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10-21-2010, 02:06 PM
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I've got a feeling Cullen's going to be a bit hot and cold.

When other teams key on him too much, his production will suffer. When they let up (likely when Koivu's line starts to make them pay for it), Cullen's production will spike up again.

I'd be overjoyed if he can set a career high in points, any more than that and it's a gift.

As for the stats. For once, I'd like to see us be in the top 10 for shots per game... I mean, if we're winning, meh. But if we could be a team that takes 30 shots a game, it's obviously a recipe for success...

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Whoops, forgot to change the cell.

TeamPtsPts/GPGFAGAASOG/GPPP%PK%FO%
Minnesota Wild51.003.152.3628.445.885.255.6
League Rank2017720251143

I can also do On Pace pretty easily, which is hilarious 5 games in. Zidlicky's going to break 100 points! Barker a -49, Fletcher sucks!

On Pace
PlayerGPGAPts+/-Sh
Matt Cullen824982131-16164
Marek Zidlicky802780107-27133
Mikko Koivu8233669833213
Antti Miettinen8216668216328
Martin Havlat820828216246
Andrew Brunette8233336616164
Brent Burns82331649-16197
Guillaume Latendresse823316490131
Cal Clutterbuck82330330246
Cam Barker8203333-4966
Justin Falk8201616160
Nick Schultz8201616-1633
John Madden8216016-6649
Kyle Brodziak82016161698
Brad Staubitz8100000
Greg Zanon82000082
Eric Nystrom82000-8298
Clayton Stoner79000-4040
Chuck Kobasew82000-82115

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10-21-2010, 04:09 PM
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The Wilds GAA is 2.36? and thats only 20th best in the league? Wow, there must be some serious D being played.

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Whoops, forgot to change the cell.

TeamPtsPts/GPGFAGAASOG/GPPP%PK%FO%
Minnesota Wild51.003.152.3628.445.885.255.6
League Rank2017720251143

I can also do On Pace pretty easily, which is hilarious 5 games in. Zidlicky's going to break 100 points! Barker a -49, Fletcher sucks!

On Pace
PlayerGPGAPts+/-Sh
Matt Cullen824982131-16164
Marek Zidlicky802780107-27133
Mikko Koivu8233669833213
Antti Miettinen8216668216328
Martin Havlat820828216246
Andrew Brunette8233336616164
Brent Burns82331649-16197
Guillaume Latendresse823316490131
Cal Clutterbuck82330330246
Cam Barker8203333-4966
Justin Falk8201616160
Nick Schultz8201616-1633
John Madden8216016-6649
Kyle Brodziak82016161698
Brad Staubitz8100000
Greg Zanon82000082
Eric Nystrom82000-8298
Clayton Stoner79000-4040
Chuck Kobasew82000-82115
I like that Staubitz is going to go 81 games without registering a stat.

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Yeah those two stats look shady...

I keep that spreadsheet at work so I'll double check it on Monday. I'm sure after those two games we'll drop.

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Nystrom looks like a bust. Maybe its just his line, but he is doing squat and CF overpaid him thinking he was going to have a breakout few seasons. Also kobasew is really bad too. Need to trade that guy. I'm hoping Fletch starts trading guys that aren't working.

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TeamPtsPts/GPGFAGAASOG/GPPP%PK%FO%
Minnesota Wild51.003.152.3628.445.885.255.6
League Rank2017720251143

I can also do On Pace pretty easily, which is hilarious 5 games in. Zidlicky's going to break 100 points! Barker a -49, Fletcher sucks!

On Pace
PlayerGPGAPts+/-Sh
Matt Cullen824982131-16164
Marek Zidlicky802780107-27133
Mikko Koivu8233669833213
Antti Miettinen8216668216328
Martin Havlat820828216246
Andrew Brunette8233336616164
Brent Burns82331649-16197
Guillaume Latendresse823316490131
Cal Clutterbuck82330330246
Cam Barker8203333-4966
Justin Falk8201616160
Nick Schultz8201616-1633
John Madden8216016-6649
Kyle Brodziak82016161698
Brad Staubitz8100000
Greg Zanon82000082
Eric Nystrom82000-8298
Clayton Stoner79000-4040
Chuck Kobasew82000-82115
Atta kid Martin Havlat...

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Nystrom looks like a bust. Maybe its just his line, but he is doing squat and CF overpaid him thinking he was going to have a breakout few seasons. Also kobasew is really bad too. Need to trade that guy. I'm hoping Fletch starts trading guys that aren't working.
Nystrom hasn't been too good early on, but I feel like he's a lot safer than having one of our young guys up here. At least he can play at this level. That's my feeling right now.

That Kobasew trade looks horrible right now. The 2nd is what hurts the most, so if we can re-coup that pick somehow, that will be good.

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Nystrom hasn't been too good early on, but I feel like he's a lot safer than having one of our young guys up here. At least he can play at this level. That's my feeling right now.

That Kobasew trade looks horrible right now. The 2nd is what hurts the most, so if we can re-coup that pick somehow, that will be good.

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NM, I don't have PIM's in there...because I don't really care about them, but I can add them if you guys want.

Top 5:

PlayerGPGAPts+/-GPGPPGSPG
Matt Cullen7369-20.431.292.14
Mikko Koivu726840.291.142.71
Martin Havlat706600.000.862.57
Antti Miettinen724620.290.863.71
Guillaume Latendresse733620.430.861.43

Bottom 5:

PlayerGPGAPts+/-GPGPPGSPG
Nick Schultz7011-20.000.140.43
Chuck Kobasew7000-70.000.001.43
Clayton Stoner3000-10.000.000.33
Eric Nystrom7000-50.000.001.43
Greg Zanon7000-10.000.000.86

Most Improved:

PlayerPrev GPGCurr GPGPct ChgPrev PPGCurr PPGPct ChgPrev SPGCurr SPGPct Chg
Matt Cullen0.200.43117%0.591.29117%2.412.14-11%
Brent Burns0.060.43571%0.430.7168%2.211.86-16%
Guillaume Latendresse0.350.4324%0.510.8667%2.051.43-30%
Cam Barker0.070.00-100%0.300.5067%1.500.83-44%
Antti Miettinen0.250.2913%0.530.8661%2.223.7168%

Least Improved:

PlayerPrev GPGCurr GPGPct ChgPrev PPGCurr PPGPct ChgPrev SPGCurr SPGPct Chg
John Madden0.130.1413%0.290.14-51%1.610.86-47%
Chuck Kobasew0.180.00-100%0.310.00-100%1.451.43-1%
Clayton Stoner0.000.000%0.250.00-100%0.630.33-47%
Eric Nystrom0.130.00-100%0.230.00-100%1.111.4329%
Greg Zanon0.020.00-100%0.190.00-100%0.730.8618%

Still too early for the numbers not to look funky, but Mittens is shooting the puck a lot more this year compared to last.

On Pace:

PlayerGPGAPts+/-Sh
Matt Cullen823570105-23176
Mikko Koivu8223709447223
Guillaume Latendresse8235357023117
Antti Miettinen8223477023305
Martin Havlat82070700211
Marek Zidlicky80164864-3280
Brent Burns82352359-12152
Andrew Brunette82232347-12129
Cam Barker8104141-2768
Kyle Brodziak822312350117
Cal Clutterbuck8223023-12223
Brad Staubitz8101414014
Justin Falk82012121235
Nick Schultz8201212-2335
John Madden8212012-4770
Chuck Kobasew82000-82117
Clayton Stoner78000-2626
Eric Nystrom82000-59117
Greg Zanon82000-1270

Interesting that Lats and Bruno are already on pace for expectations (or lofty expectations). Hard to imagine Cullen will keep up that pace, but I think it's entirely possible Koivu could come close to putting up those numbers. Again, too small a sample size.

Speaking of which, from what I recall in stats classes, these numbers tend to bear out after about 20% of the games, so roughly the end of November is when they will start to look pretty realistic.

Team Stats:

TeamPtsPts/GPGFAGAASOG/GPPP%PK%FO%
Minnesota Wild71.002.962.6827.338.785.752.1
League Rank20187142611210

Sure enough this one was messed up, I believe it's fixed now. A couple bad games and the Wild drop down the rankings.

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If we ever have someone on this team in the next 20 years break 100 points I'd be considerably shocked

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Nystrom looks like a bust. Maybe its just his line, but he is doing squat and CF overpaid him thinking he was going to have a breakout few seasons. Also kobasew is really bad too. Need to trade that guy. I'm hoping Fletch starts trading guys that aren't working.
He is what he is, a ~10 goal 4th liner who plays physical, capable of handling all 3 forward positions, and can fight in the light-middle-weight range. I didn't like the years or price we paid for him, but its not like he's not doing what is expected of him.

Kobasew, yeah he should probably have scored a couple by now, but Madden kills any line offensively. I'm really confused how he's ahead of Brodziak still. We didn't give Sykora much time, why bother giving Madden any longer? Get Almond up here to play 4th line center, Madden in the pressbox, waive him to give him a chance to play elsewhere, but when he clears might as well keep him up for insurance for now.

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He is what he is, a ~10 goal 4th liner who plays physical, capable of handling all 3 forward positions, and can fight in the light-middle-weight range. I didn't like the years or price we paid for him, but its not like he's not doing what is expected of him.

Kobasew, yeah he should probably have scored a couple by now, but Madden kills any line offensively. I'm really confused how he's ahead of Brodziak still. We didn't give Sykora much time, why bother giving Madden any longer? Get Almond up here to play 4th line center, Madden in the pressbox, waive him to give him a chance to play elsewhere, but when he clears might as well keep him up for insurance for now.
Madden can play a two-way game, just came off a championship winning team where he was an actual part of it (Sykora was a healthy scratch for the Penguins) and integral part behind their PK. He can play on our PK and give other players the much needed rest. Look how good our PK is this year as opposed to last? The biggest issue we had was our PP was horrid and allowed shorties and our PK wasn't even close to what it had been in the years previous. The entire line looks lost that is all. Brodziak plays still with Havlat and Lats at times during the games (from what I've seen its usually the first period). Not to mention Sykora had a concussion already on this team last season and whined about PP time.

Having Almond come up now does nothing but risk another Jimmy Shep. Fletcher is trying to allow these kids to grow so when they do get moved up next year and the year after, they can actually play at the level required of them, make adjustment physically, and prepare through the lower competitive need for the system they'll play in the NHL. Why does everyone think because you get someone the previous year they should be able to come up and play NHL quality play that quickly? Koivu wasn't rushed after being drafted and he's grown into probably one of the best players we've ever had.


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Madden can play a two-way game, just came off a championship winning team where he was an actual part of it (Sykora was a healthy scratch for the Penguins) and integral part behind their PK. He can play on our PK and give other players the much needed rest. Look how good our PK is this year as opposed to last? The biggest issue we had was our PP was horrid and allowed shorties and our PK wasn't even close to what it had been in the years previous. The entire line looks lost that is all. Brodziak plays still with Havlat and Lats at times during the games (from what I've seen its usually the first period). Not to mention Sykora had a concussion already on this team last season and whined about PP time.

Having Almond come up now does nothing but risk another Jimmy Shep. Fletcher is trying to allow these kids to grow so when they do get moved up next year and the year after, they can actually play at the level required of them, make adjustment physically, and prepare through the lower competitive need for the system they'll play in the NHL. Why does everyone think because you get someone the previous year they should be able to come up and play NHL quality play that quickly? Koivu wasn't rushed after being drafted and he's grown into probably one of the best players we've ever had.
James Sheppard made this team at 19, with no AHL experience. Was expected to be a 50-60 point 2nd line center in his prime.
Cody Almond is 21, with some NHL experience, and into his 2nd season in the AHL. Is expected to be a 20-30 point 4th liner in his prime.

A major difference IMO. Keep in mind Madden was essentially a PK guy for the Hawks, as their 4th line didn't play all that much 5-on-5. And for him to sign with us tells me Chicago didn't want him back, at any price. By all means we can continue to play Madden if we feel no one in Houston is NHL-ready, but if someone is, John Madden's play shouldn't be keeping them out of the lineup.

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James Sheppard made this team at 19, with no AHL experience. Was expected to be a 50-60 point 2nd line center in his prime.
Cody Almond is 21, with some NHL experience, and into his 2nd season in the AHL. Is expected to be a 20-30 point 4th liner in his prime.
According to Hockeysfuture, Almond is rated as a 6.5B prospect right now. That equates to him being between 3rd and 2nd line actually. http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/cody_almond
Also, he saw 7 games last season with the Wild, and 48 with the Aeros (according to Wiki and not these two sources)before that was playing with the WHL, and no AHL experience in between those two.
http://wild.nhl.com/club/player.htm?id=8474042.
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=89903
So where is he expected to be only a 20-30 point 4th liner in his prime exactly??

And I wouldn't consider 7 games at the NHL level to be "some" that is barely even a taste.

According to Hockeysfuture, when Sheppard was drafted he was a 7.5 prospect, so in between 2nd and 1st line forward basically. http://www.hockeysfuture.com/playerprojections/

The difference between the two is one was assessed while still playing QMJHL while Cody was given the chance to go to Houston to play. What happens if Cody comes up as a better faceoff winner and is able to handle the forecheck a lot better than Sheppard could because of that experience? Instead of having a 21 year old come up with only 7 games in the NHL and expect him to not get eaten alive by some of the hard nosed centers that he would be going against at that moment? Didn't work for Sheppard so why would it work for Almond?


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A major difference IMO. Keep in mind Madden was essentially a PK guy for the Hawks, as their 4th line didn't play all that much 5-on-5. And for him to sign with us tells me Chicago didn't want him back, at any price. By all means we can continue to play Madden if we feel no one in Houston is NHL-ready, but if someone is, John Madden's play shouldn't be keeping them out of the lineup.
Knowing the people that I know within the Chicago organization, I can tell you they wouldn't of minded having him there, but the $1.25M we gave him was probably still out of the price range they wanted to spend to a team that was already imploding as it was because of how many people they were letting go. That was 1.25 that probably brought up two more players to the NHL from Rockford that they needed to fill the voids. They loved him there not because of his point production, but because of what he was able to do on the line and his positive attitude. This is a guy who never scored more than 23 goals in his career, and he has 3 stanley cup rings. And food for thought:

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Madden is regarded as one of the league's best defensive forwards; he was awarded the Frank J. Selke Trophy in 2001, and finished second in voting 2003, 2004 and 2008. His penalty-killing skills often generate breakaway chances while his team is shorthanded. Madden led the NHL and set a Devils' team record—and tied the NHL rookie record (G. Minor, Van., ’80-81)—by scoring six shorthanded goals during the 1999–00 season.
BTW, he scored all 10 of his goals for the Blackhawks at Even Strength. None on the PP or the PK:

http://blackhawks.nhl.com/club/player.htm?id=8466371

Its also hard to get time when you have the team they had out there. He was brought in for a specific purpose to this team, just like Chicago needed him for.

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Last night a team that's not afraid to play young kids made us look really old. Sheppard didn't bust because he played in the NHL. He busted primarily because he's not any good.

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Last night a team that's not afraid to play young kids made us look really old. Sheppard didn't bust because he played in the NHL. He busted primarily because he's not any good.
Hey, it happens from time to time with certain players that make the leap. How many NBA prospects out of college were phenoms in their own right at their university that just sucked in the NBA....

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ITT playing young kids = automatic WIN?

keep the stats coming. some of these guys will progress greatly. no way can anyone keep a pace for -82

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Some stats before the weekend:

Top 5:

PlayerGPGAPts+/-GPGPPGSPG
Matt Cullen93710-20.331.112.22
Mikko Koivu9371060.331.112.44
Antti Miettinen824630.250.753.38
Guillaume Latendresse833620.380.751.63
Marek Zidlicky7145-30.140.710.86

Bottom 5:

PlayerGPGAPts+/-GPGPPGSPG
Brad Staubitz801100.000.130.38
Justin Falk901130.000.110.33
Chuck Kobasew9101-60.110.111.44
Eric Nystrom9000-50.000.001.22
Greg Zanon9000-20.000.000.89

Most Improved:

PlayerPrev GPGCurr GPGPct ChgPrev PPGCurr PPGPct ChgPrev SPGCurr SPGPct Chg
Matt Cullen0.200.3369%0.591.1188%2.412.22-8%
Cam Barker0.070.00-100%0.300.5067%1.500.83-44%
Clayton Stoner0.000.000%0.250.4060%0.630.8028%
Brent Burns0.060.33422%0.430.6757%2.211.67-25%
Guillaume Latendresse0.350.388%0.510.7546%2.051.63-21%

Least Improved:

PlayerPrev GPGCurr GPGPct ChgPrev PPGCurr PPGPct ChgPrev SPGCurr SPGPct Chg
John Madden0.130.2276%0.290.22-24%1.610.89-45%
Andrew Brunette0.300.22-27%0.740.56-25%1.571.56-1%
Chuck Kobasew0.180.11-40%0.310.11-64%1.451.440%
Eric Nystrom0.130.00-100%0.230.00-100%1.111.2210%
Greg Zanon0.020.00-100%0.190.00-100%0.730.8922%

Wild Stats:

TeamPtsPts/GPGFAGAASOG/GPPP%PK%FO%
Minnesota Wild101.112.732.4025.633.384.351.9
League Rank14151622291129

On Pace

PlayerGPGAPts+/-Sh
Matt Cullen82276491-18182
Mikko Koivu8227649155200
Guillaume Latendresse8130306120132
Antti Miettinen8120416130273
Marek Zidlicky80114657-3469
Brent Burns822727550137
Martin Havlat82055550182
Andrew Brunette821827469128
Cam Barker7904040-2666
Clayton Stoner78031311662
Kyle Brodziak8218927-9100
Nick Schultz829918-946
Cal Clutterbuck8218018-9200
John Madden8218018-2773
Brad Staubitz8101010030
Justin Falk820992727
Chuck Kobasew82909-55118
Eric Nystrom82000-46100
Greg Zanon82000-1873

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thanks for keeping this up! how does Chuck Kobasew get his first goal yet his GPG takes a -40% hit?

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Because before it was -100%

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Because before it was -100%
i may be being dense, but I read (under the Least Improved table) the -40% as being 40 percent worse than the week before...which he wasn't. he actually improved more --nowhere to go but up for him.
you can't go from no points to one point and take a hit on your points per game, right?

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Oh sorry I was going from year to year.

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alright! sorry about that--i should have actually read closer.

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Fixed another issue, for some reason Yahoo includes OT losses in the loss column:

TeamPtsPts/GPGFAGAASOG/GPPP%PK%FO%
Minnesota Wild101.002.562.4625.631.084.951.9
League Rank20212120302118

Big number for me is points per games played, and right now we're 21st in the league, exactly where we ended up last year. Not good. Right around the same rank in goals for and against too. PP is slipping, PK is slipping as well as faceoffs. Team is slumping even though it's gotten a couple wins out of it.

Current Stats

PlayerGPGAPts+/-GPGP/GS/G
Mikko Koivu10381150.301.102.70
Matt Cullen103710-40.301.002.40
Guillaume Latendresse833620.380.751.63
Antti Miettinen824630.250.753.38
Marek Zidlicky8246-30.250.750.88
Brent Burns10336-20.300.601.50
Martin Havlat10066-10.000.602.20
Andrew Brunette1024600.200.601.50
Cam Barker6033-20.000.500.83
Kyle Brodziak10213-10.200.301.10
Clayton Stoner602210.000.330.67
Nick Schultz10112-20.100.200.60
Cal Clutterbuck10202-20.200.202.40
John Madden10202-30.200.201.10
Justin Falk1001130.000.100.30
Brad Staubitz901100.000.110.44
Chuck Kobasew10101-70.100.101.40
Greg Zanon10000-20.000.000.90
Eric Nystrom10000-60.000.001.50

Improved

PlayerPrev G/GCurr G/GPct ChgPrev P/GCurr P/GPct ChgPrev S/GCurr S/GPct Chg
Matt Cullen0.200.3052%0.591.0069%2.412.400%
Cam Barker0.070.00-100%0.300.5067%1.500.83-44%
Guillaume Latendresse0.350.388%0.510.7546%2.051.63-21%
Antti Miettinen0.250.25-1%0.530.7541%2.223.3852%
Brent Burns0.060.30370%0.430.6041%2.211.50-32%
Marek Zidlicky0.080.25225%0.550.7536%1.490.88-41%
Clayton Stoner0.000.000%0.250.3333%0.630.677%
Mikko Koivu0.280.309%0.891.1024%3.082.70-12%
Justin Falk0.000.000%0.000.100%0.330.30-10%
Brad Staubitz0.060.00-100%0.130.11-13%0.510.44-13%
Martin Havlat0.250.00-100%0.740.60-19%2.322.20-5%
Andrew Brunette0.300.20-34%0.740.60-19%1.571.50-5%
Nick Schultz0.010.10700%0.250.20-20%1.040.60-42%
Kyle Brodziak0.110.2082%0.390.30-23%1.711.10-36%
Cal Clutterbuck0.180.2014%0.280.20-30%1.842.4031%
John Madden0.130.2058%0.290.20-31%1.611.10-32%
Chuck Kobasew0.180.10-46%0.310.10-67%1.451.40-3%
Greg Zanon0.020.00-100%0.190.00-100%0.730.9024%
Eric Nystrom0.130.00-100%0.230.00-100%1.111.5035%

On Pace

PlayerGPGAPts+/-Sh
Mikko Koivu8225669041221
Matt Cullen82255782-33197
Guillaume Latendresse8030306020130
Antti Miettinen8020406030270
Marek Zidlicky80204060-3070
Brent Burns82252549-16123
Martin Havlat8204949-8180
Andrew Brunette821633490123
Cam Barker7803939-2665
Clayton Stoner78026261352
Kyle Brodziak8216825-890
Nick Schultz828816-1649
Cal Clutterbuck8216016-16197
John Madden8216016-2590
Brad Staubitz81099036
Justin Falk820882525
Chuck Kobasew82808-57115
Greg Zanon82000-1674
Eric Nystrom82000-49123

Things that stand out to me:

- Lats, Bruno, Nystrom, and Kobasew aren't shooting the puck...1.5 shots per game is not going to get it done
- Cullen came back down to Earth, but Koivu is still lighting it up
- Koivu +5 and Cullen -4

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