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10-23-2010, 11:16 AM
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C/RW Billy Bell



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Billy Bell was a solid defensive forward with three different teams during the last four years of the NHA and the first six campaigns of the NHL between 1918 and 1924. He was equally effective at centre or right-wing and rarely took a penalty.

Born in Lachine, Quebec, Bell played senior hockey in Montreal with the Baillargeon, Westmounts, and Stars. In 1913-14 he joined the Wanderers when they were in the NHA then spent a year with the Ottawa Senators. Bell returned to the Wanderers in 1915-16 and was on hand when the franchise was a founding member of the NHL in December 1917. Following the fire at their home arena the Wanderers ceased operations and Bell was claimed by the Canadiens in the Dispersal Draft in January 1918.

Bell played sparingly for the Canadiens and even sat out the 1919-20 season. He was loaned to the Ottawa Senators for the bulk of the 1921-22 season and was a solid checker for the club. He returned to Montreal for two seasons and retired after helping the team win its second Stanley Cup overall and first in the NHL in 1924.
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LW Greg Adams



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It was in Vancouver that Adams spent the bulk of his NHL career and is also where he enjoyed most of his personal successes. In over seven seasons with the Canucks, Adams was often relied upon to spearhead the offensive charge along with the likes of Pavel Bure and Trevor Linden. Adams was a homegrown boy from Nelson. "In my first game with Vancouver, we played the St. Louis Blues," Adams recalled. "I scored four goals." He potted a career-high 36 goals in 1987-88, when he played in all 80 Canuck games, which was a rarity throughout his career, suffering from an assortment of nagging injuries, which often kept him on the sidelines.

The highlight of Adams's career came in 1994, when the Canucks came within one game of winning the Stanley Cup, only to lose the deciding seventh game to the New York Rangers. Adams is perhaps best remembered for his two clutch playoff goals that postseason. The first was against the Toronto Maple Leafs in Game Five of the 1994 Conference Finals, the overtime winning goal to complete a comeback from three goals down. The goal sent the Canucks to the Stanley Cup Finals. Adams then managed to top that when he scored the winning goal in Game One of the finals against the Rangers, but in the end they came up one victory short of the title.

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10-23-2010, 02:57 PM
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A reliable, steady defensive D-man who was an excellent PKer. Boasts impressive adjusted +/-, 91 playoff games including a trip to the finals with Ducks, played for the US Olympic team in Nagano.
son of a.....

there goes the best PK defenseman available, and possibly in the whole draft. He's one of those 4 I was having a hard time choosing between.

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I suspected as much.

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The Tigers draft Robert Reichel.



In Calgary he had back-to-back 40-goal seasons, amassing 354 points as a Flame in 422 NHL games there. He had five 40+ assist NHL seasons over a six-season stretch.



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I figured someone had to take him.... he's not very different from Ruzicka, IMO. Difference being he was maybe not as good in the Czech league but proved himself in the NHL a lot more.

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Someone was looking at that link about Golden Stick voting, eh?
Ha, I'd be a fool not to take him after seeing the company he kept high up in that golden stick voting.

His career appears to be a long and interesting one from 1969-1985 - his Gottwaldov team spent 8 years jumping between the top and bottom division. It wasn't exactly how you'd think relegation would work. They were consistently the very best division B team when relegated, and then the very worst division A when promoted. Then he went to Dukla, a much stronger team, and got really dominant. Some of the years he had in that first division, when you look at his team's GA compared to the others, it's riduclous - Hasek-like. Then he went back to Gottwaldov, and saved them from relegation by a tiebreaker, and then in 1985 took them all the way up to 3rd in the first division, with the league's best GAA, 0.36 better than the next-best team. Then he was also the best goalie at the Worlds. It was probably a combination of both of these achievements that saw him win the Golden Stick that year. I like that he was not just a one-year wonder; he was top-9 in the european voting two other times, but also in the Czech-only voting about 6 times from what I recall.

I am going to check the Czech league stats for his teams (since his personal GAA is not known, I'll work backwards) and see how much he dominated that league compared to Hasek... it looks like it will be mighty close.

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London selects Emile Francis, coach, who resurrected a terrible Rangers team in the 1970s, saved the St. Louis Blues and built the Hartford Whalers into a contender (the last one as purely GM, though).

Emile "The Cat" Francis

-Inducted into Hockey Hall of Fame as Builder in 1982
-Regular season record: 388-273-117
-Playoff record: 39-50

-The NY Rangers made the playoffs every season he was coach
-4 straight trips to the Conference finals from 71-74, including a loss to the Orr/Esposito Bruins in the Cup finals in 72 and a 4-3 loss to the Broad Street Bullies in the Conference finals in 74
-Before he coached the Rangers, they only made the playoffs in 4 of the previous 16 seasons and never past the first round.
-The Rangers missed the playoffs the two seasons after he left

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Not bad. He was on my list of best unpicked guys after AA10.

I added up all the accomplishments of various AAA coaches, both in the NHL and elsewhere, and I concluded that Jacques Martin was the most accomplished coach in this draft, followed by John Muckler (as a head coach only) and Terry Crisp. Then a few more names, then The Cat. Lack of an Adams Trophy during his best years hurt him, as did a shorter playoff schedule (leading to less playoff GP and less wins) - I should adjust that.

Also, he's the only one of these coaches to get into the HHOF, and I gave him 1000 points for what, where a stanley cup was only 600 and a finals loss was 400... it's tough to put a value on that, but I gave him a lot of credit for it.

I think he's an average AAA coach based on who's in this draft (particularly Muckler, Crisp, Martin and Dineen) but all four could be in the MLD over 5 other guys, particularly Kulagin, Ruel, McMillan, and Laperriere.


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10-23-2010, 09:50 PM
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The Tigers draft Stu Barnes.



1136 NHL games
597 NHL points
116 NHL playoff games
62 NHL playoff points

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It was in Buffalo that Barnes' value as a two-way, clutch centerman really came through.

In four seasons with the Sabres, Barnes averaged 42 points, and routinely was sent out against the opposing team's best players in a checking role. Barnes was highly effective in head coach Lindy Ruff's system, and another team took notice of his abilities.

In four seasons with the Stars, Barnes platooned himself in the lineup as one of the premiere checking forwards in game, and was definitely a fan favourite
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over the last few days...

stolen from the Queen's shortlist: Yelle, Adams
taken from the Queen's longlist: Gilbert, Handzus, Meeker, Rucchin, Reid
decidedly not in Queen's plans: Khristich, Osborne, Bubnik, Dineen, Guidolin, Laycoe, Carney
watched to see how far they'd fall: Crisp, Bladon, Johnson, Bell, Barnes
overlooked by Queen's scouting: Eldebrink, Dudley, Staal, Reichel
interesting picks: Reise, Sr., Tippett, Clement, Moore, Kea, Lala, Kralik

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10-23-2010, 11:53 PM
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"Overlooked by regina's scouting" is the best way I could describe eldebrink too.

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10-24-2010, 09:01 AM
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Regina listpicks defenseman Randy Manery

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The Tigers draft Harold Snepsts.



* All-Star Game (1977, 1982)
* Top-50 among modern era defensemen in % of team's penalty kill played.
* 93 NHL playoff games

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Through the late 1970s and early 1980s, Snepsts was Vancouver's most effective defender. His physical, error-free brand of hockey saw him selected to the NHL All-Star Game in 1977 and 1982, and he was named the club's top defender four times in five years between 1977 and 1982. He also showed improvement offensively, scoring a career-high 31 points in 1978–79, and on February 2, 1980 became the first defender in club history to score on a penalty shot.

Snepsts appeared in 1033 NHL games over his career, recording 38 goals and 195 assists for 233 points, along with 2009 penalty minutes.

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10-24-2010, 10:35 AM
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Seventies, was Manery the D-man you felt as better from the era I took Kea from? He was one of two others I gave some consideration.

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A standout for two full seasons with the New York Rangers from 1932 to 1934, Aikenhead took over the starting job from John Ross Roach and for two years was a solid if unspectacular netminder. He had played ten years in various minor leagues out west, most notably appearing in the Allan Cup finals in 1924 and 1926 with Saskatoon.

Aitkenhead's rookie season of 1932-33 was a Stanley Cup-winning one as he played all eight games for the Broadway Blueshirts, winning six and recording two shutouts en route to the championship in four games over Toronto. At 29, Aitkenhead looked set to be the team's goalie of the future.

After playing every game of the following season, though, the team was eliminated from the playoffs quickly and he lost the starter's job the next season to Davey Kerr. Aitkenhead played just ten games, and spent the next six seasons in the PCHL, retiring in 1941.
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Andy Aitkenhead certainly isn't as famous as the man who replaced him - all time great Davey Kerr.

Aitkenhead was the Rangers goalie from 1932 through 1934. The Glasgow, Scotland born Aitkenhead, who had grown up in Saskatchewan, had two incredible seasons to begin his NHL career. In year one, his play was described as brilliant, leading the Rangers to the Stanley Cup with 2 shutouts and a 1.60 GAA in 8 playoff games. The next season he had 7 regular season shutouts (including two 0-0 games in Dec 1933) and posted a tiny 2.27 GAA but the Rangers faltered in the playoffs.

You'd think after two solid seasons like that, Aitkenhead would be set for a lengthy career. However, like many early goalies, Aitkenhead's nerves became shot.

Dave Kerr remembered hearing stories of his predecessor's troubles.

"When I joined the Rangers I replaced Andy Aitkenhead. They tell me he got so he'd lock himself in his room after a game and play the game over and over. By the time the next game rolled around, he'd played 48 games in that room."

Such neurotic behavior must have worried the Rangers brain trust enough to look for a replacement goalie, and they obviously found one in Kerr. The man dubbed as "The Glasgow Gobbler" appeared in just 10 games in 1934-35 season and finished the year in the minors, never to play in the NHL again.

Whether the stories of Aitkenhead's obsessions are myth or fact, Andy continued to play hockey for several more seasons. He returned to the team that he was with before joining New York - the Portland Buckaroos of the PCHL.
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Andy Aitkenhead was born in Scotland in 1904 and he was a mighty fine goaltender. These two factors helped create one of the great nicknames in hockey history; "The Glasgow Gobbler".
Aitkenhead played in every game for the New York Rangers in 1932/33 and 1933/34 and backstopped the Blueshirts to the Stanley Cup in '33. He finished fourth and fifth in the NHL in goals against average in the two years and was third with 7 shutouts in his second season. He would lose his job to Davey Kerr in 34/35 and finish his NHL career with 47 wins and 11 shutouts in 106 games while sporting a 2.35 GAA. His playoff stats were even better with a 1.48 average and 3 shutouts in 10 games.

Prior to his impressive NHL stint "The Glasgow Gobbler" had taken teams to both the Memorial Cup and Allan Cup finals by the age of 21. He turned pro with the Saskatoon Shieks of the Prairie Hockey League in 1926/27. In his second year with the Shieks he posted an average of 1.42 while the rest of the league had a 2.89 GAA. He was literally twice as good as any other goalie in the league. That's tough to do.

Upon transferring to the Portland Buckaroos in 1929/30 he posted 16 shutouts in 36 games and put up an average of 0.94. The rest of the North West Hockey League played to a GAA of 2.19, again he was more than twice as good as anyone else. To answer a question, yes, this is extremely rare in any league to have a GAA less than half of the rest of the league. Even some of the great goaltending years in history could not achieve this. When George Hainsworth had 22 shutouts in 1928/29 and an average of 0.92 the rest of the NHL had GAA of 1.50. Boston's Frank Brimsek came close in 38/39 when his average of 1.56 was near half of the rest of the circuit's 2.70.

So far, the only NHL goalie season I have found like Aitkenhead's was Bill Durnan in 1943/44. He had a GAA of 2.18 while the remainder of the NHL was at 4.46. Even latter day greats could only come close to being twice as good as the rest of their peers. Below are players with their GAA compared to the rest of the league.

Tony Esposito 1971/72 1.77 GAA/ Rest of League 3.13
Ken Dryden 1975/76 2.03 GAA/ Rest of League 3.49
Pete Peeters 1982/83 2.36 GAA/ Rest of League 3.91
Dominik Hasek 1993/94 1.95 GAA/ Rest of League 3.26

It's clear, that this is a rare feat in hockey, and even though it wasn't the NHL, "The Glasgow Gobbler" did it twice. He continued his terrific play through the 1930's, returning to Portland after his NHL stint. In 35/36 his average of 1.62 was again near halving the rest of the Pacific Coast League average of 2.85.

Throughout his fifteen year professional career, Aitkenhead would compile a record of 258-191-95 with a goals against average of 1.98 and 93 shutouts. He truly is one of the little known greats of hockey history.
1x SC winner
2x top-5 wins
2x top-5 GAA
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7th in pre-war NHL playoff GAA
9th in pre-war NHL playoff shutouts
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Johnstown Jets select RW Wayne Presley



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By age 8, Presley emerged as one of the more talented youngsters in the Detroit area. He made the coveted Little Ceasar's team, a club that has, over the years, helped start the careers of Pat Lafontaine, Kevin Hatcher, and Al Iafrate.

Presley remained with Little Ceasar's until age 16 when he joined Scott Stevens and Al MacInnis with the Kitchener Rangers of the OHL. There, Presley put up impressive offensive numbers and found himself chosen 39th overall in the1983 NHL Entry Draft by the Chicago Blackhawks.

Presley started the 1985-86 season in Chicago with high hopes. But he overdid it on the weight-gain program, arriving at training camp in chubby shape. He was soon bounced down to the minors where he reduced his weight and increased his experience.

By the following season, he was ready to rumble in Chicago again?and this time he did, scoring a career-high 61 points. But he also finished the season with a -18 in the plus/minus ratings. As such, his game was rerouted toward a more defensive style of play. Rick Vaive and Steve Larmer scored the bulk of goals while Presley worked to slow down the opposition.

Thus, Wayne Presley--the gritty, hard-working defensive specialist--was born. From that point forward, he served as a third-line penalty killer and gadfly to opposition forwards.

From the Blackhawks, he put in a brief stint with the San Jose Sharks in 1991-92 before settling in with the Buffalo Sabres for more than three seasons. He rounded out his career with short stops in New York and Toronto before retiring as a member of the Detroit Vipers of the IHL, in 1997.

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Queen's University selects Ken Schinkel, the penalty killing defensive-minded right winger who starred offensively as an AHL all-star and later was selected to play in three NHL all-star games in 1968, 1969, and 1971 for the expansion Pens (though injured so didn't play in '71) and inbetween was used as a checking line role player and penalty killer for the New York Rangers.



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... a reputation as a skilled two-way forward and penalty killer. In 1959 he led the AHL in goals with 43 and scored 85 points, earning a place on the league's Second All-Star Team, and his rights were dealt to the New York Rangers of the NHL.

He played the 1960 season with the Rangers and split the 1961 season between New York and Springfield - returning to the AHL just in time to be part of the Indians' second consecutive Calder Cup championship - before playing as a third-liner with the Rangers in 1962 and 1963. By 1964 he was back in the minors, however, and spent the next four years starring for the Rangers' farm team, the AHL Baltimore Clippers. Despite playing with future Hall of Famers such as Jean Ratelle and Doug Harvey, Schinkel led the Clippers in scoring two of those seasons.

Expansion changed all that, as Schinkel was drafted in 1967 by the Pittsburgh Penguins. Named an assistant captain by the club, he was an immediate impact player and noted penalty killer for the offensively-thin Penguins, finishing first or second in team scoring the franchise's first three seasons and being named to play in the NHL All-Star Game in 1968 and 1969; he was named again in 1971, but did not play due to a broken arm. He played six seasons in all before retiring to become the team's coach.

Schinkel retired as the Penguins' career leader in games and points (both since surpassed)
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Johnstown Jets select RW Wayne Presley

He was on my radar when I selected Colin Patterson, but I liked Patterson a little better. Presley was a top 2 PKer on a Buffalo PK that finished first in the league twice in the early 90s (of course, their goalie probably had "a bit" more to do with that). If I rememeber correctly, he was also 5th in Selke voting one year.

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He was on my radar when I selected Colin Patterson, but I liked Patterson a little better. Presley was a top 2 PKer on a Buffalo PK that finished first in the league twice in the early 90s (of course, their goalie probably had "a bit" more to do with that). If I rememeber correctly, he was also 5th in Selke voting one year.
Yep, I think he had other top 10-15 finishes in Selke voting. He actually wasn't one of our original choices heading into the weekend but I've noticed PK specialists taking off recently and we definitely didn't want to miss out. I'm hoping the others that are on the list of Tony and myself remain out there another day or two. So far so good on that front.

edit: tied for 11th in 93-94, tied for 5th in 94-95, the 93-94 season was the other one I was thinking of that was top 15. I thought there was another season in the top 15 there as well.


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London selects a two-way player who can kill penalties, bump bodies, and chip in offensively, Jörgen Pettersson, LW.

-366 points in 435 NHL Games (after starring in Sweden for 6 years)

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Jorgen Pettersson had skated six seasons in the Swedish Elite League with Vastra Frolunda before he was finally enticed to cross the Atlantic to take on the NHL.

The enticement came from St. Louis Blues GM Emile Francis. He personally flew to Stockholm to verify that the stylish, speedy Swede was the real deal. Impressed with his disciplined play and puck handling skills, Francis brought him to St. Louis and placed him on a line with xxxxx xxxxxx and Joe Mullen. The fit was right as Pettersson made a mark on the league by registering 73 points in 62 games.

Over succeeding seasons, he continued to develop into a more complete package as an outstanding penalty killer and above-average defensive player who was willing to bump with the opposition. Pettersson's scoring pace remained steady through 1985 when Emile Francis, then the Whalers' GM, brought his former prospect over to Hartford. His stay was short, however, before he was dispatched to the Capitals for a final NHL stint of 55 games.

Pettersson then decided to return to his native Sweden where he rejoined the Swedish Elite League for four additional seasons before retiring in 1990-91.

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Toledo selects RW Alex Burrows


4th in Short Handed Goals 2009
11th in Selke Voting 2009 (3rd amongst wingers)
10th in Goals 2010
1st in Short Handed Goals 2010
13th in Selke Voting 2010 (2nd amongst wingers)
Vancouver Canucks Most Exciting Player 2008, 2009, and 2010

A hard working, strong defensively, and agitating forward who can kill penalties well, Burrows also has a decent scoring touch and is one of the few players with a high scoring finish that fits in well on a fourth line.


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Burrows...? There's at least a hundred of better forwards left.

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Seventies, was Manery the D-man you felt as better from the era I took Kea from? He was one of two others I gave some consideration.
Yep.

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It was Kea's edge on PK that made me take him. Manery provides far more offense, but I plan to have a bunch of forwards who can play the point, plus Visnovsky and MacIver.

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I make up yesterday's pick with:
Gary Sabourin, RW

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Gary Sabourin displayed one hockey virtue above all others. He was possessed with a burning desire to play the game.
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Sheer perseverance got Gary into the National Hockey League. A good example of his work ethic was after his impressive rookie season where he impressed with his desire and dedication but only score 13 goals. He was told by the St. Louis coaching staff that he was missing too many goal scoring opportunities. So during his first summer as an NHLer Gary took home 100 pucks and practiced his aim and target shooting all summer long.

The extra effort paid off handsomely in his sophomore year, as he almost doubled his goal total to 25.

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And with todays pick...

Bohumil Modry, G

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goalie in Europe, and a legend in Czechoslovakia - so much so that when the communists took over they were looking to make examples of people of higher social classes to intimidate the general population and as a result Modry was imprisoned for 15 years based on fabricated charges. He would be released in 1956 at age 39.
And, because I'm lazy, here's Hedberg's bio from the ATD10 AA draft...

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I'm not sure about the part where it says Jorgen Pettersson was an outstanding penalty killer...

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I'm not sure about the part where it says Jorgen Pettersson was an outstanding penalty killer...
Why not?

(I assume stats on the yahoo group? Can you link it again? Thanks)


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Why not?

(I assume stats on the yahoo group? Can you link it again? Thanks)
Nope, just the basic stats in this case. He has 32 PPGA in his whole career, some forwards get that in one season.

He was on the ice for 8% of his team's PPGA in his career, and that's about half the forward average. (assuming you have a 12-man lineup and two forwards are on the ice for each goal, then on average you're on for 1/6 of goals against, or 16.7%)

The most he had was 13 in 1982-83, good for 3rd on St. Louis, and good for 20.6% of the team's total.

I think he's a really solid player and will be one of the better offensive 3rd/4th liners while at the same time not being devoid of other skills... I just don't think he should be a PK option.

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