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10-22-2010, 08:01 AM
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Regina listpicks right winger Howie Meeker

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Queen's University select a goalie who knows how to play backup and come in and win a big game in 17-season NHL veteran Don Beaupre. The Calder trophy finalist went to the NHL all-star game his rookie season as the youngest ever starting netminder. He went on to win 268 NHL games with 17 shutouts and a decent 33 NHL playoff wins. He started in two NHL all-star games (1981, 1992).



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Reads plays well. Very quick hands and feet; stacks pads well. A combative performer, who defends his crease with "uncommon ferocity"
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Don Beaupre: in a 1981 Stanley Cup final elimination game, a 19-year-old rookie goaltender shines on home ice.(The Game I'll Never Forget)
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Between February 6 and March 19, 1986, Don won fourteen consecutive decisions for the Minnesota North Stars. The streak ended on March 21, but it's hard to fault Don, who stopped fifty of fifty-five shots in a 5-4 overtime defeat in Edmonton against the two-time defending champion Edmonton Oilers.
On February 6, 1995, Don stopped all 34 Philadelphia shots he faced in a 3-0 Ottawa victory over the Flyers. It was the first shutout for the (modern) Ottawa Senators franchise.
Although Beaupre's name appears to be French, he is German by descent.
Don describes the Minnesota North Stars' trip to the 1981 Stanley Cup Final as the highlight of his career. "That's always got to be the highlight - if you get to the final. I'm just sorry it happened my first year. That's the ultimate goal as a professional, to win it all. It's got to be your best moment, even above individual games and all-star games."
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10-22-2010, 10:08 AM
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Glad to get Meeker. He was a decent NHL scorer whose career was wrecked by an injury. A good checker and tough player, he may have ended up as the 1950s answer to Dick Duff. Contributed to four Toronto Stanley Cups.

Beaupre and Potvin were the guys it really came down to when I wanted a starting goalie. Beaupre is a player I severely underrated in the past. He ended up with two more wins than Potvin and two fewer playoff wins. He got decent Vezina consideration - 4, 4, 6, 7. And his save percentage finishes from the pre-recorded era are solid: 5, 7, 7, 8, 10. When averaged out with Potvin based on league size and league average, their save percentage finishes and career totals are almost identical. It was in the playoffs where Potvin rose above. His save percentage relative to the league average over his career was +.005, 22nd out of 56 goalies with 2000+ playoff minutes through 2009. Beaupre was 52nd at -.008. But getting into 2000+ playoff minutes is an accomplishment in itself, and the goalies Beaupre is ahead of are Peeters, Vernon, Bouchard, and Giacomin.

edit: Actually, Beaupre had about the same number of good seasons as Potvin, but a few of his bad seasons were really stinky. I'm glad I chose Potvin for sure:

I weighted their save percentages each season against the league average, and it turns out Beaupre's weighted career average was -.003 in the regular season, and Potvin's was +.002. Over a career, those five points are pretty significant.

However, I didn't really like that comparison for Beaupre because it weighs his 1992-1995 seasons more heavily, and in those seasons he was at his worst and played a higher percentage of the schedule as that was the way the league was starting to go. Also, being 10 points above or below the average is more significant when the average is .905 than when it's .885. So I did some more work.

I "normalized" their GP compared to the GP of the top-10 starters every year to reflect the starting goalie trends... didn't do anything. I guess this wasn't as much of a factor as I thought. Potvin still came out at +.002 and Beaupre now at -.002. I then re-ran the numbers with appropriate dead puck era weighting for when sv% began to skyrocket... still no change.

Oh well. There's my goalie analysis of the day. Two good goalies, Potvin comes out on top.


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10-22-2010, 10:55 AM
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Rucchin started the 1994-95 campaign with the San Diego Gulls of the IHL. But his impressive play won him a permanent spot on the Ducks' rosters midway through the season. Since that time, he has established himself as a versatile NHLer with sound hockey instincts, good puck control, and a willingness to work his own end and the corners to good effect. In 2002-03 Rucchin surpassed 500 games played and helped the Ducks reach the Stanley Cup Final, only to lose in a hard-fought seven game series to the New Jersey Devils.

Coming off a Stanley Cup run the previous year, the Ducks struggled in 2003-04, yet Rucchin continued his strong play on the ice, finishing the season with 43 points (20-23-43) and at the same time reaching the 400-point plateau.
- excellent adjusted +/- of +96
- a prolific PP and PK player who also has 0.53 ES PPG
- received Selke votes multiple times, topping out at 7th, and also amassed solid Byng record

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10-22-2010, 11:05 AM
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Defenceman Hal Laycoe played over 500 NHL games in the 1940s and '50s. He was a solid positional player who took the body well and moved the puck up to his forwards with efficiency.

Born in Sutherland, Saskatchewan, Laycoe played senior hockey in Saskatoon with the Dodgers and Quakers. During World War II, he skated with the Canadian Postal Corps as well as the Toronto and Winnipeg Navy units. He turned pro in 1945-46 by playing 17 games with the New York Rangers and starring on the blueline of the New York Rovers of the EHL. Following the season he was named to the EHL's second all-star team.

Laycoe was a solid regular in 58 games for the Blueshirts in 1946-47 before he was traded to the Montreal Canadiens in the off-season. He was a semi-regular in Montreal but also saw extensive ice time in the AHL with the Buffalo Bisons. In February 1951, he found an NHL home when he was traded to the Boston Bruins for Ross Lowe. Laycoe solidified the Boston defensive troops through the 1955-56 season and helped the club reach the finals in 1953.
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Traded to Boston towards the end of the 1950-51 campaign, Laycoe spent the next five seasons patrolling the Bruins’ blue line where the man who was also The Rocket’s occasional tennis partner while with the Habs, Nonetheless, he helped spark the infamous Richard Riot in 1955, with Laycoe being the player Richard would strike on his way to being suspended a few days later.


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and Johnstown is finally qualified for the playoffs:

1939 or earlier - Eddie Wares
1940 to 1965 - Hal Laycoe
1966 to 1979 - Keith Brown
1980 to 1993 - Tom Kurvers
1994 to 2010 - Ilya Bryzaglov

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Laycoe's claim to fame, other than being the spark that touched the Richard gasoline, was wearing glasses on the ice. I don't think anyone else did besides he and Arbour.

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Jiri Lala !!!

Domestic Accomplishments:
Czech League Championship (1982)

Golden Stick voting – 3rd(1981), 3rd(1983), 4th(1982), 4th(1985)
(This is against amazing competition that includes Vladislav Tretiak, Viacheslav Fetisov, Alexei Kasatonov, Igor Larionov, Vladimir Krutiv, Sergei Makarov, Alexander Maltsev, and Milan Novy)

Czech League Points – 1st(), 2nd(1981), 3rd(), 4th(1982), 6th(), 7th()

2 x German League Points Leader (1990, 1991)
3 x German League Goals Leader (1990, 1991, 1993)
3 x German League First Team All-Star (1990, 1991, 1993)

International Accomplishments:
Canada Cup Bronze (1981)
World Championship Silver (1982)
World Championship Bronze (1981)

IIHF Best Forward (1983)
3 x IIHF Second All-Star Team (1982, 1983, 1985)

World Championship Points – 2nd(1985), 3rd(1983), 6th(1982), 7th(1981)
World Championship Goals – 1st(1983), 2nd(1985), 3rd(1982), 4th(1981)

4 x Team Leader in Points (1981, 1982, 1983, 1985)
4 x Team Leader in Goals (1981, 1982, 1983, 1985)

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My opponents started noticing me more, so I started passing more often so as not to attract attention… It is hard to say what brought me more joy – scoring myself or having made a successful pass to someone else. It was just as nice to hear a word of thanks from a successful scoring player. Besides, it gave me the feeling that I wasn’t just playing hockey for myself.
Here's the complete top-5 voting for the Golden Stick award, which shows how high he was regarded in Europe:
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These are the Top 5 votes from 81-85 (Makarov won in 80 and 86) Listed as "points Player (1st-2nd-3rd)"

1981: 462 Vladislav Tretiak (119-51-3) 453 Alexander Maltsev (115-54-0) 160 Jiri Lala (27-31-17) Sergei Makarov 151 (25-27-22) Peter Lindmark (25-24-9)

1982: 224 Vladislav Tretiak (61-11-19) 217 Milan Novy (46-31-17) 191 Viktor Shalimov (58-7-3) 175 Jiri Lala (56-2-3) 160 Miroslav Dvorak (24-27-34)

1983: 346 Vladislav Tretiak (82-43-14) 214 Vladimir Krutov (49-29-9) 195 Jiri Lala (52-18-2) 123 Sergei Makarov (26-19-7) 109 Undrafted Czech (22-14-15)

1984: 316 Vyacheslav Fetisiv (96-10-8) 182 Vladislav Tretiak (45-21-5) 163 Dominik Hasek (28-36-7) 124 Sergei Makarov (32-12-4) 86 Vladimir Krutov (23-2-13)

1985: 344 Undrafted Czech (102-17-4) 313 Sergei Makarov (89-23-0) 285 Vyacheslav Fetisov (62-17-5) 249 Jiri Lala (37-64-10) 192 Vladimir Krutov (23-51-21)


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10-22-2010, 11:26 AM
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Careful touting Steve Rucchin's adjusted +/-. More than anyone, he's an example of a "good player who played with even better players". He was an adjusted +113 in the 1997-2000 seasons as Selanriya's center, and -17 in the rest of his career.

Good selke record, though, and killed a ton of penalties.

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Laycoe's claim to fame, other than being the spark that touched the Richard gasoline, was wearing glasses on the ice. I don't think anyone else did besides he and Arbour.
and a certian rookie of the year

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Jiri Lala !!!

Domestic Accomplishments:
Czech League Championship (1982)

Golden Hockey Stick voting – 3rd(1981), 3rd(1983), 4th(1982), 4th(1985)
(This is against amazing competition that includes Vladislav Tretiak, Viacheslav Fetisov, Alexei Kasatonov, Igor Larionov, Vladimir Krutiv, Sergei Makarov, Alexander Maltsev, and Milan Novy)

Czech League Points – 1st(), 2nd(1981), 3rd(), 4th(1982), 6th(), 7th()

2 x German League Points Leader (1990, 1991)
3 x German League Goals Leader (1990, 1991, 1993)
3 x German League First Team All-Star (1990, 1991, 1993)

International Accomplishments:
Canada Cup Bronze (1981)
World Championship Silver (1982)
World Championship Bronze (1981)

IIHF Best Forward (1983)
3 x IIHF Second All-Star Team (1982, 1983, 1985)

World Championship Points – 2nd(1985), 3rd(1983), 6th(1982), 7th(1981)
World Championship Goals – 1st(1983), 2nd(1985), 3rd(1982), 4th(1981)

4 x Team Leader in Points (1981, 1982, 1983, 1985)
4 x Team Leader in Goals (1981, 1982, 1983, 1985)
I actually came really close to selecting Lala over Golikov. He was probably the best Czech league player out there. But then I had to compare him to Ruzicka, and it looked to me like, based on Czech league stats, he's only about 80% as good as Ruzicka, who didn't exactly tear the NHL apart and is a AAA player himself. Although, internationally, their stats are pretty much the same. I saw him as a step below Rosy overall, and in my mind all AAA players should be more or less equal...

Where did you get the Golden Hockey stick voting?

Also, where did you get the world championship goals/points finishes? The only way I know how to do it is tedious.

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I thought the Golden Hockey Stick was only for Czechs, and it appears I was right:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Hockey_Stick
http://hokej.snt.cz/xyz/cz.html

so although Lala's record is impressive, it is still only among Czech players, not all Czechs, Russians, and miscellaneous nations.

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Laycoe's claim to fame, other than being the spark that touched the Richard gasoline, was wearing glasses on the ice. I don't think anyone else did besides he and Arbour.
Have to wonder if Osgood would do better if he broke out the "Wild Thing" look more often.


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I actually came really close to selecting Lala over Golikov. He was probably the best Czech league player out there. But then I had to compare him to Ruzicka, and it looked to me like, based on Czech league stats, he's only about 80% as good as Ruzicka, who didn't exactly tear the NHL apart and is a AAA player himself. Although, internationally, their stats are pretty much the same. I saw him as a step below Rosy overall, and in my mind all AAA players should be more or less equal...

Where did you get the Golden Hockey stick voting?

Also, where did you get the world championship goals/points finishes? The only way I know how to do it is tedious.
Lala, over a 5 year span, performed as well or better than any of the big-time Soviet players in iternational competition, and he did it with much less help.



The website that I found the Golden Stick voting results has disappeared I have all the results recored though, and only one is undrafted, so I may aswell just post them.

Golden Stick voting (Best Eurpean):
Boris Mikhailov – 1st(1979), 2nd(1980)
Sergei Makarov – 1st(1980), 4th(1981), 6th(1982), 4th(1983), 4th(1984), 2nd(1985), 1st(1986), 4th(1987), 3rd(1988), 3rd(1989)
Valeri Vasiliev – 3rd(1980), 8th(1981), 8th(1982)
Vladislav Tretiak – 6th(1980), 1st(1981), 1st(1982), 1st(1983), 2nd(1984)
Vladimir Krutov – 7th(1980), 2nd(1983), 5th(1984), 5th(1985), 2nd(1986), 1st(1987), 2nd((1988)
Marian Stastny – 8th(1980)
Pelle Lindbergh – 9th(1980)
Alexander Maltsev – 10th(1980), 2nd(1981)
Vladimir Martinec – 7th(1981)
Jiri Lala – 3rd(1981), 4th(1982), 3rd(1983), 4th(1985)
Peter Lindmark – 5th(1981), 3rd(1986), 5th(1988)
Milan Novy – 2nd(1982)
Viktor Shalimov – 3rd(1982)
********** – 9th(1982), 5th(1983), 1st(1985)
Igor Larionov – 6th(1983), 5th(1986), 4th(1988), 4th(1988)
Alexei Kasatonov – 9th(1983), 6th(1985), 9th(1986), 5th(1988)
Vyacheslav Fetisov – 10th(1983), 1st(1984), 3rd(1985), 4th(1986), 5th(1987), 1st(1988), 1st(1989)
Dominik Hasek – 3rd(1984), 3rd(1987), 2nd(1989)


International scoring records are all available at a French website called passionhockey.

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I thought the Golden Hockey Stick was only for Czechs, and it appears I was right:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Hockey_Stick
http://hokej.snt.cz/xyz/cz.html

so although Lala's record is impressive, it is still only among Czech players, not all Czechs, Russians, and miscellaneous nations.
You're right that Golden Hockey Stick is Czech only, but the Godlen Stick is all of Europe including Russia. I accidentally put "hockey" in my bio. That was Golden Stick voting as the top Eurpoean.

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I thought the Golden Hockey Stick was only for Czechs, and it appears I was right:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Hockey_Stick
http://hokej.snt.cz/xyz/cz.html

so although Lala's record is impressive, it is still only among Czech players, not all Czechs, Russians, and miscellaneous nations.
I had the same question for Dreak when he started really pushing for Lala yesterday.

His answer - there are two Golden Sticks. The "Golden Hockey Stick" is for the best player in Czechoslovakia, but the "Golden Stick" is for the best player in Europe.

Apparently there is a 2nd Golden Stick for all of Europe that pops up here and there.

Both these sources mention that Makarov has 2 of them:
http://www3.telus.net/worldcuphockey/klm.html
http://www.russianhockey.net/IIHFHOF.html

And here, Billy Shoes somehow got Vasiliev's Golden Stick record:
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Golden Stick (presented to best player in all of Europe): 3rd(1980), 8th(1981), 8th(1982)
http://hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=2...&postcount=158

The two Golden Sticks have definitely caused confusion before - I know even Pelletier has mixed them up.

Of course, it makes me wonder who exactly is giving out the Golden Stick? "The Golden Hockey Stick" is an official Czech league award. No idea where "The Golden Stick" for all Euros comes from. Obviously, if it is associated with the IIHF, it is quite prestigious.

Billy, what source did you use in your Vasiliev bio?

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There are definately 2 Golden Sticks. Google it and your find many references to it in player bios.

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Lala, over a 5 year span, performed as well or better than any of the big-time Soviet players in iternational competition, and he did it with much less help.



The website that I found the Golden Stick voting results has disappeared I have all the results recored though, and only one is undrafted, so I may aswell just post them.

Golden Stick voting (Best Eurpean):
Boris Mikhailov – 1st(1979), 2nd(1980)
Sergei Makarov – 1st(1980), 4th(1981), 6th(1982), 4th(1983), 4th(1984), 2nd(1985), 1st(1986), 4th(1987), 3rd(1988), 3rd(1989)
Valeri Vasiliev – 3rd(1980), 8th(1981), 8th(1982)
Vladislav Tretiak – 6th(1980), 1st(1981), 1st(1982), 1st(1983), 2nd(1984)
Vladimir Krutov – 7th(1980), 2nd(1983), 5th(1984), 5th(1985), 2nd(1986), 1st(1987), 2nd((1988)
Marian Stastny – 8th(1980)
Pelle Lindbergh – 9th(1980)
Alexander Maltsev – 10th(1980), 2nd(1981)
Vladimir Martinec – 7th(1981)
Jiri Lala – 3rd(1981), 4th(1982), 3rd(1983), 4th(1985)
Peter Lindmark – 5th(1981), 3rd(1986), 5th(1988)
Milan Novy – 2nd(1982)
Viktor Shalimov – 3rd(1982)
********** – 9th(1982), 5th(1983), 1st(1985)
Igor Larionov – 6th(1983), 5th(1986), 4th(1988), 4th(1988)
Alexei Kasatonov – 9th(1983), 6th(1985), 9th(1986), 5th(1988)
Vyacheslav Fetisov – 10th(1983), 1st(1984), 3rd(1985), 4th(1986), 5th(1987), 1st(1988), 1st(1989)
Dominik Hasek – 3rd(1984), 3rd(1987), 2nd(1989)


International scoring records are all available at a French website called passionhockey.
OK, I found them here:

http://www.canadacupofhockey.com/can...ck_winners.htm

(you can click on the year or player to get voting results - someone should copy these down before this page disappears into the abyss as well...)

But how come it's called the Izvestia Golden Stick? It's not based on teh Izvestia Cup, is it? Because that's not exactly a prestigious tournament.

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OK, I found them here:

http://www.canadacupofhockey.com/can...ck_winners.htm

(you can click on the year or player to get voting results - someone should copy these down before this page disappears into the abyss as well...)

But how come it's called the Izvestia Golden Stick? It's not based on teh Izvestia Cup, is it? Because that's not exactly a prestigious tournament.

You win at the google (I spent like 20 minutes last night trying to find the source of the mysterious second Golden Stick).

It is listed on various websites as "for the best player in all of Europe," including the two links in Makarov bios. Worth further investigation.

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He was a big, physical defenseman, and he quickly was tagged as intimidating and mean-spirited. He only played in 99 games in the blue and white, scoring just two goals while collecting 12 assists for 14 points with 183 penalty minutes. Quinn's most famous moment with the Leafs - and probably his entire playing career - came in an infamous game in which the big Irishman caught Bobby Orr, the league's best player, with his head down. Though he was tagged with a 5 minute major for elbowing, in reality the hit was clean but it devastated the superstar Bruin defenseman, knocking him out with a concussion. Needless to say Quinn made a name for himself around the entire hockey world that night!

Despite the stigma that comes from such incidents, Quinn, unlike some other players in history, was able to overcome that and prove he was a valuable hockey player and not just "the guy who clocked Bobby Orr."

Perhaps that was in part due to the fact that he was moved on from the Leafs and got a chance to play a bigger role when the Vancouver Canucks claimed him in the 1970 NHL expansion draft. He played two seasons on the West Coast scoring 4 goals and collecting 14 assists.

Quinn would go on to enjoy 5 seasons with the Flames as a steady, defensive, hard hitting blueliner.
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OK, I found them here:

http://www.canadacupofhockey.com/can...ck_winners.htm

But how come it's called the Izvestia Golden Stick? It's not based on teh Izvestia Cup, is it? Because that's not exactly a prestigious tournament.
It can't be based on the tournament. Look how many guys got votes without even playing in it.

That's not the site I found my results from.... I'll check to see if they're the same!



Edit -- they are defintely NOT related. The Izvestia Cup was played from 1970 to 1980. The Golden Stick Award goes from 1979 to 1989.


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From an updated version of the site 70s found:

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In the spring of 1979 during the World Hockey Championship in Moscow the Ice Hockey Federation and the editors of the newspaper “Izvestia” addressed the President of the International Ice Hockey Federation Gόnther Sabetzki with a letter, where they suggested defining the best hockey player in Europe. This player would be given “The Golden Stick of Izvestia”. The best player was to be defined each year by questioning the national hockey federations of European countries and leading sports journalists of the continent who wrote about ice hockey.

This offer was accepted and the Ice Hockey Federation of the USSR and the editors of the newspaper “Izvestia” also got an official answer from the International Ice Hockey Federation (IIHF). (see right)
http://www.canadacupofhockey.com/can...oldenstick.htm

Sounds like a legit prestigious trophy to me.

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It can't be based on the tournament. Look how many guys got votes without even playing in it.

That's not the site I found my results from.... I'll check to see if they're the same!
- I didn't check who did and didn't play in Izvestia... I don't know where to look for that either, apparently that tournament is not worth cluttering up SIHR bios with...

- It looks like they are the same. The 1985 winner is that undrafted guy.


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Pat Quinn, based on GF/GA figures, averaged about 20.8 minutes per game, decent for the 1970s. He had one year where he "exploded" offensively for 32 points - you'd think this was the year he finally got PP time, but he only had one PPGF that year.

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From an updated version of the site 70s found:



http://www.canadacupofhockey.com/can...oldenstick.htm

Sounds like a legit prestigious trophy to me.
I guess it is!

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Pekka Lindmark's Golden Stick voting record: 5th(1981), 3rd(1986), 5th(1988). The Swedish netminder rocked the European Top 5 three times during some awesome Soviet years.

(Thanks for the PM dreakmur.)

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