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2006 Finland vs. 2010 USA

View Poll Results: Who would win in the Ultimate Silver Medalist Game?
2006 Team Finland 31 57.41%
2010 Team USA 21 38.89%
Even/To close to call 2 3.70%
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08-28-2010, 12:20 PM
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2006 Finland vs. 2010 USA

Being an American with many friends in Finland I've been having this discussion since the Vancouver Olympics ended. These two teams were underdogs going into their respective Olympic games and both were lead by outstanding goaltending performances as well as high level play from their stars. Both went undefeated up until they lost in the Gold Medal Game to their closest national rivals.

Two memorable teams that had to settle for Silver in two ridiculously close final games. I would love to see these two teams compete in what could arguably be the game between the two best Silver medalists in recent history. Who do you think would win and why?

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The US wins in NA and Finland wins in Europe.

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On the paper USA team looks better but 2006 Finland had a better tournament. They beated Switzerland, Czech Republic, Canada, USA and Russia, while 2010 USA beated Switzerland(two times), Canada and Finland.

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2006 Finland had a better tournament. They beated Switzerland, Czech Republic, Canada, USA and Russia.
And sweden was so close


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My heart says Finland, but voted for the close one.

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I said Team USA 2010 because when comparing them no one gave them a chance to even win a medal and I believe their players are younger then roster Finland had in 2006.

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I voted Finland but after some thought I came to conclusion that the winner would be USA 11 times out of 10.

It is a well known fact that Finland is so great that it doesnt need to win and as far as I understand you are asking who would win if there was a game played by two teams that have a 0% chance to win a gold medal. My reasoning being that for a team that has a 0% chace to win the gold medal, the hypothetical silver game would be just like a gold medal game. When we compare these two great hockey nations in best vs. best gold medal games we find that Finland has a winning prosentage of 0 and USA has won once and lost 3 times for a 25% chance to win the gold. These numbers tell the whole story as you can´t even describe how much greater the chance for a USA win is.

Even mathematics cant tell you how much more 25 is to 0 and that tells you the whole story about Finnish hockey in gold medal games!

I noticed that there is still some room left here so in the words of Trevor Strong I am going to describe finnish hockey for you:

Silvers* better anyway,
it has a nicer shine
In our hearts we know,
we are winners everytime

*In this case Silver = bronce

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Either Finland or even. 2006 Finland have the clear coaching advantage.

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09-03-2010, 02:23 PM
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Either Finland or even. 2006 Finland have the clear coaching advantage.
And your avatar has a clear ass advantage!

I´m not saying that you are wrong or right. Finland might just as well win it. What I am saying is that you are right with your avatar sir!

Now I´m back to drinking beer and watching BBC and Sibelius the Early Years.

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I think Finland would win but it would be a very close one.

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And sweden was so close


Seriously... That must be the saddest video in the history of mankind, at least for a Finn. I still cant believe we lost it, god damn!

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Does Finland have Ryan Miller in net? Dont think so. USA wins.

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Does Finland have Ryan Miller in net? Dont think so. USA wins.
Good point. Miller's team always wins in the Olympics.

Anyway, I pick Finland. They were more impressive in 2006 than USA was in 2010.

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Good point. Miller's team always wins in the Olympics.

Anyway, I pick Finland. They were more impressive in 2006 than USA was in 2010.
Sure about that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finland...lympics_roster

Just as I remembered, goalies look REAL impressive. The defense does too.

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Sure about that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finland...lympics_roster

Just as I remembered, goalies look REAL impressive. The defense does too.
Niittymäki was the tournament MVP, how could their goaltending be better?

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Sure about that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finland...lympics_roster

Just as I remembered, goalies look REAL impressive. The defense does too.
Yes I'm sure about that. I watched each game Finland played in 2006 and each game USA played in 2010, and Finland looked better to me. I'm not sure what you are getting at with the roster... both rosters were weak for Olympic finalists.

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Niittymäki was the tournament MVP, how could their goaltending be better?
So was Miller. Compare the rosters,

Goalies - America.
Defense - America.
Offense - Tie.

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Just saying, I would much rather have Miller over Niittymaki any day of the week, where Miller could steal games, which he did for the US on a few occasions, which is something Niittymaki cant do. The US had a far superior team, depth-wise, and skill-wise. And as far as all the "coaching BS", Having a better coach does not make you a better team and the clear cut winner. Ron Wilson is a more than capable Olympic coach..

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The US had better depth but Finland had better top end talent with Koivu and Selänne being arguably the two best forwards in the tournaments, and Lehtinen and Peltonen not being far behind. Their only weakness was scoring depth. Goaltending may be a wash but Finland had a better overall defensive performance with 5 shutouts in 8 games.

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Compare the rosters,

Goalies - America.
Defense - America.
Offense - Tie.
Merely "comparing the rosters", how does Finland 2006 compare to Canada 2006?

And which one was the better team?

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The US had better depth but Finland had better top end talent with Koivu and Selänne being arguably the two best forwards in the tournaments, and Lehtinen and Peltonen not being far behind. Their only weakness was scoring depth. Goaltending may be a wash but Finland had a better overall defensive performance with 5 shutouts in 8 games.
So Parise/Kane are not top end talents? Both of them had great tournaments, with Pavelski and Ryan providing great play behind them as well. Not to mention Brian Rafalski was probably the best offensive Dman in the 2010 Olympics as well. We are all entitled to our opinion, but to me, and im sure many others, the winner would be quite clear in a long series, as anything could happen in one game.

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Also the level of talent was MUCH better in 2010 rather than 2006. In Vancouver we got to see top notch Ovechkin, Malkin, Crosby, Miller, Backstrom, Parise.... Much better skill level compared to 2006 - Forsberg, Mikey Modano, Guerin, Chelios, Draper

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Also the level of talent was MUCH better in 2010 rather than 2006. In Vancouver we got to see top notch Ovechkin, Malkin, Crosby, Miller, Backstrom, Parise.... Much better skill level compared to 2006 - Forsberg, Mikey Modano, Guerin, Chelios, Draper
Did uuhh.. did you even watch hockey in 2006?

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