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10-26-2010, 01:33 PM
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Best Flyer Ever?

So my UPS guy asked me(a lifelong NYR fan) who I thought the best Flyer ever was, I told him Bernie Parent, he said Bobby Clarke...

Would anyone consider Lindros in his prime to be the best?

Now I ask the crew who should know best, not based on stats but just what they've seen....who is the best person to ever wear the sweater? ...AND WHY DO YOU SAY SO???

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I'd have to say Jody Shelley.

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I'd have to say Jody Shelley.
I wish we could put Shelley, Jones, and Brashear on one line. think of the possibilities!

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I'd have to say Jody Shelley.
Love it. $ for production, easily the best deal, too.

As to the OP... I am not old enough to have really appreciated the Broad Street Bullies, though I have watched some of the games.

Simple fact is that in his prime, Eric Lindros was amongst the greatest hockey players ever... so if you want to talk about a short spurt, it's probably Lindros. However, longevity (and accomplishments) matter, and he's lacking there.

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Chris Therien, by far, the greatest player to put on a Flyers uniform.

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Lindros in his prime.

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Greatest Flyer ever has to be Clarke.

You could argue Lindros was the most talented Flyer ever, though.

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#1. Bernie Parent
#1A. Bobby Clarke

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Not taking anything away from Bernie, to me Bobby Clarke is the epitome of a Flyer and the greatest Flyer. He personifies relentlessness and most of the catchphrases tried by recent Flyers PR people. His game combined skill, grit and heart and you rarely find that in one player.

Lindros was more talented though.

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Love it. $ for production, easily the best deal, too.

As to the OP... I am not old enough to have really appreciated the Broad Street Bullies, though I have watched some of the games.

Simple fact is that in his prime, Eric Lindros was amongst the greatest hockey players ever... so if you want to talk about a short spurt, it's probably Lindros. However, longevity (and accomplishments) matter, and he's lacking there.
I agree with that assessment of 88. He could have been so much more...

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1. Chris Pronger
2. Eric Lindros
3. Bobby Clarke
4. Peter Forsberg

Based on a one-year prime, who you want on your team.

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1. Chris Pronger
2. Eric Lindros
3. Bobby Clarke
4. Peter Forsberg

Based on a one-year prime, who you want on your team.

Now I know this is a subjective topic, but to have PRONGER at the top of the list is absurd. Even Forsberg on the list is ****ing retarded (based on 4 names that is)

I would have to say Bobby Clarke - He was the catalyst that the Flyers needed to make them who they are today. Of course he had his help. Parent would be a close 2nd.

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1. Chris Pronger
2. Eric Lindros
3. Bobby Clarke
4. Peter Forsberg

Based on a one-year prime, who you want on your team.
Lindros in his prime was FAR more of a force than Pronger was last year. Not only did he light it up on the scoreboard, but he was also literally beating the living crap out of the other team (Pronger is not that type of physical force anymore).

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Now I know this is a subjective topic, but to have PRONGER at the top of the list is absurd. Even Forsberg on the list is ****ing retarded (based on 4 names that is)

I would have to say Bobby Clarke - He was the catalyst that the Flyers needed to make them who they are today. Of course he had his help. Parent would be a close 2nd.
It depends upon the definition of the word "BEST". Is it based on talent/skill alone? One season? Career? Body of work as an NHLer or solely as a Flyer?

Having thought some more since my first post above, I would put Mark Howe down as the Flyers' best d-man of all time. Pronger would be a close second unless he, too, takes the team to two SC Finals. Still, Clarke and Parent would be my top submissions for best Flyers ever.

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Lindros in his prime was FAR more of a force than Pronger was last year. Not only did he light it up on the scoreboard, but he was also literally beating the living crap out of the other team (Pronger is not that type of physical force anymore).
I take Lindros in his prime over anyone in their prime that has ever played for the flyers (with the excpetion of Todd Bergen, oh what could have been!). Dont know what the greatest really means, the most talented and dominating was Lindros.

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Lindros in his prime was FAR more of a force than Pronger was last year. Not only did he light it up on the scoreboard, but he was also literally beating the living crap out of the other team (Pronger is not that type of physical force anymore).
Lindros may be the single most dominant hockey player ever to play. Problem is that span of time was pretty short.

Definitely the most all-around dominant hockey player I've ever seen (born in '87)

Edit: Answer to the original question is Clarke, with Parent as 1B. Clarke's the reason the franchise is what it is, for better or for worse.

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Lindros in his prime was FAR more of a force than Pronger was last year. Not only did he light it up on the scoreboard, but he was also literally beating the living crap out of the other team (Pronger is not that type of physical force anymore).
Hence why other teams went after his (Lindros') knees. I still hate Ulf Samuelsson, Michel Petit, and Igor Ulanov for that crap. And Kasparaitis and Stevens for going after his head.

Were Lindros born 10 years later, he'd have the league protecting him and would be putting together astronomical numbers post-lockout. They sure as heck weren't worried about player protection so much a decade ago.

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Not taking anything away from Bernie, to me Bobby Clarke is the epitome of a Flyer and the greatest Flyer. He personifies relentlessness and most of the catchphrases tried by recent Flyers PR people. His game combined skill, grit and heart and you rarely find that in one player.

Lindros was more talented though.
Here, here CG.

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I take Lindros in his prime over anyone in their prime that has ever played for the flyers (with the excpetion of Todd Bergen, oh what could have been!). Dont know what the greatest really means, the most talented and dominating was Lindros.
The definition is up for grabs, but if "best" is defined your way (most talented and dominating), you are correct.

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I'd have to say Jody Shelley.
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Lindros in his prime was FAR more of a force than Pronger was last year. Not only did he light it up on the scoreboard, but he was also literally beating the living crap out of the other team (Pronger is not that type of physical force anymore).
I was talking about one year based on their primes, regardless of whether or not their primes occurred in Philadelphia.

I misread what the opening post was asking for.

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Hence why other teams went after his (Lindros') knees. I still hate Ulf Samuelsson, Michel Petit, and Igor Ulanov for that crap. And Kasparaitis and Stevens for going after his head.

Were Lindros born 10 years later, he'd have the league protecting him and would be putting together astronomical numbers post-lockout. They sure as heck weren't worried about player protection so much a decade ago.
I'm not sure the league would be all that protective of Lindros... part of Lindros' deal was that he was an evil s.o.b. himself, and there comes a point where fair is fair. It's easy to protect Crosby for league marketing... but then again, there aren't clips like this of Crosby:


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I was talking about one year based on their primes, regardless of whether or not their primes occurred in Philadelphia.

I misread what the opening post was asking for.
Even then it's debatable... Pronger has had a significantly better career, but it would be hard to convince me that at his apex Lindros wasn't the most dominant hockey player (as others have noted) that we've ever seen in all facets of the sport.

He had a four year run of 1.49, 1.52, 1.58, and 1.52 PPG... all while taking a LOT of PIMs (cutting into his time on ice a bit), and a lot of those were intimidation PIMs. He was both an enforcer, and the best offensive player in the league (only guy close being Jagr at that time).

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Even then it's debatable... Pronger has had a significantly better career, but it would be hard to convince me that at his apex Lindros wasn't the most dominant hockey player (as others have noted) that we've ever seen in all facets of the sport.

He had a four year run of 1.49, 1.52, 1.58, and 1.52 PPG... all while taking a LOT of PIMs (cutting into his time on ice a bit), and a lot of those were intimidation PIMs. He was both an enforcer, and the best offensive player in the league (only guy close being Jagr at that time).
Lindros could pass, he could snipe, he could forecheck like a hellhound, and he could crush with his body. When he was on, he was nigh unstoppable. I think it was 1994 or 1995 (around the time of the mini-lockout) where he said the team needed him on the ice more than in the penalty box so he would try to cut down on the fighting. The Dan line (and similar goon lines), etc. was supposed to allow 88 to not fight as much.

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Ok probably Bobby Clarke.

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