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10-14-2010, 02:39 PM
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Philadelphia selects W Lasse Oksanen



5'11", 180 lbs.
9x Finnish 1st-Team All Star RW
282 games with Finnish National Team
1x Top Goalscorer SM Liiga (69-70)
1x SM Liiga MVP ('66)
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498 points in 477 career SM Liiga games
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1x Most Gentlemanly Player in SM Liiga Award Winner (67-68)
10x Competitor in World Championships (26 goals, 23 assists in 89 games)

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A true legend in his native Finland, but for a 3-time Olympian and IIHF Hall of Famer, Lasse Oksanen is relatively unknown to the rest of the world.

Perhaps this is because he shunned the bright lights and money of the NHL to spend almost his entire career leading his countreymen in Finland. And not only that but he spent his entire career with one club, his beloved Ilves Tampere. This is the mark of a man dedicated to his sport, his country and his people dearest to him. 9-time All Star Oksanen was truly the epitome of dedication.

Born in Tampere, Finland Lasse played 477 games in 19 seasons in the Finnish top division, scoring 498 points (268 + 230). He was a Finnish League All-Star 9 times. His international career included playing 282 times for Finland in 11 World Championships and 3 Olympics. He played with Ilves Tampere his entire career.
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Besides the accomplishments of Hagman and Lehtinen, Lasse Oksanen played 19 seasons for Ilves Tempere team in Finland...

In short, these three players and several other athletes have become role models and legends in ice hockey for Finnish sports fans.
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Lasse Oksanen came along in 1960 and was an excellent player who hung around for 13 seasons...
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Finnish star Lasse Oksanen may have also been in Vancouver's training camp in the early 1970s.
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Sami Kapanen, RW/LW



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He was constantly in motion. He didn't just keep his feet moving, he kept them motoring. He was one of the fastest players I've seen, and just a fantastic competitor.

His skating skills were deeper than just speed. He had an excellent acceleration, and he knew how to change gears on a defenseman. He had good agility and balance on his feet, with a low center of gravity that he learned to maximize to make him hard to knock off the puck. He was good at reading the play develop and knew when to dart in and out of traffic.

Kapanen, like most Europeans, had a play maker first mentality, but he was not afraid to use his fine wrist shot, especially off of the rush. He used possibly the shortest stick in the league, which made puckhandling a breeze for him.

He was a tiny guy, but played without fear. He played a spunky game and put himself in harm's way knowing his speed would draw penalties.

He was also very intelligent, playing a sound defensive game. In fact, he was so good defensively that in 2004 playoffs the Flyers would drop Kapanen back on defense for two rounds when injuries surprised them. Kapanen played positionally well, and rushed the puck out of the zone nicely.


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I would probably consider Kapanen being capable of playing defense as well. It wasn't just one or two games that he did that.

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I can attest to that, he's played defense extensively for the Flyers in 03-04 when our defense was decimated by injuries.

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10-14-2010, 10:21 PM
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I personally have Kapanen listed as RW/LW/D.

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Well he also played C in juniors, but then he'd end up listed as 'skater'... unless someone found something about him playing goalie.

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Well he also played C in juniors, but then he'd end up listed as 'skater'... unless someone found something about him playing goalie.
I seem to remember that the Flyers would have used Kapanen in net if both of their netminders went down during the game, but I have no link.

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10-15-2010, 07:44 AM
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The question is: At which positions did he excel at?
NOT: Which position did he play at for a while?

He was at best an average NHLer on the blueline which means not good in an all-time context. He was great as a winger in the NHL (against the highest level of competition he faced) and so as a winger he is, in an all-time context.

We should be playing guys at the position(s) they played best at!!

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this one should come as no surprise given who we have as our 2nd line LW.


The Johnstown Jets select C Andrew Cassels



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Cassels was coveted by the Montreal Canadiens while playing junior in Ottawa, particularly after 1987-88 when he had a league-leading 103 assists and 151 points. The Habs had drafted him the previous summer, 17th overall, and another year later he played for Canada at the 1989 World Juniors.

The OHL's MVP in 1988, Cassels started his first NHL games the following year with the Habs but spent the majority of the year in the minors. The next year, he was back for good, but the Habs gave up on him after he managed just six goals. He was traded to Hartford and blossomed into a decent scorer, three times hitting the 20-goal mark. After six seasons in Hartford, Cassels was sent to Calgary in 1997-98 and then moved to Vancouver in 1999-00, all the while contributing offensively.

A silver medalist with Canada's World Championship team in 1996,Cassels signed as a free agent with the Columbus Blue Jackets in 2002-03, after three seasons in Vancouver. Upon his arrival with Columbus, Cassels became one the team's leaders both on and off the ice and in 2003-04 surpassed the 700-point plateau for his career.

Following a lock out season in 2004-05, Cassels was acquired by the Washington Capitals in the summer of 2005. However, Cassels was released by the club midway through the season.

In 16 NHL seasons, Cassels saw action in 1015 games and recorded 204 goals and 528 assists for 732 points.
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This is Andrew Cassels. If you ever needed a definition of a heady hockey player, it was Andrew Cassels.

Cassels was a very intelligent player, blessed with terrific hockey instincts. A poor man's Adam Oates, he was one of the best play makers of his generation. He was a creative puck mover, as good a puck distributor on his back hand as on his forehand. He knew when and where to move the puck. And he knew his targets inside out, as he spent countless hours in practice as the set up man for various shooting drills.

I was happy to see Cassels head to Hartford. By 1992-93 he became the Whalers top line center and a regular on both specialty team units. He formed great chemistry with speedster Geoff Sanderson on left wing.

Cassels enjoyed six solid seasons with the Whalers, but he was not part of the franchise move to Carolina for the 1997-98 season. Instead the newly minted Hurricanes traded Cassels and a prospect goaltender named Jean Sebastian Giguere (I bet you did not remember he was part of either the Hartford or Calgary organizations!) in exchange for ******* and Gary Roberts.

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10-15-2010, 08:00 AM
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Philadelphia listpicks center Pelle Eklund
Toledo listpicks right winger Scott Young

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Queen's University selects Vladimir Golikov, the most successful of the three hockey-playing Golikov brothers in international play, with a reputed two-way game. While he played in the 1976 and 1977 world championship losses and the '80 Olympics, his scoring was very significant when the Soviets won, in four world championship golds: in 1978 he was 3rd in goals behind Balderis and Mikhailov, in 1979 3rd in assists behind Mikhailov and Petrov, in 1981 he led the team in goals and was 2nd behind Maltsev in points, and in 1982 his 9 points were behind only Makarov, Kapustin, and Larionov. And in that 8-1 shellacking of Canada in the 1981 Canada Cup, Vladimir Golikov easily deked out Larry Robinson and backhanded the puck past Liut to score an insurance goal for the Soviets. Two years earlier in the 1979 Challenge Cup series first game, Vladimir joined Lafleur to share star of game honours after his goal in a 4-2 loss to Canada. In game two of the series against the NHL's best, Vladimir scored the game winner in a close 5-4 contest. All in all, he scored 49 points in 59 important games at the international level, thriving at the highest level of competition, not only offensively but also defensively. Clearly, in the five year span between 1978-82 he was simply one of the great hockey players on the international stage. It is almost beside the point that he finished top-3 in assists and points in the USSR league in 1978 and followed that with only three more significant seasons at the league level.



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I wanted to have Sanderson+Cassels on 2nd line, but got beat to Sandman and took Cullen instead of Cassels. Oh well.

HC Kosice selects an exceptional skater and big part of two great postseason runs in Bret Hedican, D


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London selects Steve Sullivan, RW/C

257-405-662 goals-assists-points in 847 games
321-475-796 adjusted goals – assists – points in 847 games

Led the Blackhawks in scoring in 2000-01 with 34-51-75
1st in short handed goals 2000-01 with 8 (also finished 8th and 10th in SHGs)

4th in Game Winning goals in 2001-02

9th in NHL assists and 16th in NHL points in 2003-04

2008-09 Bill Masterdon Memorial Trophy

Represented Canada at the 2000 and 2001 World Championships

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Sullivan spent the next three seasons in Toronto before being claimed off waivers by the Chicago Blackhawks, where he blossomed into a bona fide point-producer. The 2000-01 season was Sullivan's most productive in the NHL as he led the Blackhawks in scoring, as well as the league in short-handed goals and points.

Although small in stature, Sullivan is a crafty player with breakaway speed who after dominating the AHL in the mid 1990s, took his game to the NHL and once the 2002-03 season came to an end had scored five straight 20-plus goal seasons and five straight 40-plus point seasons. In February 2004, after parts of five seasons in the Windy City, Sullivan was dealt to the Nashville Predators who were looking for an offensive threat. Upon his arrival with the Preds, Sullivan to register 30 points (9-21-30) in 24 games, while leading the club to its first playoff appearance in franchise history.

On the international stage Sullivan made his debut at the 2000 World Championships and returned again the following year.

In 2009, Sullivan would become the first player in Nashville Predators franchise history to capture a major NHL award, winning the Masterton Trophy for his dedication and perseverance in returning from a serious back injury after being away from the game for a total of 687 days. After sustaining the injury on February 22, 2007, Sullivan would miss 142 regular season games and 11 more in the playoffs, finally making his return to action on January 10, 2009 versus Chicago. He would record his first point the very next game and after a slow start, finished the year by notching 27 points in the Predators' final 25 games, leading the club to a 22-14-5 record down the stretch. An inspiration to both his teammates and the community for his hard work and training that enabled him to return to the NHL; Sullivan also recorded his milestone 600th career point on March 28 versus Los Angeles.


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10-15-2010, 08:31 AM
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The Tigers draft Pierre Bouchard.



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Nicknamed “Baby Butch” after his father, who enjoyed a Hall of Fame career on the Canadiens’ blue line, Pierre Bouchard spent eight years as a rearguard with Montreal, an important cog in the machine that dominated the NHL in the 1970s.

Chosen with the fifth pick in the 1965 Amateur Draft, the 6-foot-2, 205-pound defenseman spent his junior year with the Montreal Nationale and Montreal Junior Canadiens before turning pro at 19. After a year of seasoning each with the AHL’s Cleveland Barons and Montreal Voyageurs, Bouchard cracked the Canadiens lineup at the start of the 1970-71 campaign.

Playing behind long-established teammates, Bouchard brought an element of toughness to the blue line corps. His rookie season ended with one of the Canadiens’ most unexpected Stanley Cup Championships in the spring of 1971. Despite being in a transition year, the Habs captured the Cup, earning Bouchard the first of his five mentions on the venerable trophy.

Rewarded with more ice time as he matured, Bouchard played a clean but hard-hitting brand of hockey. A policeman who served as a deterrent rather than an enforcer, he rarely went looking for trouble, sent to the penalty box far less frequently than many of his counterparts throughout the league.

As the 1970s advanced and the Canadiens’ “The Big Three” of Larry Robinson, Serge Savard and Guy Lapointe came to the forefront as the NHL’s premier offensive defensemen, Bouchard soldiered on in his familiar defensive role. A traditional stay-at-home blue-liner who used strength and positioning to make up for a lack of speed, he was a consistent, reliable presence for the Canadiens throughout the decade.

Rarely a threat to make it onto the score sheet, Bouchard picked up three points in his rookie campaign and increased his totals until he was producing on average a dozen points a year. In his 489 regular season games with the Habs, Bouchard totalled 16 goals and 66 assists. He also scored three and assisted on 10 others in 76 postseason games.

An outgoing man with a wonderful sense of humor, Bouchard made contributions to the Canadiens which went far beyond his on-ice efforts. The expectations of Montreal’s hockey fans often made the city a pressure cooker for players and Bouchard’s drolleries provided a welcome reprieve, allowing teammates to shift their focus elsewhere.

A second Stanley Cup came Bouchard’s way in 1973 and he was part of three consecutive championship squads from 1976 through 1978.

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The Tigers draft Pierre Bouchard.

I was curious to see how important he was to his team in his 5 Cups, so I just looked up how many games he played for his team in the playoffs during each Cup year:

1971: Played 13 of 20 playoff games
1973: Played 17 of 17 playoff games
1976: Played 13 of 13 playoff games
1977: Played 6 of 14 playoff games
1978: Played 10 of 15 playoff games

Of course, time on ice would show a lot more.

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The question is: At which positions did he excel at?
NOT: Which position did he play at for a while?

He was at best an average NHLer on the blueline which means not good in an all-time context. He was great as a winger in the NHL (against the highest level of competition he faced) and so as a winger he is, in an all-time context.

We should be playing guys at the position(s) they played best at!!
I agree. No one will put Kapanen on the blueline to start. But he is a reasonable fill-in, in the case of an injury (or two).

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this one should come as no surprise given who we have as our 2nd line LW.

The Johnstown Jets select C Andrew Cassels

Underappreciated player. Good pick. What I learned about Cassels that I wasn't aware of before, when I was researching picks for this draft, was that he was actually a pretty prolific penalty killer, on the ice for 31% of his team's PPGA.

Definitely better than Cullen, IMO.

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Queen's University selects Vladimir Golikov, the most successful of the three hockey-playing Golikov brothers in international play, with a reputed two-way game. While he played in the 1976 and 1977 world championship losses and the '80 Olympics, his scoring was very significant when the Soviets won, in four world championship golds: in 1978 he was 3rd in goals behind Balderis and Mikhailov, in 1979 3rd in assists behind Mikhailov and Petrov, in 1981 he led the team in goals and was 2nd behind Maltsev in points, and in 1982 his 9 points were behind only Makarov, Kapustin, and Larionov. And in that 8-1 shellacking of Canada in the 1981 Canada Cup, Vladimir Golikov easily deked out Larry Robinson and backhanded the puck past Liut to score an insurance goal for the Soviets. Two years earlier in the 1979 Challenge Cup series first game, Vladimir joined Lafleur to share star of game honours after his goal in a 4-2 loss to Canada. In game two of the series against the NHL's best, Vladimir scored the game winner in a close 5-4 contest. All in all, he scored 49 points in 59 important games at the international level, thriving at the highest level of competition, not only offensively but also defensively. Clearly, in the five year span between 1978-82 he was simply one of the great hockey players on the international stage. It is almost beside the point that he finished top-3 in assists and points in the USSR league in 1978 and followed that with only three more significant seasons at the league level.




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I was considering him.

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London selects Steve Sullivan, RW/C

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321-475-796 adjusted goals – assists – points in 847 games

Led the Blackhawks in scoring in 2000-01 with 34-51-75
1st in short handed goals 2000-01 with 8 (also finished 8th and 10th in SHGs)

4th in Game Winning goals in 2001-02

9th in NHL assists and 16th in NHL points in 2003-04

2008-09 Bill Masterdon Memorial Trophy

Represented Canada at the 2000 and 2001 World Championships
Very good pick. Despite the lack of elite finishes (which he has in common with just about everyone available now), he has been a very good offensive player for longer than most available guys.

His career average of 0.67 adjusted even strength points per game is 2nd highest among all available guys. You'd think a small player like this would slot in as a PP specialist, but far from it. He's like a waterbug the way he darts in and out of traffic.

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I was curious to see how important he was to his team in his 5 Cups, so I just looked up how many games he played for his team in the playoffs during each Cup year:

1971: Played 13 of 20 playoff games
1973: Played 17 of 17 playoff games
1976: Played 13 of 13 playoff games
1977: Played 6 of 14 playoff games
1978: Played 10 of 15 playoff games

Of course, time on ice would show a lot more.
Playoff icetime would show us the most... but unfortunately, we can't get that.

According to regular season GF/GA, his ice time in those seasons would have looked like this:

1971: 13.5 min/GP
1973: 17.2
1976: 15.4
1977: 13.8
1978: 13.7

so in other words, very little. He was about their #5 defenseman perrennially. (6, 6, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5)

But on the other hand, look who he was playing behind.

In 1980 and 1981 he played a total of 104 games for Washington, a team with comparitively little offensive depth. It says he played about 21.9 and 18.8 minutes per game for them in those two seasons.

In 1980 he was 4th, behind Picard, Green, and an undrafted. In 1981, 5th behind Green and three undrafteds. On the other hand, he was getting fairly old by then.

So it's actually pretty tough to judge the guy based on that. My first impression - a very poor man's Randy Gregg.

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Definitely better than Cullen, IMO.
Hm, I actually had Cassels draft post posted last round, but edited it to Cullen within a second. Oh well.

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Cullen's best season was definitely better though.

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I wanted to have Sanderson+Cassels on 2nd line, but got beat to Sandman and took Cullen instead of Cassels. Oh well.

HC Kosice selects an exceptional skater and big part of two great postseason runs in Bret Hedican, D

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RW Scott Young



1992 Stanley Cup Champion
1996 Stanley Cup Champion
1996 World Cup Champion
10th in Goals 2001
2002 Olympic Silver Medal

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A quick skater who developed into an excellent forechecker with a hard, accurate shot.
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With all of that in mind, his defensive awareness is even more impressive. He read plays in all zones equally weel and has good anticipation. If Young is not scoring, he will be doing a lot of the little things that help make his team better.

Young is a fast skater, which, combined with his reads, makes him a sound forechecker.

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I wanted to have Sanderson+Cassels on 2nd line, but got beat to Sandman and took Cullen instead of Cassels. Oh well.

HC Kosice selects an exceptional skater and big part of two great postseason runs in Bret Hedican, D

Quite possibly the fastest defenseman I have ever seen in person. Wasn't an offensive dynamo or a physical defenseman, but he could certainly hold his own physically, he was damn good positionally, and fast enough to recover even if you did beat him. Probably one of the most underappreciated defensemen of the modern era.

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Quite possibly the fastest defenseman I have ever seen
His mother was a figure skating coach so he got pretty special individualized training at an early age, Hedican said in interview before when asked about his speed.

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Regina, after careful deliberation, is going to get a goalie while the getting's good. It took forever to identify one that stood out, but we have our man.

- He is 3rd among available goalies in career wins (4 behind the leader)
- He is 1st among available goalies in career playoff wins
- He has the 3rd best "adjusted sv%" among available goalies (behind two guys who don't compare in the bove categories)
- He was 4th in Vezina voting in 1993
- He's been 2nd, 9th, and 9th in save percentage, and had four other seasons in the top-16, well above the league average

I never thought I'd get the chance to take this guy because he generally gets overrated and taken in the middle of the MLD. But he's now 120 spots beyond his lowest position ever, and about 340 past his average recent MLD selection point.

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I'll take Willie Mitchell, D
Hedican wasn't a bad pick at all, but I think you got the better guy here.

Mitchell has been more relied on by his teams (slightly), averaging about half a minute more per game than Hedican. While Hedican played 34% of the time on the PK for average penalty killing teams, Mitchell has played 56% of the time for outstanding penalty kills. Despite providing little offense and playing a shutdown role, he has an excellent career adjusted +/- of +65.

I realize it comes down to what you're looking for in each particular pick, but I think Mitchell is decidedly better than Hedican overall, despite his fragility.

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His mother was a figure skating coach so he got pretty special individualized training at an early age, Hedican said in interview before when asked about his speed.
I wonder if that had anything to do with him meeting and eventually marrying Kristie Yamaguchi.... or am I thinking of someone else?

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over the last three days or so...

stolen from the Queen's shortlist: Chouinard, Gingras, McFadden
taken from the Queen's longlist: Sundstrom, Carson, Murzyn, Lidster, Craven, Dewsbury, Kubina, Kapanen, Eklund, Sullivan, Bouchard
decidedly not in Queen's plans: Stillman, Cullen, Sinisalo, Paladiev, Hedican, Mitchell, Potvin
watched to see how far they'd fall: Duchesne, Young
overlooked by Queen's scouting: Picard, Cassels
interesting picks: Carlyle, Trapp, Wares, Linder, Oksanen

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