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10-11-2010, 07:50 PM
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If the Poni-Handzus-Simmonds line doesn't do SOMETHING, they need to move Poni off that line and replace him with Richardson. Besides Poni's penalties, that line has been totally invisible.
They also havent been scored on. And I thought they generated quite a few chances in Vancouver.

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10-11-2010, 08:07 PM
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They also havent been scored on. And I thought they generated quite a few chances in Vancouver.
Hmmm, perhaps I'm wrong, but I don't remember them generating ANY offense.

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10-11-2010, 08:10 PM
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Our third line has been invisible. Not bad. Not good. Just nothing. Which isn't bad, since you know, not being scored on when they're on the ice is a good thing, but when they're projected by a lot as probably the best third line maybe in all of the NHL, you would expect them to generate some offense.

But who knows. A Canadian trip to start the year in two home openers, back-to-back, is just tough.

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10-11-2010, 08:19 PM
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Our third line has been invisible. Not bad. Not good. Just nothing. Which isn't bad, since you know, not being scored on when they're on the ice is a good thing, but when they're projected by a lot as probably the best third line maybe in all of the NHL, you would expect them to generate some offense.

But who knows. A Canadian trip to start the year in two home openers, back-to-back, is just tough.
This. It's not like the Kings have been dominating in either building. The Kings just don't play well in Calgary.

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10-11-2010, 08:32 PM
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Hmmm, perhaps I'm wrong, but I don't remember them generating ANY offense.
It was mostly early on. Poni tipped that Johnson shot off the post, and they had that shift that ended in Zeus whiffing it off the near post with an open net. So nearly two in the first 20 minutes of the season, as many goals as we've scored this so far.

In any event I think we're going to look a bit better at home, at the very least because we'll be getting some more favourable matchups out there with the last change.

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10-12-2010, 12:10 AM
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Atlanta is a big tough team, no chance Westgarth should be sat. Clifford as much as I love him, has been abysmal. He needs to go back to juniors and get one more year to absolutely dominate.
More than a victory, I'd like to see a Simmonds versus Kane fight.

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10-12-2010, 12:13 AM
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It was mostly early on. Poni tipped that Johnson shot off the post, and they had that shift that ended in Zeus whiffing it off the near post with an open net. So nearly two in the first 20 minutes of the season, as many goals as we've scored this so far.

In any event I think we're going to look a bit better at home, at the very least because we'll be getting some more favourable matchups out there with the last change.
We have most posts than goals this year. Both off Jack.

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10-12-2010, 12:27 AM
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So last year everyone hated that Murray changed the lines so often. Now we have one loss and everyone is thrilled to see a knee-jerk reaction in lineup changes.

Sure, seeing Lokti will be cool, but I care more about the philosophy behind the changes than the lines themselves.
Not me. I dont care about philosophy, I care about goals, and hits, faceoff wins and shot blocks. Philosophy is something you study in college or discuss on the internet in a drunken stupor.

I am certain that the only person i want to hear hockey philosophy from is a guy name Scotty, and I aint talking about Star Trek.

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We have most posts than goals this year. Both off Jack.
Schenn had a crossbar and stoll had a post as well

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10-12-2010, 01:20 AM
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As someone earlier pointed out Brown and Smyth are playing the same stay-in-front-the-net-and-pick-up-garbage style which is fine with me, or should I say around the net in Browns case and I'm not just talking about the PP. Actually they are not exactly playing the same style but Brown should play that way.

I think the reason why he isn't moved from first line is because he is a FUTURE player and should become better with years to come. TM wants a first line that sticks for years to come and can't play one player (Kopi) alone with Smyth or Williams who will be gone and who have reached their top performances. You can't put two rookies on the line so Brown stays.

Thats my 50 cents.

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10-12-2010, 12:28 PM
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BTW Richardson in , Lewis out

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BTW Richardson in , Lewis out
Lewis was never "in," regardless of what she said.

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Sitting Westgarth against ATL is not in our best interests, but if he keeps taking stupid minor penalties he's going to leave us no choice in future contests. I am good with these changes.
Well this is why i call these guys clowns.
They have absolutely nothing to do with a hockey game and are dressed in teams
with a dinosaur coach who plays 70's hockey style.

IMO a 4th line has to be filled with guys who can fly, have a huge hockey IQ and
have grit.
Just think the Detroit 4th line over the last 10 years.

That Maltby - Draper - speedy Youngster
was the prototype of a 4th line. Their Stanley Cups had a lot to do with that line.
If your 4th line center scores 30 goals against the opponent top lines you are doing right.

I'm really done with these Ivanans, Clunes, Zeilers....
Thank god they are playing else where now.


But like usual this is just my 2 cents and most people here think different

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10-12-2010, 02:13 PM
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...but I care more about the philosophy behind the changes than the lines themselves.
Me, too.

I personally prefer Post-Modern Rationalism as my philosophy behind line changes.

Putting Lokti on 1st-line LW fits with Post-Modern Rationalism, for sure.

Putting Smyth on the 1st line is pure absurdism now.

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10-12-2010, 03:01 PM
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Murray likes to keep someone like Smyth or Handzus on the PP to get in front of the net. It's effective when the PP's clicking so I doubt he changes that. PP should be

Smyth - Kopitar - Schenn
Doughty - Johnson

Handzus - Loktionov - Brown/Williams
Stoll - Muzzin
That Brown vs. Williams decision is a tough one. I think I'd go with Williams from what I've seen so far. But dang, that's not any easy decision at all!

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Lewis was never "in," regardless of what she said.
You know what I meant .

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Sitting Westgarth against ATL is not in our best interests, but if he keeps taking stupid minor penalties he's going to leave us no choice in future contests. I am good with these changes.
Westgarth is a rookie and is going to make his share of mistakes before he catches up with his expectations, Poni is way worse than Westy has been and he should know better but, then as I have said since the day that we signed him, if we expected anything different than what Poni has been giving us we are the ones who are wrong.

Poni is doing exactly what cost him his job in Pitts and TO.

His trickle down problems cause others to over extend themselves and in turn take penalties. The same thing should be said regarding the abysmal start that Davis is having and how it is making Muzz look like he is struggling when I think he has been playing amazingly for a rookie.

JDM, I hear you.

It isn't that we are trying to find out which of our talented kids should be allowed to stay with the big club and which should go back for some more seasoning, its the fact that our coach his a bad habbit of simply applying a blindfold and throwing darts at a board to determine line combo's.

It is the right time of the season to make changes and I also think that its fine to keep the lines fluid at the start of the season, the problem is that TM does it all the time and while that is alright with some combinations, it is a major mistake in others.

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Well this is why i call these guys clowns.
They have absolutely nothing to do with a hockey game and are dressed in teams
with a dinosaur coach who plays 70's hockey style.

IMO a 4th line has to be filled with guys who can fly, have a huge hockey IQ and
have grit.
Just think the Detroit 4th line over the last 10 years.

That Maltby - Draper - speedy Youngster
was the prototype of a 4th line. Their Stanley Cups had a lot to do with that line.
If your 4th line center scores 30 goals against the opponent top lines you are doing right.

I'm really done with these Ivanans, Clunes, Zeilers....
Thank god they are playing else where now.



But like usual this is just my 2 cents and most people here think different

Kurrilino,

I agree with you. The best 4th lines around the league are exactly what your saying. Speed guys with energy who play up tempo games.

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JDM, I hear you.

It isn't that we are trying to find out which of our talented kids should be allowed to stay with the big club and which should go back for some more seasoning, its the fact that our coach his a bad habbit of simply applying a blindfold and throwing darts at a board to determine line combo's.

It is the right time of the season to make changes and I also think that its fine to keep the lines fluid at the start of the season, the problem is that TM does it all the time and while that is alright with some combinations, it is a major mistake in others.
Thank you. I'm glad someone conveyed an understanding of my point.

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It's way WAY to early to say this....

I'm getting nervous about the lines.

The 1st line line is ok but that's just because of Kopitar. It isn't a scary dominant line. I don't think it has the correct combination of skill, speed, and physical play to be scary.

The Poni, Zeus, Simmonds line isn't clicking. Simmonds isn't playing to his normal level and I wonder if it's because he got so much bigger? Has his new size decreased his speed? Poni is a serviceable 3rd liner but I think we are feeling the loss of Frolov. Even on his bad nights his ability to hold on to the puck gave that line life. On paper it should be a good line but in practice I'm a little worried.

The 2nd has had such changes that it's hard to figure out. Thing is one of the best players in the first three games is Williams. Guy has come back from his injury hard and in a contract year he really could take his game to the next level. Stoll is also playing well. Better then he gets credit for...

The rookies are decent but none of them have made a case, to this point, that they can play major minutes at the NHL. Hopefully at least one will have made that case at the 10 game point....

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By the way guys, since this thread is about the lines, I'm not sure I've mentioned here that I am keeping track of all of Murray's line changes throughout the season (significant and consistent changes, not when a random line gets thrown out once or twice).

I'm hoping that by the end of the season we will have an easy page to reference for what lines worked, didn't work and how often Murray the mad man switched up the lines and why.

The link to the page is here: http://lakingsnews.com/lineup-card-2/

I will be keeping it updated after every game.

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By the way guys, since this thread is about the lines, I'm not sure I've mentioned here that I am keeping track of all of Murray's line changes throughout the season (significant and consistent changes, not when a random line gets thrown out once or twice).

I'm hoping that by the end of the season we will have an easy page to reference for what lines worked, didn't work and how often Murray the mad man switched up the lines and why.

The link to the page is here: http://lakingsnews.com/lineup-card-2/

I will be keeping it updated after every game.
Should be interesting. Thanks. You must be a glutton for punishment though.

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Should be interesting. Thanks. You must be a glutton for punishment though.
Seriously. Murray is gonna give me a workout.

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I think we should try these lines out...

Richardson-Kopitar-Simmonds(Richie and Simmonds have chemistry together...Kopitar in the middle only makes it better.)
Smyth-Stoll-Williams
Poni-Handzus-Brown
Clifford/Loktionov-Schenn-Westgarth
Ex: Lewis

Then when Parse gets back

Parse-Kopitar-Simmonds (Parse and Simmonds also clicked well last season.)
Smyth-Stoll-Williams
Poni-Handzus-Brown
Richardson-Schenn-Westgarth
Ex: Lewis/Clune(Clifford back to jr.)

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Seriously. Murray is gonna give me a workout.
If you want a real challenge, keep track of how may times people here propose new line combinations.

AKAY47 alone would wear you out.

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Slow start to the season, after tomorrow night's game they have 4 days off before Carolina's in town.

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