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10-26-2010, 04:29 PM
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I'll take the best defensive forward in the history of the game

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10-26-2010, 04:32 PM
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Lindros by far and away was the best. He did everything on the ice and came damn close to bringing a cup to philly as well. He was over a PPG player for almost the entirety of his Healthy career, in a very clutch and grab defensive game. He hit fought passed and shot and every time he was on the ice everyone was aware, and the flyers seemingly always had a shot at scoring.

I'm not old enough to have seen Bobby Clarke or Bernie or Mark Howe but from clips that I have seen, knowing it was a completely different game back then, I still think by far Lindros played in one of the hardest times to score in the league and put up better numbers then 99 pct of guys who have played all time, all while carrying a mean streak and being a prototypical flyer.

I read an article a while ago talking about his PPG production vs Ovechkin over a 5 year period. The numbers were really similar other then games played. Lindros had almost a hundred less games played but was only about 50 goals behind ovi and 10 assists behind him but he almost doubled his +/- and had around 1.4 PPG Ovi was close at 1.3 but them even being comparable is all I need to know as to who the best Flyer ever was. On top of that Lindros had Ovi Beat in every other aspect of the game PIMs Fights.

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10-26-2010, 04:34 PM
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I'll take the best defensive forward in the history of the game
Bob Gainey never played for the Flyers, did he?


Seriously, Bobby Clarke is the only possible answer to the OQ.

I loved Lindros and Parent too, but Bobby's the best.

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10-26-2010, 04:38 PM
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Rico was considered a great d-man for the Flyers, his numbers: 738 games played, 93 goals, 303 assts, 396pts, +143.

Mark Howe: 594 GP, 138goals, 342assts, 480pts, +349.

Probably could be considered two of the best trades in franchise history too.
Given how you and I often mix like oil and water, I made light of it. Howe is one of my favorite-ever Flyers (and fave d-man), behind Poulin and Clarke. The trade of Brad McCrimmon is my least-favorite Flyers trade, ever.

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10-26-2010, 04:42 PM
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Lindros by far and away was the best. He did everything on the ice and came damn close to bringing a cup to philly as well. He was over a PPG player for almost the entirety of his Healthy career, in a very clutch and grab defensive game. He hit fought passed and shot and every time he was on the ice everyone was aware, and the flyers seemingly always had a shot at scoring.

I'm not old enough to have seen Bobby Clarke or Bernie or Mark Howe but from clips that I have seen, knowing it was a completely different game back then, I still think by far Lindros played in one of the hardest times to score in the league and put up better numbers then 99 pct of guys who have played all time, all while carrying a mean streak and being a prototypical flyer.
The bold explains the severe disadvantage under which you operate, my young friend.

To get a sense of what Clarke was like as a player and a leader, think about Richards performance last year in the playoffs and multiply by 10. He willed the team to win the Cup by sheer determination.

Lindros certainly had a huge impact, and I have always been one of his biggest fans, but it's still Bobby....

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10-26-2010, 04:52 PM
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Canucks fan here saying Bobby Clarke - unconditionally.

As a student at a hockey school I played against Clarke in a student/teachers game. The best students were chosen to play the instructors. I played defence. Clarke played against us students with just as much intensity and just as much nastiness as he ever played with in the NHL. He was sticking me, he speared me, and his stick was constantly flying by my head like a hatchet. Clarke was no longer a teacher; he was a player who was playing to win at all costs. He was a ****ing beast in the corners and way too much for a 13-14 year-old kid to handle. I'd love to think I held my own, but rather, I got owned. That's the most memorable thing I recall about Bobby Clarke. He didn't have a dial, he only had an off and on switch. If he was off the ice, the switch was off and Clarke was quiet and shy. If he stepped on to the ice, the switch went on and he became a beast. I got to know him fairly well and after that game I realized that the man had heart and had to win. Losing was not an option. His career, leadership and Stanley Cup rings speak for themselves.

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10-26-2010, 05:14 PM
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Assuming Carter and Brendl were type-o's.
Brendl was a joke, but Carter is better than Primeau, no doubt.

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10-26-2010, 05:17 PM
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So my UPS guy asked me(a lifelong NYR fan) who I thought the best Flyer ever was, I told him Bernie Parent, he said Bobby Clarke...

Would anyone consider Lindros in his prime to be the best?

Now I ask the crew who should know best, not based on stats but just what they've seen....who is the best person to ever wear the sweater? ...AND WHY DO YOU SAY SO???
No. 16 PERIOD. It is not even close. He defined what a Flyer stands for.


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10-26-2010, 05:28 PM
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Brendl was a joke, but Carter is better than Primeau, no doubt.
Eh... better offensively... not sure he has a bigger hand in winning and losing games.

I think people forget how much of a force Primeau became under Hitch... was a beast down the middle for that team, and freed up some rather weak veterans to have way less defensive responsibility than they might have had otherwise.

That will change if Carter can get back to being that 40 goal force.

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10-26-2010, 05:37 PM
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Bobby Clarke defined an NHL franchise, one of the most succesfull franchis's in the world. You say Flyers, and the first player anyone will ever mention will be Clarke.

That alone makes Clarke the "best Flyer"

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10-26-2010, 06:04 PM
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1. Chris Pronger
2. Eric Lindros
3. Bobby Clarke
4. Peter Forsberg

Based on a one-year prime, who you want on your team.
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Clarkie was the truest definition of a leader. He could have taken the '06 team to the finals on sheer will and determination. If Lindros had had an ounce of that the Flyers would have owned the entire decade back in the '90's, and I'm a huge Lindros fan. Not sure how to even describe it, he just was really that special, and without the physical gifts many of the all time greats had. One of a kind.

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10-26-2010, 08:20 PM
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I'd have to say Jody Shelley.
Jason Werth best flyer ever

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10-26-2010, 08:20 PM
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I take Lindros in his prime over anyone in their prime that has ever played for the flyers (with the excpetion of Todd Bergen, oh what could have been!). Dont know what the greatest really means, the most talented and dominating was Lindros.
his golf career was only dwarfed by his hockey career


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10-26-2010, 08:35 PM
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I'll go with my first thought and say Clarke.

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All this talk of Parent is absurd. Don't get me wrong, I like Ryan and all.....







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For a single season I think you would also have to look at Leach and I am surprised there is not much mention of LeClair, at least not before some of these names.

I think I would go with Parent, we are talking about GREATNESS here and it does not get much greater than leading your team to two cups and being, however briefly, the most dominant goaltender to play for any team. Clarke was the face of the franchise and not only during his career but well after (he is still employed by the Flyers now).

If you were to say who had the best career, Clarke easily, who had the most talent, Lindros for sure. Who was the greatest DMan? Tie between Randy Jones and Chris Therien!!!

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10-27-2010, 09:19 AM
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Given how you and I often mix like oil and water, I made light of it. Howe is one of my favorite-ever Flyers (and fave d-man), behind Poulin and Clarke. The trade of Brad McCrimmon is my least-favorite Flyers trade, ever.
I am just pointing it out to some of the newcomers to Philly hockey who will always insist Eric Lindros is the greatest Flyer ever. He was a good player, but Howe and the teams of the 1980's were above and beyond the late 1990's Lindros led Flyers. I would put Tim Kerr and Eric Lindros in the same pool, great players who had a knack to get it done but injury cut things short.

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10-27-2010, 09:22 AM
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I am just pointing it out to some of the newcomers to Philly hockey who will always insist Eric Lindros is the greatest Flyer ever. He was a good player, but Howe and the teams of the 1980's were above and beyond the late 1990's Lindros led Flyers. I would put Tim Kerr and Eric Lindros in the same pool, great players who had a knack to get it done but injury cut things short.
No he was a great player.

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Since the thread title is pretty vague, If you were talking best flyer of all time, the only arguement is Clarke just because he basically defined his entire franchise to this day and is probably the best defensive forward ever, even considering his elite scoring and playmaking abilites. I would have Parent as a distant second.

If you want to talk the most dominant prime, I'm sure most people would agree that Big E from 94-98 was an unstoppable force.

However the greatest flyer in my eyes is always.... well, you can figure that out by looking under my avatar.


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10-27-2010, 10:57 AM
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No he was a great player.
Was Tim Kerr a "great player", as good as Lindros?

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Was Tim Kerr a "great player", as good as Lindros?
no he was not as good as Lindros.

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In my lifetime, Lindros easily.

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Definitions are necessary for such a discussion. I'd say Forsberg is the greatest talent to wear the O&B, followed closely by Pronger; however, they both played their best hockey elsewhere.

For greatest Flyer, I give another vote to Clarke, especially with the barriers he overcame (diabetes, etc.) to – like SeanVT395 said – define this franchise. Second, for me, is my namesake over Lindros. As dominant a player as he was, the off-ice crap with Lindros was a huge bit of baggage for the club.

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10-27-2010, 01:23 PM
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no he was not as good as Lindros.
Kerr in his prime was a great hockey player. He along with Cam Neely changed the fwd position.

Here are just some numbers to look at:
79GP; 54-39-93pts
74GP; 54-44-98pts
76GP; 58-26-84pts
75GP; 58-37-95pts
69GP; 48-40-88pts
458pts

And:
61GP; 41-34-75pts
65GP; 44-53-97pts
73GP; 47-68-115pts
63GP; 30-41-71pts
71GP; 40-53-93pts
451pts

So I took each players five best seasons and just totaled the numbers, looks pretty even just from a numbers standpoint.

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