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10-23-2010, 02:11 PM
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Bartulis "loaned" to Phantoms

RT @NHLFlyers: ROSTER UPDATE: The Flyers have loaned (D) Oskars Bartulis to their AHL affiliate, the Adirondack Phantoms.

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RT @NHLFlyers: ROSTER UPDATE: The Flyers have loaned (D) Oskars Bartulis to their AHL affiliate, the Adirondack Phantoms.
Not Syracuse?

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#Flyers have loaned 7th D-man Oskars Bartulis to AHL Syracuse
-Sam Car


EDIT: said he made a mistake.


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10-23-2010, 02:13 PM
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I'd rather have Bartulis right now over Carle. Carle just can't do **** at all...

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I'd rather have Bartulis right now over Carle. Carle just can't do **** at all...
Carle was solid until he has to cover for pronger

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Carle was solid until he has to cover for pronger
It's about time for Meszaros to steal Carle's job...something that I called about a month and a half ago.

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So how is this different from waiving him?

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10-23-2010, 02:21 PM
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It's about time for Meszaros to steal Carle's job...something that I called about a month and a half ago.
Trade Carle at the deadline for a REAL top 9 left winger than costs cheaper than him (between 2 and 3 million)?

Pronger-Mezsaros
Timonen-Coburn
O'Donnell-Bartulis
Walker

That sounds fine to me.

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So how is this different from waiving him?
Some other team can pick him up and we'd be out of another d-man.

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10-23-2010, 02:23 PM
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It's about time for Meszaros to steal Carle's job...something that I called about a month and a half ago.
Being honest, Carle HAS looked solid before he started playing with Pronger. No reason to start trading everyone around. Bartulis has been average in the 2 games he played

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Some other team can pick him up and we'd be out of another d-man.
Is it just that we still have his cap hit and can bring him back at any time, this is just for playing time purposes? Or did you mean that he can be picked up while he's loaned and not just on re-entry?

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Some other team can pick him up and we'd be out of another d-man.
Isn't that what happens when you waive someone? So there is no difference?

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10-23-2010, 02:30 PM
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Isn't that circumvention of the waiver rules?

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Isn't that what happens when you waive someone? So there is no difference?
What I mean is that some other team OUTSIDE the Flyers organization can grab him. So they just send him down instead of letting some other system grab him. Bring him up when we need him.

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10-23-2010, 02:32 PM
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Being honest, Carle HAS looked solid before he started playing with Pronger. No reason to start trading everyone around. Bartulis has been average in the 2 games he played
Bartulis isn't the guy we should start looking to make room for.

Gustafsson and Lehtivuori are coming around nicely. I'm not trying to overhype anything, but I'm starting to get excited about those two.

I don't think it's too lofty an expectation to have Gustafsson or Lehtivuori manageably fill Carle's role sometime between now and the end of 2011-12.

I'm particularly excited about Gustafsson's offensive potential. Doubt that either will be significantly better than Carle if better at all, but they will be younger, cheaper options.

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10-23-2010, 02:44 PM
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Count me in as someone else who is confused about the difference between loaning and waiving. If he's going to the AHL and he's past the requirements for waivers then he would have to go through waivers, right?

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What I mean is that some other team OUTSIDE the Flyers organization can grab him. So they just send him down instead of letting some other system grab him. Bring him up when we need him.
Ok I think you are answering but not in the clearest way. Is this what you are saying?

Waived:
Sent down, unless claimed by another organization (this is my understanding of being waived).

Loaned:
Sent down, but can't be claimed.

Is this correct?

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Ok I think you are answering but not in the clearest way. Is this what you are saying?

Waived:
Sent down, unless claimed by another organization (this is my understanding of being waived).

Loaned:
Sent down, but can't be claimed.

Is this correct?
Yeah.

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Ok I think you are answering but not in the clearest way. Is this what you are saying?

Waived:
Sent down, unless claimed by another organization (this is my understanding of being waived).

Loaned:
Sent down, but can't be claimed.

Is this correct?
But what constitutes the difference? What circumstances lead to one versus the other?

Because otherwise, nobody would ever "waive" anyone, they would "loan" them.

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10-23-2010, 03:50 PM
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Yeah, if people could just be loaned to skip waivers then no one would ever use waivers (well, almost never).

So I'm not sure how this is possible.

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Yeah.
Ok good deal.

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But what constitutes the difference? What circumstances lead to one versus the other?

Because otherwise, nobody would ever "waive" anyone, they would "loan" them.
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Yeah, if people could just be loaned to skip waivers then no one would ever use waivers (well, almost never).

So I'm not sure how this is possible.
Not sure if this is the case, my guess is that Bartulis probably still counts against the cap even though he is playing in ADK. So he is getting playing time but we can't make a move or something and replace him. Not saying this right...total guess.

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It's not permanent. They did this with Kukkonen a few years ago. He had like 2 weeks or a certain amount of games.

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Ok good deal.





Not sure if this is the case, my guess is that Bartulis probably still counts against the cap even though he is playing in ADK. So he is getting playing time but we can't make a move or something and replace him. Not saying this right...total guess.
That was my guess as well. Strictly a move to get him playing time.

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This sucks.

As for those saying Carle sucks...well, I'll just throw it out there that it would've been smart to trade him in the summer.

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Carle was good early in the season. I missed the past 2 games, what happened or is everyone just in negative Philly mode because we've been bad lately?

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Carle was good early in the season. I missed the past 2 games, what happened or is everyone just in negative Philly mode because we've been bad lately?
He has looked pretty bad when he has been put back with Pronger. Not pitching at the right moments anymore, alot more turnovers, and looks kinda lost while playing defensively. It is ashame though. I was starting to like him when he was playing well. Now he looks like the same ol Carle.

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Everybody is quick to get on Carle's case, but the fact is he was playing very well until Pronger entered the lineup.

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