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10-20-2010, 12:57 PM
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At least Meszaros can play at even strength, play the PP, play the PK, step into the top 4 if needed. It was still a bad trade, but he isnt useless
He's not... it's just committing to too much cap space at one position... especially when you don't have a real goalie, and are trying to field three scoring lines. If they went big on D, and then signed a cheaper true 3rd line C guy and went from there, then it makes a bit more sense in any evaluation of Holmgren's "plan".

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He's not... it's just committing to too much cap space at one position... especially when you don't have a real goalie, and are trying to field three scoring lines. If they went big on D, and then signed a cheaper true 3rd line C guy and went from there, then it makes a bit more sense in any evaluation of Holmgren's "plan".
Faceoff specialist? I miss the days of the Podein-Otto-Klatt Minnesota line.

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Faceoff specialist? I miss the days of the Podein-Otto-Klatt Minnesota line.
I've been asking for one for three years now.

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I've been asking for one for three years now.
Might need to ask Homer and not Santa.

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Faceoff specialist? I miss the days of the Podein-Otto-Klatt Minnesota line.
I would have loved to have seen a couple moves and bring in Malhotra as a UFA. Leino-Malhotra-Hartnell as your 3rd line and I would be happy with a legit goalie and some more scoring depth on the wings in the top 6.

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I would have loved to have seen a couple moves and bring in Malhotra as a UFA. Leino-Malhotra-Hartnell as your 3rd line and I would be happy with a legit goalie and some more scoring depth on the wings in the top 6.
I still don't see why we can't just let Richards be our 3rd line center... he scores better when he generates offense through his defense than when actually having to setup in the offensive zone anyway.

Hartnell-Richards-Carcillo would be an effective 3rd line, imo.

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I still don't see why we can't just let Richards be our 3rd line center... he scores better when he generates offense through his defense than when actually having to setup in the offensive zone anyway.

Hartnell-Richards-Carcillo would be an effective 3rd line, imo.
Hartnell is too stupid to be put in that kind of role, Carcillo would get called for every little thing. That line wouldnt work at all.

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Hartnell is too stupid to be put in that kind of role, Carcillo would get called for every little thing. That line wouldnt work at all.
Carcillo would actually probably get called for less if he was on a line with Hartnell, since Hartnell is ALWAYS doing some stupid **** that could be called for a penalty... it would take the ref's attention away from Carcillo.

Solid logic, eh?

Seriously, though, that line would be one of the better lines in the league at playing dump and chases and crashing the crease, imo, and as far as defensive ability Hartnell is pretty decent, it is his retarded turnovers that make him look terrible... unfortunately none of our other wingers are known for their defensive prowess.

If only we had a two-way forward who we could pair with Richards that would put up 60 points a season while playing a very smart, positional defensive game... does such a player even exist?!

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10-20-2010, 01:45 PM
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I still don't see why we can't just let Richards be our 3rd line center... he scores better when he generates offense through his defense than when actually having to setup in the offensive zone anyway.

Hartnell-Richards-Carcillo would be an effective 3rd line, imo.
I could not agree with you more in regards to Richards. Where does Richards make the most impact? On the PK/PP and his defensive center play. When he is not asked to be the guy to produce points he is a better overall ev/TOI player. You could even replace Carcillo with either Powe or even Nodl I guess, not my first choice but....

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I could not agree with you more in regards to Richards. Where does Richards make the most impact? On the PK/PP and his defensive center play. When he is not asked to be the guy to produce points he is a better overall ev/TOI player. You could even replace Carcillo with either Powe or even Nodl I guess, not my first choice but....
To be quite honest, at ES Richards often looks out of place when attempting to setup in the offensive zone and takes poor shots on net just because he seems like he doesn't know what to do with the puck. ES in-zone play is one of his few flaws, imo.

I like Carcillo more in that spot because then that entire line has the take the body first mentality that could potentially be tough to play against.

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To be quite honest, at ES Richards often looks out of place when attempting to setup in the offensive zone and takes poor shots on net just because he seems like he doesn't know what to do with the puck. ES in-zone play is one of his few flaws, imo.

I like Carcillo more in that spot because then that entire line has the take the body first mentality that could potentially be tough to play against.
Ah, yeah, that's largely because he's gotten saddled with the not so talented crew and carried their ***** at even strength for stretches. Particularly last year, when he had Carcillo and the not-so-good Gagne for most of the year. When he's had talented wings performing well, he's looked quite good offensively at even strength.

There's just only so much you can get done with guys like Carcillo riding shotgun.

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To be quite honest, at ES Richards often looks out of place when attempting to setup in the offensive zone and takes poor shots on net just because he seems like he doesn't know what to do with the puck. ES in-zone play is one of his few flaws, imo.

I like Carcillo more in that spot because then that entire line has the take the body first mentality that could potentially be tough to play against.
I agree on both counts, both Richards and Carcillo play better when they do not think about offense. If Carcillo is expected to just skate around the not handle the puck he is fine and then every once and awhile he surprises you with one of those highlite reel goals.

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10-20-2010, 05:14 PM
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Meszaros is higher paid than Carle and Coburn, so what is your point? Carcillo makes equal money and I have not really seen him do much with more minutes.
I didn't like the Meszaros trade, either. Holmgren has added way too much money to the cap long-term when we have big players needing new deals.

However, at least there's a chance Meszaros pans out and earns that money. There's no chance Shelley is ever worth $1.1M on our cap. There's no way to justify him being the 7th highest paid forward on the ice each night when he plays 4 minutes.

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I really hope JVR and Giroux are with Richards tomorrow. He deserves some talent with him (that can play wing)

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Nope. I think he could have kept Gagne, traded Carter for one of LA's goalies and a winger or J Johnson, signed O'Donnell, Shelley, let Zherdev play in the KHL. Just my .02 cents.

Quick nor Bernier were available.

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Quick nor Bernier were available.
and really Ersberg isnt either. He is down in Manchester for the season. There isnt any chance LA puts him on re-entry waivers. He would get claimed quickly even tho He is average at best goalie. If Bernier or Quick get injured Zatkoff gets the call.

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and really Ersberg isnt either. He is down in Manchester for the season. There isnt any chance LA puts him on re-entry waivers. He would get claimed quickly even tho He is average at best goalie. If Bernier or Quick get injured Zatkoff gets the call.
Not arguing with you, just not sure...when a player is called up to replace and injured guy do they still have to clear waivers?

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and really Ersberg isnt either. He is down in Manchester for the season. There isnt any chance LA puts him on re-entry waivers. He would get claimed quickly even tho He is average at best goalie. If Bernier or Quick get injured Zatkoff gets the call.
I predict that he'll be out of Manchester by Christmas.

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Quick nor Bernier were available.
If Homer had knocked on Lombardi's door and told him he had Jeff Carter available I can guarantee that he could have had one of the two considering they still had Ersberg who got waived and is a decent backup and they had been trying to sign Kovalchuk during the summer, so they were looking for scoring.

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I predict that he'll be out of Manchester by Christmas.
we will see. I think hes going be like when we had Labarbera.

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Yeah I dont see Ersberg coming up to anyone. If someone wanted him they would have grabbed him on waivers the first time.

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If Homer had knocked on Lombardi's door and told him he had Jeff Carter available I can guarantee that he could have had one of the two considering they still had Ersberg who got waived and is a decent backup and they had been trying to sign Kovalchuk during the summer, so they were looking for scoring.
Anyone can be available if you have enough people you're willing to trade. If not, then no, they were not available. Lombardi was not and is not going to trade either one of them until at least after they've both had at least one season in the NHL together.

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Yeah I dont see Ersberg coming up to anyone. If someone wanted him they would have grabbed him on waivers the first time.
Wasn't the issue with him being claimed going down is that he would have to stay on the roster for the season? I would assume if he was pulled back up later in the season a team who might have reevaluated their goalie situation might see Ersberg as a decent option to backup? $750,000 and a UFA next season, so if say the Flyers put a claim on him it would only cost them $325,000 towards the cap this season and could let him go or retain him if needed after the season. It is a win-win.

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Anyone can be available if you have enough people you're willing to trade. If not, then no, they were not available. Lombardi was not and is not going to trade either one of them until at least after they've both had at least one season in the NHL together.
Round and round we go......so if Homer offered Jeff Carter for Quick and Williams you are saying Lombardi would say no?

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