesn't scream "trade me" as much as it does "Im gonna try to make us better"
Oh, I don't think it screams trade me either, but do you think he's happy playing a 4th line role (which he did for a decent amount of time last year, and isn't out of the question this year -- especially if Prospal returns)? I don't discount it as a possible occurrence.

Personally, I don't put much weigh into the favorite franchise thing . . . especially when that franchise is failing to make the playoffs while nearing the end of his career.

azrok22 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-12-2010, 09:03 PM
  #75
Fitzy
All Is Well
 
Fitzy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 19,821
vCash: 50
Even if he played 4th line, he'd probably get 10-12 minutes a game from being on the top PK unit, and maybe even throw in some PP time.

With the amount we're paying him, the only problem he should have with that role is feeling like he should be playing well enough to be higher than that.

The NHL's best teams can roll 4 lines. Kennedy-Drury-Prust is a very comfortable line to roll, and probly will get 10 more goals over the course of the season than Boogaard-Boyle-Prust

Fitzy is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:25 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2014 All Rights Reserved.