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10-18-2010, 11:06 AM
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Sorry folks, haven't had nearly as much time for this thing as I thought I would. I'll just throw out three picks now, didn't have much more than a few minutes to come up with them. I'll make today's pick either later today or tomorrow.

D - Janne Niinimaa

D - Eric Brewer

C/LW - Shawn Burr

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10-18-2010, 11:16 AM
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We are just about halfway through the draft. If a GM can't make time to research and make picks then we could find a replacement. If a team has a co-GM, then lean on them! Whatever we do, let's not be careless with the picks. No one has been careless yet (thankfully), and it's been an honour in this drafts to have so many dedicated GMs, and those who haven't had the time haven't been half-cavalier about it.

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10-18-2010, 11:20 AM
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I don't mind any of those picks.

Burr I took in AA10. Although by now a few guys have passed him in my mind.

Brewer represented Canada internationally, which is great, on the other hand, his adjusted +/- is abysmal. Sub -100 in a half-career so far.

Niinimaa I hoped someone else would take because it appears he deserves it by now. Similar to Malakhov, he had consistency issues, but he was very good offensively, underrated defensively, and got lots of icetime in all situations.

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10-18-2010, 11:22 AM
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There are actually 5 defensemen I want to take but I only have room for 3 including my 7th, and It will drive me nuts if someone else doesn't take the other two. I'll go bonkers.

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10-18-2010, 11:37 AM
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It will drive me nuts if someone else doesn't take the other two. I'll go bonkers.
That's what the Double-A Draft is for. BOO-YA! If we get at least four GM'd teams (three plus me), we'll keep on rockin'!

We did a Double-A Draft before (AA10) and it went well with 5 teams. My Double-A Sparta Praha team had 14 players already drafted this year! including Himes, Bullard, Lebedev, Shuvalov, Bouchard.

Another example: Hedberg's AA10 Tucson Rustlers had Chouinard, Barlow, Boll, Craven, Ruskowski. There are nuggets of gold that are unearthed in researching for the AAA and AA drafts, which helps future ATD/MLDs.

(AA10 started after 1178 picks had already been made in ATD/MLD/AAA10. That's the equivalent of starting after late Day 8 in this AAA 2010 draft. There are a couple dozen players who've moved up to higher drafts.)

Speaking of nuggets, we could instead just have another set of tryouts for the Dawson City Nuggets, basically a team of Double-A all stars.


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10-18-2010, 12:17 PM
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That's what the Double-A Draft is for. BOO-YA! If we get at least four GM'd teams (three plus me), we'll keep on rockin'!

We did a Double-A Draft before (AA10) and it went well with 5 teams. My Double-A Sparta Praha team had 14 players already drafted this year! including Himes, Bullard, Lebedev, Shuvalov, Bouchard.

Another example: Hedberg's AA10 Tucson Rustlers had Chouinard, Barlow, Boll, Craven, Ruskowski. There are nuggets of gold that are unearthed in researching for the AAA and AA drafts, which helps future ATD/MLDs.

(AA10 started after 1178 picks had already been made in ATD/MLD/AAA10. That's the equivalent of starting after late Day 8 in this AAA 2010 draft. There are a couple dozen players who've moved up to higher drafts.)

Speaking of nuggets, we could instead just have another set of tryouts for the Dawson City Nuggets, basically a team of Double-A all stars.
Harry Smith, Jimmy Herberts, Daniel Briere, Ran McDonald, Shawn Burr, Charlie Sands, Don Saleski, Joe Cooper, Bob Trapp, Mike Palmateer.

That's 10, six of whom went in the MLD

And I think four who are guaranteed to be taken.

I count 15 from your AA team, actually, including 10 from the MLD... but it should be noted that you picked one of them yourself this time, and three others were taken by a team with a specific soviet-only mandate

I scoured beyond the AA10 draft and named three 24-man rosters, and they're not doing too bad either:

6 from team 1 (1 in the MLD)
10 from team 2, including all three goalies. (5 in the MLD)
2 from team 3

yeah, a AA draft was nice, but it was a bit anticlimactic too, with no ending last time. Voting on an all-star team remaining would be a nice alternative to that.


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10-18-2010, 12:40 PM
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Earl Ingarfield, C



- 8th in NHL in goals in 1961-62
- greatly increased his production in the postseason, scoring 17 pts in 21 games there
- #79 on the infamous all-time Ranger list

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However one player who everyone appreciated was Earl Ingarfield.

Earl was definitely not considered to be a star hockey player by most standards, but rather a spirited and determined journeyman who did his job very well although virtually unnoticed. Only three times did the underrated Earl score more than 20 goals, yet he was known for his graceful skating and a booming shot.
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Centre Earl Ingarfield was a consistent centre who possessed good speed and a decent shot. He was respected wherever he played for his work ethic and dedication to team play.
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"He was one talented player - a finesse player who was always meticulous about his personal attire and how he played. He handled the puck with confidence and was a great passer."
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Ingarfield finished the 1968-69 season on fire. Due to injuries to a number of Seals players, Ingarfield played all three forward positions at various times. He also played the point on power play. In 26 games with Oakland, Ingarfield managed 8 goals and 23 points.

"He has stepped in and done an outstanding job in every place we've needed him", Seals coach Fred Glover said at the time. "That's because he's a first-class professional with top NHL ability." To Glover, the acquisition of Ingarfield was one of the keys to Seals' second place finish in 1968-69. "There was something different about him and something special." Glover said. "He changed our team the second half of the 1968-69 season"

Ingarfield's torrid offensive pace continued into the postseason. In the seven-game series with the Kings, the ex-Ranger led the Seals with four goals and 10 points. One of his goals was a game winner. Ingarfield is the Seals' all-time leading scorer in the postseason with 11 points in 11 games.

Ingarfield decribed himself on the ice by saying "I had a good hockey sense and saw the ice well. I could skate fairly well and guess I scored my share of goals. I put the team before individual goals. I respected my teammates and I'd like to think they respected me. I could check and play defense as well as offense. I was happy to play in the NHL."

For his teammates, especially the younger players, Ingarfield provided leadership.


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10-18-2010, 01:09 PM
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Earl Ingarfield, C



- 8th in NHL in goals in 1961-62
- greatly increased his production in the postseason, scoring 17 pts in 21 games there
- #79 on the infamous all-time Ranger list
Good pick! Definitely on my radar for 4th line center, or spare.

There were 8 players available with at least four 30+ seasons pre-expansion (lol, yeah, that's how deep we are here) and five of them needed the weak 1940s to do it. Ingarfield was one of the other three.

Either that means he was truly one of the better offensive players left, or it means we've over-harvested the pre-expansion days already. I guess it's a bit of a combination of both.

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10-18-2010, 01:26 PM
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Thoughts on the following, guys:

I have Murray Craven, Peter Zezel, and Scott Mellanby. I have them on three separate lines. Mellanby is the tough, complementary winger for two offensive guys. Craven a playmaking, defensive presence with size to complement a guy who is small and at at his point, just a scorer. Zezel's defensive game and prowess as a faceoff specialist makes him a natural for the 3rd line.

But, these threre guys were teammates in Philadelphia for two full seasons, 1986-87 and 1987-88. Does anyone remember if they were linemates? I don't. I think their offensive stats and the types of players that they were indicates that they may have been.

Would anyone recommend I put these three together? And if so, what line would I make them? At this level they definitely have 2nd line credentials as a unit. But Zezel should certainly play behind Allison and Carson, as they are both more talented, and less "two-way" than him.

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10-18-2010, 01:41 PM
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London Banits are pleased to select another 3-time Western All-Star defenseman....

Percy Traub

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London Banits are pleased to select another 3-time Western All-Star defenseman....

Percy Traub
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Philadelphia selects LW Yevgeny Mishakov



Soviet Hockey Hall of Fame Member
8x Soviet League Champion
4x World Championship Gold Medalist
2x Olympic Gold Medalist
20th All-Time among Soviets in goals/game (everyone else in top 25 already selected)
48 goals in 91 career games for Soviet National Team
183 goals in 400 career Soviet League games
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Mishakov gained notoriety during the 1972 Summit Series for engaging in a fight, a true rarity in the Russian game. He and Rod Gilbert got in the tournament's only fight, which was something completely new to Soviet hockey.

While fighting was heavily frowned upon in Russia, Mishakov was never reprimanded. In fact Mishakov, who had little choice but to drop the gloves when the usually mild-mannered Rod Gilbert began pummelling him, was recognized for sending a message to Canada by fighting back.

"We always criticize our players for fighting," commented Russian sports writer Lev Lebedev of Pravda. "In this series we didn't do that. If our players didn't stand up to the Canadians, there wouldn't have been enough players to complete the game! After the fight between Mishakov and Gilbert, the professionals began to realize that Russians can fight too."

Mishakov was one Soviet player who played full out. He was an energetic and exuberant forward who showed unbridled spirit, often on the penalty kill.

"The playing fury and fighting spirit of this normally reserved person are really astounding," said Vladislav Tretiak of Mishakov, in the book Kings of the Ice. "In workouts he's possessed and in games he can, if need be, spend five and even 10 shifts on the ice without substitution. And when he is replaced by another player, he'll sit on the bench as if nothing has happened, wink at one guy, nudge another in the ribs as though he has just had a good rest."
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Evgeny Mishakov was not famous for his slick skating or 1-on-1 skills. The most impressive parts of his performance were always his fighting spirit, game discipline, team dedication and determination to win the game. Mishakov was equally strong in defense and offense. His best play was associated with his on-ice partnership with xxx in the initial version of the experimental “torpedo” line created by Anatoly Tarasov.
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10-18-2010, 07:47 PM
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Philadelphia selects LW Yevgeny Mishakov

Bio to come later
It'll be a welcome addition to the Twenty years of Soviet Hockey: 1962 - 1982 thread.

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We are just about halfway through the draft. If a GM can't make time to research and make picks then we could find a replacement. If a team has a co-GM, then lean on them! Whatever we do, let's not be careless with the picks. No one has been careless yet (thankfully), and it's been an honour in this drafts to have so many dedicated GMs, and those who haven't had the time haven't been half-cavalier about it.
That's why I didn't pick this morning, didn't have time to do more than announce, but I didn't believe enough in my immediate options, so I'm doing my research now.

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C Terry Crisp


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1975 Stanley Cup Champion

A defensive specialist who played in 6 Stanley Cup finals (110 playoff games)

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Crisp remained with the Blues until 1972 when the New York Islanders selected him in the Expansion Draft. He played just 54 games with the fledgling team before being traded to the Philadelphia Flyers for Jean Potvin, where the majority of his playing fame was achieved as a member of the famed "Broad Street Bullies." In the 1974 Stanley Cup finals against Boston, it was Crisp's job to shut down the likes of Ken Hodge and Phil Esposito, which he carried out with amazing success.

. On a team known for its rough, and ,at times, dirty play, Crisp was one of the few players with penalty minutes totalling lower than his weight. Crisp spent just 31 minutes in the box in 1974, and that was the most of his eleven-year career, equalled on one other occasion in St. Louis.

Following their stunning Cup upset win over the Bruins, the Flyers were poised to defend their title. In the 1975 finals, Crisp and the other defensive specialists on the Flyers were assigned to shut down the "French Connection" consisting of Gil Perreault, Rick Martin, and Rene Robert. What little got by Crisp and his fellow mates was turned back by goalie Bernie Parent, who won his second Conn Smythe trophy as the MVP of the playoffs.
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Terry Crisp... A defensive specialist who played in 6 Stanley Cup finals (110 playoff games)
That is overwhelming. A penalty killer extrordinaire. He is a marginal ATD pick because of his lack of offense and more importantly, shortage of regular season career games. All things considered, he may be worth an ATD pick as an extra skater, a quality MLD level 4th line starter and a decent AAA 3rd line center.

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over the last three days or so...

stolen from the Queen's shortlist: Lindsay, Crisp, Mondou
taken from the Queen's longlist: Armstrong, Meloche
decidedly not in Queen's plans: A.Golikov, Tucker, Lund, Sykora, O'Neill, Salo
watched to see how far they'd fall: Skvortsov, Marchant, Malakhov
overlooked by Queen's scouting: McCourt, Sheppard, Havlat, Semin, Burr, Ingarfeld, Traub
interesting picks: D.Brown, Brewer, MacIver, Popiel, Mishakov

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Philadelphia listpicks left winger Greg Gilbert
Colorado listpicks defenseman Leo Reise, Sr.

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Johnstown bolsters our defense and selects Defense Anders Eldebrink.

Eldebrink, admittidelly didn't have much NHL success, but we was good in the European leagues. He was one of the better Offensive defenseman of his time in Sweden. He won player of the year honours in Sweden in 1988.

More on Eldebrink can be found here:

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Queen's University selects coach Jacques Martin, three-time Jack Adams trophy finalist, one time coach of the year, 8th all-time in the NHL with 559 wins, four divisional titles, taking the expansion Sens to the playoffs for eight consecutive seasons, coaching the Habs through two improbable upsets on a memorable conference finals run, coaching St. Louis to a divisional title, coaching Guelph to the Memorial Cup. He has said he prefers a puck possession style because the more time the puck is in the offense zone the easier it is to defend; a two-man forecheck, one forward high and two dmen back is often employed by his teams. This Golden Gaels team is designed with him in mind, with each line having two checking-eager skilled players, the forward lines and defensive pairs able to play a more conservative style when protecting a lead.

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This will probably gain me a lot of grief from the Leafs fans here, but... Dmitri Khristich, LW/C



Aside from his disastrous two-year stint in Toronto, he was an all-around workhorse for his teams and ended up with good offensive numbers and extremely impressive adjusted +/- while playing heavy forward minutes on his teams.

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This will probably gain me a lot of grief from the Leafs fans here, but... Dmitri Khristich, LW/C



Aside from his disastrous two-year stint in Toronto, he was an all-around workhorse for his teams and ended up with good offensive numbers and extremely impressive adjusted +/- while playing heavy forward minutes on his teams.
*****, just came on to pick him.

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Winnipeg Selects D Garth Boesch

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1949 NHL

Boesch, who was unique in that he was the only NHLer to regularly wear a moustache during the 1940s, would play 4 years with the Leafs and was an important cog in Toronto's three consecutive championships.

Boesch was partnered defensively with Bill Barilko. The two became famous for the "Maginot Line Knee Drop," as both players would simultaneously drop to their knees to blow enemy shots.


He was one of hockey's most underrated D-men in the history of the game. In fact Boesch is the perfect example of why Hockey's Greatest Legends exists.


EDIT: Is there really that much seperating Bill Barilko and Garth Boesch to warrant a difference of over 600 picks?

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