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10-18-2010, 12:49 PM
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Thanks for your perspective, infidelappel. I agree with you that the Flyers shouldn't be "complacent" about being the runners-up; what I'm aiming at is the notion that the accomplishment of getting to there can't be celebrated at all. Weren't there flashbacks of the series against Boston, as put together by the Flyers org? I don't see it as a black-or-white issue; their finish should be both an encouragement as well as an ache to win it all this year. The two sentiments can coexist.

As for win at all costs, the statement:

certainly endorses that throwing at batters, sliding into bags with their cleats up and getting chippy with sticks is what pro athletes should do. I'll own up to my hypocrisy for enjoying a fight or a punishing check made by my team, but we all set out own boundaries on how far is too far when it comes to winning.
I didn't read it as Jester saying players SHOULD do that. It's just what happens for some when they get super competitive. I just read it as what it is...saying kids should not be doing that, because - for a number of reasons - youth sports just aren't that competitive yet. Firstly, young kids aren't going to get chippy and hack at guys with their sticks because a) the games are tightly enforced, b) people are focusing on the fundamentals of the game and generally the level of play isn't such that your emotions are going to run things, and c) physically, from a maturity level, that level of competitiveness isn't in you as a kid. A kid can be competitive, but unless they just have a bad temper they're not going to have the kind of adrenaline rushes and emotion - and physical power - to do the kind of damaging cheap stuff that competitive players can when it's all on the line for them.

It's not that pro athletes should do that stuff, it's just that - when the level of competition is that high - your emotions get the better of you. That should never, ever happen for kids because of all the reasons I mentioned...it doesn't mean it's okay for adults to do it, it's just absolutely out of place for kids.

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10-18-2010, 12:53 PM
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Thanks, Jester. Like I alluded to my my answer to infidelappel, there's a huge grey area around where we all mark our limits where the goal of winning pushes the boundaries. I'm not advocating school teams where everyone who tries out gets on the team, and the coach plays his/her players based on whom he/she thinks will give the team the best chance to win.

And I was thinking the very same thing about my statement regarding individual sports even while typing, but I included it all the same because it supports that there is value in second place among pro athletes.
But it doesn't really support it as far as the value of competition. Tiger Woods isn't the greatest golfer of his generation because he finishes 2nd a lot. Mickelson got RAGGED for years until he finally won a major (no one cared about the other tourneys he'd won). No one celebrated his 2nd place in the Open in '09... they talked about him choking away 1st.


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That's my point, and beyond that there are numerous instances where the player (probably) wouldn't have been cited for an infraction had he not called it on himself. Thus, win at all costs is not universally embraced.
That's the nature of the sport, however. It's a self-officiated sport... which is a different animal entirely. It's also a sport where viewers can (and have) call in to report a violation, so basically those guys have to be honest (if they're on camera) or they're going to get F'd in the end.

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Didn't it hurt to catch the ball?
When they hit it hard enough.


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10-18-2010, 12:55 PM
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I didn't read it as Jester saying players SHOULD do that. It's just what happens for some when they get super competitive. I just read it as what it is...saying kids should not be doing that, because - for a number of reasons - youth sports just aren't that competitive yet. Firstly, young kids aren't going to get chippy and hack at guys with their sticks because a) the games are tightly enforced, b) people are focusing on the fundamentals of the game and generally the level of play isn't such that your emotions are going to run things, and c) physically, from a maturity level, that level of competitiveness isn't in you as a kid. A kid can be competitive, but unless they just have a bad temper they're not going to have the kind of adrenaline rushes and emotion - and physical power - to do the kind of damaging cheap stuff that competitive players can when it's all on the line for them.

It's not that pro athletes should do that stuff, it's just that - when the level of competition is that high - your emotions get the better of you. That should never, ever happen for kids because of all the reasons I mentioned...it doesn't mean it's okay for adults to do it, it's just absolutely out of place for kids.
Well, the reality is that competition at these levels has these elements... if you're not chippy as a physical defenseman, you're not going to have success in the NHL. If Chris Pronger went out there and played like a Lady Byng candidate, he'd get schooled.

MLB Pitchers need to be prepared to throw at guys... just the nature of the beast at that level.

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10-18-2010, 01:18 PM
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When they hit it hard enough.








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Hey man, just because you don't know programming language...
Guess not.

Side note: How do you know everything? Aren't you a History grad student? haha.

On topic: I do think that 2nd place is worth something, but its crazy how close we came, and without horrible management we would have likely won it all

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10-18-2010, 02:44 PM
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Guess not.

Side note: How do you know everything? Aren't you a History grad student? haha.

On topic: I do think that 2nd place is worth something, but its crazy how close we came, and without horrible management we would have likely won it all
I am... I also have an undergraduate Com Sci engineering degree, and worked as a programmer for a few years before I went back to school.

!= is "not equal to" in all(?) the languages I coded in, thus why I use it for "is not".

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I am... I also have an undergraduate Com Sci engineering degree, and worked as a programmer for a few years before I went back to school.

!= is "not equal to" in all(?) the languages I coded in, thus why I use it for "is not".
Pfft. Nerd.

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It's a lifestyle.

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I am... I also have an undergraduate Com Sci engineering degree, and worked as a programmer for a few years before I went back to school.

!= is "not equal to" in all(?) the languages I coded in, thus why I use it for "is not".
Yeah makes sense. I haven't done any programming. I was more so just mimicking the equals sing with a slash through it that means not equal to. I am a nerd too, I wasn't meaning any insult I was just surprised you knew programming.

If we view a sports team as an company trying to make the most money possible, obviously coming first in the league is the best for that goal. However I still think the flyers coming second must have created loads of revenue for the Flyers (or Comcast), besides the 4 rounds of home games. Especially with the magical 3-0 comeback

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It's a lifestyle.
Indeed. I hated it in the 80's, but thanks to the 90's and the internet it's great now.

Also, it's a great candy.

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Yeah makes sense. I haven't done any programming. I was more so just mimicking the equals sing with a slash through it that means not equal to

If we view a sports team as an company trying to make the most money possible, obviously coming first in the league is the best for that goal. However I still think the flyers coming second must have created loads of revenue for the Flyers (or Comcast), besides the 4 rounds of home games. Especially with the magical 3-0 comeback
From a business perspective, last year was immensely successful for the Flyers.

Of course, I don't particularly care if they make or lose money.

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From a business perspective, last year was immensely successful for the Flyers.

Of course, I don't particularly care if they make or lose money.
Yeah me neither. I was honestly so disgusted when we lost (due to Leighton and such) that I barely followed hockey this summer. As a fan its so tough to lose like that, but I still think I prefer that to not getting close.

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Yeah me neither. I was honestly so disgusted when we lost (due to Leighton and such) that I barely followed hockey this summer. As a fan its so tough to lose like that, but I still think I prefer that to not getting close.
Of course.

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I am... I also have an undergraduate Com Sci engineering degree, and worked as a programmer for a few years before I went back to school.

!= is "not equal to" in all(?) the languages I coded in, thus why I use it for "is not".
I need some help with some SAS code i an writing, want to finish it for me?

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I am... I also have an undergraduate Com Sci engineering degree, and worked as a programmer for a few years before I went back to school.

!= is "not equal to" in all(?) the languages I coded in, thus why I use it for "is not".
FWIW, I have yet to encounter a language that doesn't use !=.

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It's a lifestyle.
Being a nerd sounds more like escapism to me.

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Haha!

I was thinking there was actually an update on Walker's injury.

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Matt Walker's ruined groin has inspired a discussion on the meaning of life, and sports' place in it. That's a profound groin..

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Matt Walker's ruined groin has inspired a discussion on the meaning of life, and sports' place in it. That's a profound groin..
No groin, no matter how profound, is worth 1.7 million dollars, except one's own.

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Tell that to Ian Laperriere. I mean, seriously?

It's an entertainment industry, sure... but it isn't theater. That's real blood, ya know?
tell that to mick foley or brett hart.

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tell that to mick foley or brett hart.
A stunt gone wrong... is still a stunt. Sure, wrestling is dangerous... but it's staged. Being a stunt man (which is essentially what wrestlers are) is a dangerous job.

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http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=337947

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Philadelphia, PA (Sports Network) - The Philadelphia Flyers announced that defenseman Matt Walker will undergo surgery on his right hip and be out 10- to-12 weeks.

The procedure to repair a boney impingement and a torn labrum will take place in Nashville on Wednesday and be performed by Dr. Thomas Byrd.
http://www.csnphilly.com/10/19/10/Fl...428&feedID=695

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The news on reserve defenseman Matt Walker was every bit as bad as Flyers’ general manager Paul Holmgren painted it last week.

Walker will undergo surgery to repair a torn labrum in his right hip, as well as, a “boney impingement,” Holmgren said Tuesday. The surgery is scheduled for Wednesday in Nashville, Tenn., by noted orthopedic and hip specialist, Thomas Byrd.

Walker, who was the seventh or eighth defenseman in training camp depending on what day it was, will miss 10-12 weeks, Holmgren said.
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/frequentflyers/

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Matt Walker probably could have planned umpteen better introductions to the Flyers.

But those formal re-introductions will have to wait at least 10 to 12 weeks, as the newly acquired defenseman will undergo hip surgery Tuesday in Nashville, Tenn., to repair a nagging injury.

“Matt Walker will undergo surgery on his right hip [Tuesday] to repair a boney impingement and a torn labrum,” general manager Paul Holmgren said in a statement. “The surgery will take place in Nashville and will be performed by Dr. Thomas Byrd. Matt is expected to be out of action for 10-12 weeks.”

Walker, who was acquired from Tampa Bay on July 19 with a 4th round pick in exchange for Simon Gagne, had yet to play in the regular season because of his injury.

Walker, 30, had experienced pain prior to his fight with Matt Kassian on Sat. Sept. 25 in a non-televised preseason game in Minnesota. Walker said he got tangled up with Kassian and fell awkwardly, knowing then that he would probably need something done to fix the pain.


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rofl

Whenever Homer makes an injury time-line, you might as well just peg on like 10 weeks on to it because you know he's either not letting it sound as bad as it is or he doesn't know what he's talking about.

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He tore his labrum? You have to be kidding me.

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