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10-20-2010, 11:43 AM
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UFAs / Roster Changes/ Trades / Deadline Discussion 2011?

I was looking at the UFA for next year and I love Backes.

I would love if the ducks could use the money/cap from Teemu and sign Backes next season. That would give us a LEGIT 3 scoring lines with his centering the second line and letting koivu move to the third line as age kicks in.

He is making 2.5 right now and I would not be apposed to signing him to a 5 year 4-5 contract. 5 is pushing it but lets face it... we dont have any promising centers that look to be as good as Backes and we need secondary scoring since we are gonna be loosing Teemu.

Beleskey-Getzlaf-Perry
Ryan-Backes-Sexton
Blake-Koivu-Lupul

Also take into account that we still will have plenty of money/cap after signing him to sign a good defender assuming our budget goes up with the cap going up.

Vis-Fowler(assuming he progresses)/lydman
Sutton/UFA-Fowler/Lydman

Also I am confident that Sbisa will get his speed back and be ready next year.

Just bored this morning and wanted to know what you guys think about this.

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Waaaaaaaay to early to start speculating about free agents.

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Waaaaaaaay to early to start speculating about free agents.
no its notttttt.

Its never too early.

I'm already worried about fowler's first year of UFA

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He is making 2.5 right now and I would not be apposed to signing him to a 5 year 4-5 contract. 5 is pushing it but lets face it... we dont have any promising centers that look to be as good as Backes and we need secondary scoring since we are gonna be loosing Teemu.
I like Backes, but do we really need another 5 million dollar forward (we already have a few of those).

Now if we could somehow sign him for about 3 mil...

His assists to goals is pretty low, seems like more of a power winger than a true center.

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With the lower UFA age, teams tend to overpay for the 27-28 year olds because they are entering their prime. Backes fits that this time.

2010:

Hamhuis
Michalek
Volchenkov

2011:

Backes
Semin
Upshall
Pitkanen
Ehrhoff
Mark Stuart

Do the Ducks need to get into a bidding war for any of these guys?


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I think the Blues re-sign him before he hits FA. Boom, there's my boring speculation.

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I like Backes, but do we really need another 5 million dollar forward (we already have a few of those).

Now if we could somehow sign him for about 3 mil...

His assists to goals is pretty low, seems like more of a power winger than a true center.
5 Mil is not that big of a contract considering the cap will keep going up.

We can use the money from blakes contract for getzlaf and perry's raises.

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First off Backes plays RW right? So what makes you think he can make the jump to center? Ryan failed and unless i'm mistaking I don't see why you just think you can plug him in there. Secondly, Holland should definitely make the jump next year and will most likely take the reigns of 2nd line center duties. Holland comes much cheaper (ELC). Sure I'd love to have Backes but it's just not realistic. Like stated above his price tag will be to high and I believe the Backes and the Blues have begun a new contract talks. Highly doubt he leaves St. Louis

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First off Backes plays RW right? So what makes you think he can make the jump to center? Ryan failed and unless i'm mistaking I don't see why you just think you can plug him in there. Secondly, Holland should definitely make the jump next year and will most likely take the reigns of 2nd line center duties. Holland comes much cheaper (ELC). Sure I'd love to have Backes but it's just not realistic. Like stated above his price tag will be to high and I believe the Backes and the Blues have begun a new contract talks. Highly doubt he leaves St. Louis
I'm pretty sure that Backes is a natural center.

Bobby has not played center since he was like 14 and Backes has atleast played it in the pros.

Believe me, I would LOVE for Holland to develope similar to Getzlaf and do great but I think he needs atleast 1 year in the A. So he wont be here until Koivu is a UFA again and we will be putting alot on the basis that Holland can play that 2nd line center role.

I'm not saying that WE HAVE TO DO THIS lol

It was just a thought but I see I'm on the minority here.

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I'm pretty sure that Backes is a natural center.

Bobby has not played center since he was like 14 and Backes has atleast played it in the pros.

Believe me, I would LOVE for Holland to develope similar to Getzlaf and do great but I think he needs atleast 1 year in the A. So he wont be here until Koivu is a UFA again and we will be putting alot on the basis that Holland can play that 2nd line center role.

I'm not saying that WE HAVE TO DO THIS lol

It was just a thought but I see I'm on the minority here.

Don't get me wrong I'd love to have him on my team everyday of the week. I just don't see it happening any day of the week. lol

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BTW let me make it clear that I dont think Backes is worth 5 mil but he is a UFA and thats what happens.

I see him more of a 4 mil player MAX but the fact is the market could raise the price by over a mil

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Assuming Teemu retires we still have:

Lupul(4.325)-Getz(5.325)-Perry(5.325)
Blake(4) - Koivu (2.5) - Ryan (5.1)
Beleksey(.7375) - Chipchura (?.65) - Sexton (?.75)
Bodie(?.5) - ???? - Parros (.875)
30.0875

Vis (5.6) - Lydman (3)
Fowler (1.4) - Sutton (2.125)
Sbisa (??1) - Brookbank (.75)
13.875

Hiller (4.5)
4.5

If they have a ? before the number they are a UFA and i game them similar to what they are making this year. But i put Sbisa at 1 mill since he might get a small raise. That leaves us at about 48.5 mill still needing 2 forwards, a defender, and a backup goalie. If we fill in the goalie spot with a 600k backup, and have Newton or another rookie on the backend that leaves us with around 50 mill spent. We would have around 5-6 mill to fill in the 2 forward spots so we would have the money.

However the problem it would create would be a few years down the line. We know Getz is due for a big raise, and Perry will likely get a small one too. Fowler will be making alot more then 1.4 by then, and who knows how much our other prospects will be making. I would rather spend the extra cap space on a good 3rd liner and give Bonino a chance on the 2nd line. Something like this:

Beleskey-Getz-Perry
Lupul-Bonino-Ryan
Blake-Koivu-UFA
Bodie-Chipchura-Parros
Sexton

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I like Backes, but I'd rather try to sign a D-man if we can.

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Assuming Teemu retires we still have:

Lupul(4.325)-Getz(5.325)-Perry(5.325)
Blake(4) - Koivu (2.5) - Ryan (5.1)
Beleksey(.7375) - Chipchura (?.65) - Sexton (?.75)
Bodie(?.5) - ???? - Parros (.875)
30.0875

Vis (5.6) - Lydman (3)
Fowler (1.4) - Sutton (2.125)
Sbisa (??1) - Brookbank (.75)
13.875

Hiller (4.5)
4.5

If they have a ? before the number they are a UFA and i game them similar to what they are making this year. But i put Sbisa at 1 mill since he might get a small raise. That leaves us at about 48.5 mill still needing 2 forwards, a defender, and a backup goalie. If we fill in the goalie spot with a 600k backup, and have Newton or another rookie on the backend that leaves us with around 50 mill spent. We would have around 5-6 mill to fill in the 2 forward spots so we would have the money.

However the problem it would create would be a few years down the line. We know Getz is due for a big raise, and Perry will likely get a small one too. Fowler will be making alot more then 1.4 by then, and who knows how much our other prospects will be making. I would rather spend the extra cap space on a good 3rd liner and give Bonino a chance on the 2nd line. Something like this:

Beleskey-Getz-Perry
Lupul-Bonino-Ryan
Blake-Koivu-UFA
Bodie-Chipchura-Parros
Sexton

Blake's 4 mil can be split up 3 ways to getzlaf perry and fowler/sbisa

2 mil to getzlaf, 1 mil to perry and 1 mil to fowler/sbisa

I dont think Getzlaf will make us pay him a full 7 or 7.5 and I hope he takes a discount

ALSO Marchant can be replaced next year by Macaneuer and voros is also gonna be gone. thats another 2.5

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Vis-Fowler(assuming he progresses)/lydman
Sutton/UFA-Fowler/Lydman
No matter how Fowler progresses, he paired with Vis is disaster.

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No matter how Fowler progresses, he paired with Vis is disaster.
regardless....

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Add another 4-6 million dollar forward? Yay, more bargain D hunting!

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Add another 4-6 million dollar forward? Yay, more bargain D hunting!
4-6?

more like 4-4.5 haha

You guys fail to remember that we have alot of people coming off the books in the next 2 or 3 years that we will probably not resign or for alot less.

Lupul, Marchant, Blake, Mara and lilja

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also who do you want us to sign in UFA for defense in the next year???

Most of the guys will be resigned or are old. there is not much to pick from.

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I think we aren't in the UFA game for the next two years. With the youth we have piling in to the system I would bet management will want to try and integrate them into the lineup. We have palmieri, bonino, deschamps, McMillan, macenauer... All will be getting tastes/have tasted the big time. Our top 6 is set up until after next season and it will probably stay that way.

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4-6?

more like 4-4.5 haha

You guys fail to remember that we have alot of people coming off the books in the next 2 or 3 years that we will probably not resign or for alot less.

Lupul, Marchant, Blake, Mara and lilja
It's UFA, you never know how high it might go. And if the cap does rise as much as you imply, then he could well be getting high 5s.

A couple of offseasons ago Gionta got 5. Booth and Lucic got 4.25 and 4.08. I don't think it's that much of a stretch.

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1. Fowler looks beter even with Mara, than with Vis. I can`t find any sense to put together Cam and Lubo.

2. Yes, in next few couple of years a lot ar going off the books. I can`t find sense here either. man maybe it`s my time zone (2.00 am), but you want to say that in 2013 Getz and Pears are going off the books and we`ll have 10+ m free cap space? My point is - if someone`s leaving, you gotta find replacement, that probably`ll cost as much as the first one.

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Backes will likely be signed to an extension before he hits free agency anyways. Just saying...

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Speculation about Backes is ridiculous at this point. How about we speculate on what defensemen we can get to improve this team?

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Speculation about Backes is ridiculous at this point. How about we speculate on what defensemen we can get to improve this team?
such as who?

what ufa would u want??

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