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05-07-2005, 01:52 PM
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What the hell is your problem kid? Every post you either attack me or chooch or Lafleur. Get a life.

No, you call people idiot and hijack every thread on this board. Your wild inconsistencies suggest you calling people "kid" is a bit much, too.

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05-07-2005, 02:31 PM
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What the hell is your problem kid? Every post you either attack me or chooch or Lafleur. Get a life.
A review if we will....

Did I ever tell you you're a moron? Guys you wanna know the truth? I'm... 5!! OK IM 5 Damit

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Yet another stupid statement


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I didnt ignore that stupid post. I replied to it in the 100 greatest players thread when he posted the same thing.


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Wow same referees who let some Bruin player bust Rocket wide open with his stick and dont call a damn thing and on top of that they try to stop rocket from getting his revenge on the sob. As far as I'm concerned that ref deserved it!
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Very funny you idiot.
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Did you even watch the montreal series rather then watching clips 25 years later? Better yet were you even 5 when it happened?

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And you're the biggest idiot this board has ever seen.

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Look man how dumb are you?

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Oh yeah what an idiot. You put the 81-82 where Oilers only played in 5 games losing to the kings so that the numbers will work in your favor. And that's not trying to find a way to work in your favor


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If I was you I would shut my hole because you havent seen Guy play period. I've seen everyone play live in the past 35.

Gee, I guess I should be kinder and gentler, like yourself in these clips above..

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05-07-2005, 02:57 PM
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What the hell is your problem kid? Every post you either attack me or chooch or Lafleur. Get a life.

and from the kind and benevolent chooch

hilarious!

You never saw a Broadstreet Bullies game did you? Here's a clue: they werent called the Broadstreet Bodyguards.

Anyway - answer the question which you refuse to answer because you 're afraid it'll tell you something about 99.

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who said anything about fighting? do I have to explain everything slowly to you two?
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You also know pudding about hockey.
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Maybe you shoudl watch one in your lifetime.

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I hate when people are irrational and unquestioning - that was the point of the thread after all in case you missed that also. It wasnt to hate 99. It was to question unlike trained chimps.


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You better get out your hanky Dr Moses:


I hope we can all learn something from his kindness.

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05-07-2005, 03:42 PM
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and from the kind and benevolent chooch

hilarious!

You never saw a Broadstreet Bullies game did you? Here's a clue: they werent called the Broadstreet Bodyguards.

Anyway - answer the question which you refuse to answer because you 're afraid it'll tell you something about 99.

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who said anything about fighting? do I have to explain everything slowly to you two?
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You also know pudding about hockey.
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Maybe you shoudl watch one in your lifetime.

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I hate when people are irrational and unquestioning - that was the point of the thread after all in case you missed that also. It wasnt to hate 99. It was to question unlike trained chimps.


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You better get out your hanky Dr Moses:


I hope we can all learn something from his kindness.
ACtually those arent that bad.

For examples of what youre looking for read your own posts although if you didnt you would join all the others on this site.

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05-07-2005, 03:49 PM
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When I was about 9, I was arguing hockey with a kid named Steve who happened to be a big Booby Hull fan. Since I was unable or unwilling to give credit to anyone outside the CH org., I told him that Bobby Hull was no good defensively.[I couldn't think of anything else] He promptly told me that 'He's not a defensive player, you idiot'. I haven't seen that Steve guy in about 40 years, but I assume he knew he was right.
u framed your argument all wrong 40 years ago- Bpbby Hull stood up for himself and didnt need no help in teh corners, protection etcbut he has weak defensively (see Canada Cup 76 - never got on teh ice with bowman)

ps. I admitetd 99 was the 2nd best offensive player of his generation

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05-07-2005, 03:52 PM
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I think that K10 and chooch go a little overboard with the Gretzky bashing because if anyone utters the slightest word against him people come out in droves to say that you're wrong and he's perfect.
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05-07-2005, 03:56 PM
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ACtually those arent that bad.

For examples of what youre looking for read your own posts although if you didnt you would join all the others on this site.
Sure thing, champ.

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05-07-2005, 04:17 PM
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Sure thing, champ.
youre a tuff poodle r ya

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youre a tuff poodle r ya
No, not so tough at all.... Polite, yes. Tough, no.... then I don't think the measure of a man is how tough he is on the internet.

Maybe you should attend the Anastasia-Priscilla school of etiquette, it's been very helpful to many..

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I don't know that I've ever seen a complete hockey player. Every one I've seen has been missing something...

...usually, teeth.

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I don't know that I've ever seen a complete hockey player. Every one I've seen has been missing something...

...usually, teeth.

Not Anastasia-Priscilla's pearly white toothed owner Mike Modano!! He has perfect teeth, you silly devil

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05-07-2005, 06:42 PM
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Yeah, he's got some purty chompers. Unfortunately, old horse-face is missing something too (I mean, aside from a bearable mug): a backbone and testicles.

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No, you call people idiot and hijack every thread on this board. Your wild inconsistencies suggest you calling people "kid" is a bit much, too.
Oh yeah I hijack threads? And you bring your bodyguards with you to support your girlfriend gretzky. Funny you're just like 99 you need bodyguards

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05-07-2005, 08:24 PM
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Next thing you will tell me is that Gretzky would be no better than, say, Steve Sullivan in today's league.

Don't be ridiculous. Steve Sullivan is waaaay faster.

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Oh yeah I hijack threads? And you bring your bodyguards with you to support your girlfriend gretzky. Funny you're just like 99 you need bodyguards
Keep the personal insults rolling, they're endearing...

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Keep the personal insults rolling, they're endearing...
Go check out the "Message to Everyone" thread I posted. Please, please let's stop this flaming war.

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right now id say lehtinen, alltime I dunno
I don't think defensive specialists like Lehtinen can be considered the "best all-round" players. for whatever reason, many people see a lack of defensive play as a flaw, but a lack of offensive talent is excusable.

Lehtinen is top-notch defensively, but simply decent offensively. There's numerous players in the league right now who are excellent offensive players and good in their own end as well.

personally, i would always take a top offensive player before a top defensive player, just because it's a lot easier to find (or create) good defensive forwards than it is to find talented offensive ones.

anyways, trying not to get too off topic

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BOBBY ORR
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Skated like the wind
Was the best playmaker in the league
Scored many many key goals
Fought his own fights
Checked aggresively and smartly
Captained a Stanley Cup (2) winning team
Blocked many shots as well
Great in all three zones
Won the Hart, Art Ross, Conn Smythe and Norris in one year (people thought he deserved the Vezina too since he blocked so many shots)

No one else comes even close

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Esa Tikkanen.

He even was taking key face-offs at centre for the Capitals on their run to the Finals. Washington's coach said he did all the little things to get them there.

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BOBBY ORR
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Skated like the wind
Was the best playmaker in the league
Scored many many key goals
Fought his own fights
Checked aggresively and smartly
Captained a Stanley Cup (2) winning team
Blocked many shots as well
Great in all three zones
Won the Hart, Art Ross, Conn Smythe and Norris in one year (people thought he deserved the Vezina too since he blocked so many shots)

No one else comes even close
best player ever

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The most complete player I think (I never saw him in person) was Gordie Howe. I am only making my observation from film though. I was thinking about Orr but I'm not sure that he had all the aspects covered, I think he lacked the physical presence. The most complete player I've personally seen and I was actually never a huge fan while he was playing, was Ray Bourque. He could play tough "D" or play offense. He could stay at home or lead the rush, he could protect the "skill guys" even though he was a skill guy himself. Now that I read my description of Bourque it sounds like Clark Gilles, he could score or play "D" or beat the crap out of you.........ah hell, flip a coin and pick one, I can't.
Orr could really hit and was a punishing bodychecker. Also as Don S. Cherry has noted on many ocassions he could throw them with the best. Orr was challenged early in his career but won virtually all his fights. He was over 100 PIM's in five seasons. Orr was also a shot blocker par excellence. I would rate him the best skater of all time. There may have been a few who were faster in a straight away competiton but no one could put it into overdrive faster than #4

The most complete player has to be Gordie Howe - hands down (or elbows up). Orr is a close second.

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Orr could really hit and was a punishing bodychecker. Also as Don S. Cherry has noted on many ocassions he could throw them with the best. Orr was challenged early in his career but won virtually all his fights. He was over 100 PIM's in five seasons. Orr was also a shot blocker par excellence. I would rate him the best skater of all time. There may have been a few who were faster in a straight away competiton but no one could put it into overdrive faster than #4

The most complete player has to be Gordie Howe - hands down (or elbows up). Orr is a close second.
Orr was fairly tough, but if he was hit the Bruins wouldn`t be shy about sending someone over to have a "chat" with the guy who did it, especially in `74-`75 when Cherry was the coach. Orr was also much better defensively than he ever received credit for. If the Bruins pulled the goalie for an extra attacker and the other team gained puck possession, Orr would often quickly slide back to the goalie crease and "play goal"; you rarely see anyone do that. I`ve seen several articles from that era where writers would criticize Orr for not playing defensively enough. Almost as ridiculous as the claims that Gretzky scored so many points because of his linemates, but we won`t get into that. We`re trying to be nice to each other.

Gordie Howe. What can you say? If he never hit anybody he would still be a legend because of his scoring. If he couldn`t score he would still be a legend because of his toughness. It`s beyond incredible that he could combine it all, and amazingly do it for so long. Did the doctors inject him with some superhuman drug after he almost died in the Ted Kennedy incident? No normal person could have achieved what he did.

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Orr could really hit and was a punishing bodychecker. Also as Don S. Cherry has noted on many ocassions he could throw them with the best. Orr was challenged early in his career but won virtually all his fights. He was over 100 PIM's in five seasons. Orr was also a shot blocker par excellence. I would rate him the best skater of all time. There may have been a few who were faster in a straight away competiton but no one could put it into overdrive faster than #4

The most complete player has to be Gordie Howe - hands down (or elbows up). Orr is a close second.

I'll give you the Orr vote. I was on the fence about him because I only saw the bad knees Orr live and the "original" on tape so I didn't have all the info. I did vote for him in a thread for the greatest player of all time though over Gretz because he had the whole package.

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BOBBY ORR
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Skated like the wind
Was the best playmaker in the league
Scored many many key goals
Fought his own fights
Checked aggresively and smartly
Captained a Stanley Cup (2) winning team
Blocked many shots as well
Great in all three zones
Won the Hart, Art Ross, Conn Smythe and Norris in one year (people thought he deserved the Vezina too since he blocked so many shots)

No one else comes even close
Bobby!

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My list goes like this. First off its Howe, then Trottier. Howe just did everything. He won four straight scoring titles but believe it or not he may be remembered better for his toughness. Trottier was good at everything too. But my nod goes to Howe.

On defense you'd have to say Orr, followed very, I mean very closely by Harvey. After that Robinson and Potvin round out the top 4. Harvye always gets lost in the mix of best d-men ever let alone most complete. If Orr had never been born Harvey would be #1 of all time.

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