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10-23-2010, 11:52 PM
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Damn.

****ing subway.

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10-23-2010, 11:53 PM
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I wouldn't mind a little heartless Sabremetrics.

The team is old... and some of our superstars haven't been superstars since mid-2009.
What do you mean by that?

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Has the window closed? Rollins and Utley looked like shells of their former selves.

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one thing i've always hated about sports and always will no matter who's winning, is when the owners and GM's get trophy's before coaches and players, something fundamentally wrong with it IMO...
Not in hockey...


Still, I can understand why. The team isn't there without the owner and gm.

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It's a joke, man.

I thought I was among my own in this thread. Can't you give me a pass and let me be miserable and unreasonable?
Yes, I was 10 times worse when the Flyers lost the Cup.

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Still had the best regular season record. So there's that.

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This doesnt hurt that bad because of 08, if they didnt win in 08 I would really think this city is cursed.

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Not in hockey...


Still, I can understand why. The team isn't there without the owner and gm.
yeah i meant to edit my post once i did it towards hockey, but i disagree about owners and GM's, players last longer than GM's and coaches, Owners unfortunately for some teams are a lot harder to replace, but i'd rather the players and coaches who sacrifice their bodies and minds every day, rather than suits in suites taste the trophy first is all...

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10-23-2010, 11:59 PM
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I think Hamels is only going to get better and will be a top 5 pitcher next year. Need to get younger.

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10-24-2010, 12:00 AM
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I do have to say, while I wouldn't say the window has closed or anything, we are looking at a pretty significant offensive downgrade next year when you look at Ibanez' deterioration and the likely Werth-Brown swap.

Offense just didn't get it done in the POs, bottom line, we always said a 2 week slump at the wrong time could kill this team and this time, it did.

Really, I thought the pitching was absolutely exceptional for most of the series, offense just didn't show up, Game 4 was the real killer though.

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10-24-2010, 12:03 AM
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Their offense will be worse next year, but with their pitching staff, they don't need to hit as well as they did in '08 to be a contender.

Rollins is beyond fixing as a hitter, but I think Utley will be back. He needs some time off. This team has played a lot of baseball over the last few years, and he has had his share of injuries.

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I do have to say, while I wouldn't say the window has closed or anything, we are looking at a pretty significant offensive downgrade next year when you look at Ibanez' deterioration and the likely Werth-Brown swap.

Offense just didn't get it done in the POs, bottom line, we always said a 2 week slump at the wrong time could kill this team and this time, it did.

Really, I thought the pitching was absolutely exceptional for most of the series, offense just didn't show up, Game 4 was the real killer though.
yup, great point. Hot hitting, or scoring in hockey, at the right time will win you a streak of games, but consistency will for the most part always trump streaks. I think thats what most fans have an issue with the phillies and in the same respect flyers offenses, and its been shown lately in the past few months and post seasons unfortunately in our regards.

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10-24-2010, 12:04 AM
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What do you mean by that?
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Has the window closed? Rollins and Utley looked like shells of their former selves.
(Of course, both of these players were injured).

In terms of skills, particularly offensively, ballplayers fall off of a cliff around age 30. Some emerge, some do not. Some switch playing styles to remain effective at the Major League level and some use steroids.

For a variety of reasons, it took a long time for this Phillies core to come together. We got a brief flash of brilliance with all players in the late stages of that precious 27-29 year-old window. Now all of them except for Victorino are over that 30 year old hump. Most have depreciated in value significantly over the last two seasons, and we're saddled with a lot of massive contracts for players who performed frighteningly poorly this post-season.

Amaro let the bloom fall off the rose that previous GMs had carefully tended.

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10-24-2010, 12:05 AM
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I still don't understand what Howard was looking at. I know he's not a contact hitter. But COME ON. This is for the season, man. That was a strike ALL THE WAY and you can't even foul it off??? Is it too late to retract that contract extension?

If we hit .050 better this series, we win. Pitiful.

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10-24-2010, 12:07 AM
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Need more consistent hitting for 2011.

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10-24-2010, 12:08 AM
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Has the window closed? Rollins and Utley looked like shells of their former selves.
No, there's still a breeze coming through, but after next year it'll be over.

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10-24-2010, 12:12 AM
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I still don't understand what Howard was looking at.
What makes it worse is that pitchers were getting an extra foot on the right side of the plate tonight. Howard had to know to contest that pitch after they played 8 and 2/3s.

I raged, but I suppose it's just another strike-out for a strike-out prone hitter.

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yup, great point. Hot hitting, or scoring in hockey, at the right time will win you a streak of games, but consistency will for the most part always trump streaks. I think thats what most fans have an issue with the phillies and in the same respect flyers offenses, and its been shown lately in the past few months and post seasons unfortunately in our regards.
For sure, obviously every team has its ups and downs, but the Phils' downs seem to be very extreme. I mean, we must have hit around .150 with RISP and I bet we had around 30-35 chances.

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10-24-2010, 12:17 AM
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What makes it worse is that pitchers were getting an extra foot on the right side of the plate tonight. Howard had to know to contest that pitch after they played 8 and 2/3s.

I raged, but I suppose it's just another strike-out for a strike-out prone hitter.
I think everyone watching, or at least those who watch Phillies baseball knew he was going to strike out, I for one was waiting for the pitch low and inside that he loves to swing over the top of. But if there's one person I'd want to face as a SF fan, it was Howard going into that at bat, once he walked up to the plate, it was game over.

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10-24-2010, 12:26 AM
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If you can't hit anything other than home runs, you're not going to hit at all.

Werth is gone, find a way to get rid of Ibanez. Brown plays next year. If there's no answer for other OF position, there's nothing wrong with a platoon.

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10-24-2010, 12:31 AM
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Yeah, the long layoffs this team experienced killed the momentum we had.

I'm betting that Utley and Rollins are not totally healed.

If we could drop Ibanez, and keep Werth, that would be nice.

But to be sure, the pitching was good in the series. We got beat on small ball, and the fact we simply were not hitting. The pitching on both sides was very good.

Look for a revamped bench and some new relievers come next March, that is where we are going to get younger.

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10-24-2010, 12:32 AM
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If you can't hit anything other than home runs, you're not going to hit at all.
The Phillies were living on homeruns up until June 2009.

Since then, they've been living on... nothing.

I'd take home runs at this point.

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I hope they use this for motivation.

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Yeah, the long layoffs this team experienced killed the momentum we had.

I'm betting that Utley and Rollins are not totally healed.

If we could drop Ibanez, and keep Werth, that would be nice.

But to be sure, the pitching was good in the series. We got beat on small ball, and the fact we simply were not hitting. The pitching on both sides was very good.

Look for a revamped bench and some new relievers come next March, that is where we are going to get younger.
It could be, but the Phillies had 8 or 9 days off before the 2008 World Series and did just fine. I always feel there's something to it, but if you're good enough you're good enough, too.

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It could be, but the Phillies had 8 or 9 days off before the 2008 World Series and did just fine. I always feel there's something to it, but if you're good enough you're good enough, too.
perhaps, but i think the Rays were outmatched and the Phillies were lucky not to face the BoSox that series. Peyton Manning won a Super Bowl too, and you can never take that away from him. But in the end he only managed to beat Rex ****ing Grossman, if the Bears have a half competent QB, they win a SB... He faced a team last year with an equal at QB and ended up short yet again as well...

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