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10-17-2010, 01:48 AM
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thats why this is hockey, not dance class. when i wear my rangers jersey to the colliseum i know what im in for, and ive been in more than one altercation as a result of it... but thats what i expect. i think ranger fans are getting too soft. i seen a guy in preseason at the rangers senators game running around the entire ARENA,after the senators scored, dressed as a senator with a mock stanley cup in his hands mocking ranger fans. if i was a couple years younger i wouldve taken care of it myself. its embarrasing sometimes....the garden is turning into the opera.
i saw that guy too! I was like, "It's pre-season, *******!"

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10-17-2010, 02:03 AM
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thats why this is hockey, not dance class. when i wear my rangers jersey to the colliseum i know what im in for, and ive been in more than one altercation as a result of it... but thats what i expect. i think ranger fans are getting too soft. i seen a guy in preseason at the rangers senators game running around the entire ARENA,after the senators scored, dressed as a senator with a mock stanley cup in his hands mocking ranger fans. if i was a couple years younger i wouldve taken care of it myself. its embarrasing sometimes....the garden is turning into the opera.
Bad example, it's a home game

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10-17-2010, 02:28 AM
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Are you kidding me? Way to tell half the story. Sure that guy got heckled a bit, but then he stands up giving everyone the finger and then challenges everyone to a fight who started then cursing at him, WITH HIS KID AND WIFE NEXT TO HIM.

He was the complete disgrace.
If you want to come to the Garden and root for the Rangers opponent that's one thing. But when you start standing up and rubbing in goals...and provoke the fans of the good guys...well then I have no sympathy for you getting a beer in the face.

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10-17-2010, 02:44 AM
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Bad example, it's a home game
Please see my post....when i go to devils home games with my rangers jersey...i get ridiculed and numerous ******* chants and deservedly so.

I sure as hell dont give the middle finger to the whole crowd and try to provoke fights though

When you do that at the garden.....you deserve a good ass whooping

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10-17-2010, 03:39 AM
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I'm on the fence here. I agree, it's fun to have some bickering going on, but sometimes it goes too far.

I was at the exciting Sens game during the preseason, sitting in t he corner about 4-5 rows from the glass. Directly in front of me were about 6 guys, probably from LI, upstate or NJ, all around 23-26. None of them were Boogaard's, but they all looked like they'd probably been in a tussle before, or could at least handle themselves. Across the aisle was a Sens fan, around the same age, but of a far scrawnier build.

He was with a pretty cute girl, also in a Sens jersey. The worst thing they did was celebrate Ottawa goals. These ****ing locals would not leave them alone. Homosexual slurs, comments regarding the girl, etc. Towards the end of the game, they had to sneak up behind him, grab his Sens cap and throw it towards the boards, under the seat, after which point they left rather than incur the wrath of the security guards. Halfway through the game, the girl began responding to him. I felt bad for the dude, he clearly didn't want to get his ass kicked, thrown out of the game, or get embarrassed in front of his girl.

Everyone else in the section was pretty disgusted with their behavior. We don't even have a rivalry with them. That kind of thing, I think that's pretty ****** and needs to stop.

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10-17-2010, 03:41 AM
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ill just share a story with you all.

a few years back the new york rangers played the atlanta thrashers in the playoffs. i went to both the games here in atlanta but didnt know where to park. i decided to ask the thrashers board for help, and someone there (who im still good friends with to this very day) decided to help me out and tell me where to go. i sat in the "nasty nest" as the lone ranger fan in a sea of thrasher fans. i only really cheered when the rangers scored, other than that i was quiet and observant of the game as i always am. after the 2 games i had conversations with many of the ppl there that were super friendly. now the ppl, that i met at that game are my closest friends. i play hockey on a team with many of them, and the others i keep in touch with all the time...via facebook, via a thrashers msg board, etc. all because the fans of that team were cool, not **********.


all i can say is, im happy it was this way and not the other way around (me being a ranger fan and them being thrasher fans, not vice versa)...because they treated me with class and respect.

*shrugs*

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10-17-2010, 04:09 AM
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two years ago, I went to a Ranger - Habs game up in Montreal. Between periods, we went outside for a smoke. A few Habs fans decided to throw ice at us. Real brave of them, 500 Habs fans vs 4 NYR fans, and they have to throw solid ice at us. The heckling,and shouts of "Go back to New York!" would have been fine. Its to be expected when wearing Ranger gear.. Idiots didn't take into account they had three native New Yorkers on the Habs roster that night. That's fine, because at the end of the altercation we gave as good as we got. We wanted to see just how brave these dudes were...so after throwing the ice back in their direction...we started making our way thru the crowd over to where they were standing. Gutless pukes ran back inside the building.

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Tell them Milbury is in the building and he will come after them if they don't calm down.

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Wow, just going back and reading some of these comments makes me think some of the posters were raised by Skinheads. Seriously, listen to yourselves.

The situation Friday night went beyond name calling and bird flipping. As I was leaving the Garden I saw a fan in a Leaf jersey bleeding from the face with blood all over his jersey and the floor. That's completely unnecessary and criminal.

The bad behavior needs to stop.

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10-17-2010, 08:28 AM
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PS. I have been corresponding with the Leaf fan who was escorted out of Section 408.

For those cementhead fans in 408 who think they accomplished their mission in getting the Leaf fan and his wife thrown out, you are dead wrong. The man and his wife were reseated downstairs.

Further, if I see anything like what happend like Friday night again, I will call security and report the abusive fans, be they Ranger fans or visitors immediately to security.

Abuse and violence are unacceptable. There is no reason to warrant such behavior. And, it is criminal.

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10-17-2010, 09:06 AM
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PS. I have been corresponding with the Leaf fan who was escorted out of Section 408.

For those cementhead fans in 408 who think they accomplished their mission in getting the Leaf fan and his wife thrown out, you are dead wrong. The man and his wife were reseated downstairs.

Further, if I see anything like what happend like Friday night again, I will call security and report the abusive fans, be they Ranger fans or visitors immediately to security.

Abuse and violence are unacceptable. There is no reason to warrant such behavior. And, it is criminal.
I have no problem with ANYTHING that is said during the course of the game between fans.
It is never acceptable to put your hands on anyone though.
If the things people are saying are offensive to somebody, than by all means security should be called and I commend you for it. No one in the stands should be afraid, and its good to know there are people looking out for eachother.

If people who pay for a seat want to be loud and abnoxious thats there perogative, but tehy must also expect there is a good chance they will be asked to leave

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10-17-2010, 09:47 AM
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...a fan in a Leaf jersey bleeding from the face with blood all over his jersey and the floor. That's completely unnecessary and criminal.
Dude probably got tanked, fell over and hit his face on the back of a chair. Or got hit by a puck.

If there had been a confrontation you would have seen officers of the law there taking away a dude in handcuffs along side the fellow you saw.

I've seen plenty of confrontations in stadiums get broken up by officials who call in backup as soon as something like you describe is noted.

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In Section 416, we had a group of 4-5 Leafs fans who started a lot of ****, rest assured, the security man kicked them all out.

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I can't say what happened with the Leaf fan and his wife in Section 408 at the Garden, but I can say this. I am a displaced Ranger fan now living in Charlotte, but lived in Raleigh for a few years and had season tickets to the Hurricanes while there. In 2002, the Leafs and Hurricanes met in the ECF.

Because the Hurricanes arena is basically in the middle of nowhere, 'Canes fans usually tailgate rather than go to local bars. For the ECF, it's mid-to-late May, and in the mid-south, it's basically summer. Game 2 was a Saturday. The Leaf fans arrived as soon as the parking lots opened and parked right at the gate where everyone had to come in. As 'Canes fans were arriving, beer bottles and other glass items were thrown at anyone in 'Canes gear. Most of these Canadian mensa members were in their early 20's and were looking to fight ANYONE, including the Raleigh police.

That's not to say there weren't a few decent Leafs fans. One gave me his remaining beer after the game for the 'Canes win and that he couldn't keep it cold all the way back up to Toronto.

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10-17-2010, 10:04 AM
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In Section 416, we had a group of 4-5 Leafs fans who started a lot of ****, rest assured, the security man kicked them all out.
That's as it should be.

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10-17-2010, 10:15 AM
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Like i said before, there is a certain line which shouldn't be crossed. but heckling and being heckled is part of the fun of going to games.

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PS. I have been corresponding with the Leaf fan who was escorted out of Section 408.

For those cementhead fans in 408 who think they accomplished their mission in getting the Leaf fan and his wife thrown out, you are dead wrong. The man and his wife were reseated downstairs.

Further, if I see anything like what happend like Friday night again, I will call security and report the abusive fans, be they Ranger fans or visitors immediately to security.

Abuse and violence are unacceptable. There is no reason to warrant such behavior. And, it is criminal.
god i really hate it when someone tries to be the hero. calm down this happens and sometimes its warrented. and the whole its criminal thing, you know what else is criminal, underage drinking. you know how much that goes on in the garden? you should spend the whole game reporting people for all of their criminal activities.

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Did I say anything about how the altercation in 408 occurred? What I said was he was driven from the section.

The Leaf fans where I was in 409 ndid nothing more then stand up and cheer when the Leafs scored and for that they were abused and cursed at.

I have personally corresponded with the abused man from 408 and given the some of the morons I saw at the Garden (in my own section), I choose to give this Canadian man the benefit of the doubt.

Did you hear exactly how the altercation in 408 started or did you see the aftermath of the man reacting when his wife was being abused?

Never mind. the whole situation is both ridiculous and unnecessary.

Treating other people badly because they wear another jersey and cheer their team needs to stop.
It goes both ways. People who buy season tickets to watch games consider the Garden (or any arena) their second home. Cheering for the opposing team in an away arena can be viewed as a form of disrespect and also has several consequences.

I have always felt this way when I go to an opposing rink. I basically refuse to respond to any verbal attack. I just shrug my shoulders and keep watching. It doesnt make me more of a Rangers fan if I give Flyers fans the finger and fist fight my way home in I'm at Wachovia. Plus, it doesn't change the outcome of the game

One thing I will never understand are opposing fans who are grossly outnumbered and still open their mouths and escalate the situation.

Freedom of speech is most certainly subjective in the sports world, and it will always be that way. The closest thing to idealism in hockey arenas comes in the form of security guards. Good luck getting them to respond immediately.

Moral of the story: Know your surroundings, don't talk back (especially if your with your family) and if you have an ax to grind, wait until you get home so you can complain about fans on the internet from the safety of your living room.

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The New York Ranger fans need to calm down a little. I love how the guys in there mid 20's get drunk off of 2 beers and start all the problems. I was sitting next to a Leaf fan all night and he didn't start anything. Of course when the Leafs scored he got up and cheered but other than that he was fine. We ended up walking out together talking and then a Ranger fan gets in his face talking all this bs and putting his hands on him ( Mr. Tough guy here because he had like 10 friends with him), I stepped in and told him to hop off, the guy was doing nothing to deserve that.

I understand booing them at games and having chants but no need to put your hands on anyone...

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10-17-2010, 10:45 AM
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.... guys in there mid 20's get drunk off of 2 beers and start all the problems...

I understand booing them at games and having chants but no need to put your hands on anyone...
Cool story. You sound stand-up.

2 beers, though for our younger readers, is the legal amount you need to drink to be considered legally intoxicated, so no matter how you feel, be aware that your actions are impaired at this level of consumption.

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I was in Washington for a Capitals/Rangers game last year with my girlfriend. Didn't do **** the whole game. I only cheered when the Rangers scored and would high five the guy sitting near me who was also a Ranger fan. So the game ends in a Ranger loss (obviously) and I'm walking out with my girlfriend, and these ****ing neanderthals just start yelling in my face and cursing at me. It's one thing to do it from far away, because I'd most likely ignore it, but if someone gets in my face I don't back away (yeah yeah I'm an internet tough guy lol). So I turn around and start cursing back (it was some fat guy and a stupid broad who probably started watching hockey 3 days ago) and some other moronic individual gets in my face and wants to fight me. So I oblige him and start throwing punches until some other guy breaks it up. And then I leave.

I didn't like it when it happened to me, so I don't like it when Ranger fans harass opposing fans who haven't done **** but cheer on their team.

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Cool story. You sound stand-up.

2 beers, though for our younger readers, is the legal amount you need to drink to be considered legally intoxicated, so no matter how you feel, be aware that your actions are impaired at this level of consumption.
No one should ever be physically attacked or threatened for behaving at a visiting arena, I think we all agree with that. However, some people appear to be way too sensitive. It's a hockey game. Hockey fans are a passionate group arguably unlike those of any other professional sport. There's going to be yelling, there's going to be bad language, and it's going to get loud. If a fan of an opposing team is provoking the home crowd, you cannot expect everyone to just turn the other cheek. If opposing fans feel like they're allowed to do whatever they want in our building then it'll only get worse. Those people need to be dealt with. I fully support the home crowd going after those causing trouble.

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If I go to another team's house (esp. with the GF or kid), I'm doing so low-key. No jersey, no being a ******, no yelling (unless our team scores) etc.... Philly, NJ, even the Isles are not places to wear the opposition's colors and expect anything other than grief.

Atlanta, TB, etc... are a different story.

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Wow, just going back and reading some of these comments makes me think some of the posters were raised by Skinheads. Seriously, listen to yourselves.

The situation Friday night went beyond name calling and bird flipping. As I was leaving the Garden I saw a fan in a Leaf jersey bleeding from the face with blood all over his jersey and the floor. That's completely unnecessary and criminal.

The bad behavior needs to stop.
Do you have any idea what that Leaf fan was doing all game? Did he deserve it? Was he the antagonist of that situation? How can you make a poor judgment of Ranger fans if you have no idea what happened?

Yea, sometimes the home fans are the antagonist just because they're dicks. For example, the prior post about the group of dudes picking on a sens fan and his girl in a preseason game.

But in some situations fans go to road games to be antagonists. There are some drunk or a-hole Rangers fans but there are also away fans who are just as drunk who enjoy being the antagonist as an away fan and go to the game looking to be confrontational. You can't bring up this subject without placing some of the blame on those types.

And most importantly I would much rather there be intensity in the crowd, even if there is an instance or two where it goes over the line, than there be no intensity at all. That experience is why you pay to go to the game instead of watching on TV for free. The guys in suits who show up to their seats in the 100's in the 2nd period and don't make a sound for 2 hours piss me off way more than the guy in the 400's who's into the game, even if he's heckling an away fan now and then.

It's a fast, physical, intense sport and that's why most of the fans go to the games. Throw thousands of people mostly from the demographic that's going to enjoy that type of entertainment into a crowd and there will be some examples of bad behavior. There are many, many other forms of entertainment available in NYC. If anyone isn't happy with their experience in the MSG crowd they're free to go enjoy another type of entertainment.

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Just saying idk if anyone else posted this but some drunken ******* (ranger fan) was stripping in my section. There was a point where he was down to just his underwear. And he didnt get the boot!

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