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10-26-2010, 11:51 PM
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that 03-04 Preds team wasn't anything special either, even though they made the playoffs. Nashville didn't get really good until after the lockout.

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the last two in particular.

Besides that, he's been on playoff teams.

He plays sheltered minutes and still hovers around even adjusted +/-. He's no Olausson, but then this is the AAA draft.
He played sheltered minutes in Nashville, but he's been on Minnesota's go-to guys. He's very often matched up in a shut-down role.

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And lastly, because I have to back up my claim about Jiri Kralik being a legitimate MLD starter:

Jirí Králík, G



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- Recognition as the best goalie in his league:

- Czech League Top Goalie (1982)
- Czech League All-Star Team (1982)
- Czech League 2nd All-Star Team (1983 - behind young Hasek)
- Czech League Top Goalie according to "Magazine Tip" (1979, 1982, 1983 - over young Hasek)

- Recognition as the best goalie in international tournaments:

- WEC All-Star Team (1982, 1985)
- WEC Top Goalie (1982, 1985)

- Recognition as the best player in his league:

- Golden stick voting record: 4th-1979, 4th-1980, 5th-1982, 2nd-1983, 1st-1985

- Recognition as the best player in Europe:

- Golden Hockey Stick voting record: 7th-1982, 5th-1983, 1st-1985

- Team Sucess Domestically:

- Czech League Champion (1982, 1983)

Team Success Internationally:

- WEC Gold Medal (1985)
- WEC/Olympic Silver Medal (1979, 1982, 1983, 1984)

- Statistical Domestic Dominance:

Kralik's post-1976 seasons saw him rack up some very dominant goals against averages, three of them more statistically dominant than Dominik Hasek ever had in Czechoslovakia:

(I realize GAA is a team stat and many other factors apply here, and Hasek is much much better, but this is the best we have)

- 1977: 43% below average
- 1979: 41% below average

- 1980: 29% below average
- 1981: 20% below average
- 1982: 42% below average
- 1983: 39% below average
- 1985: 34% below average

The Ups and Downs of Relegation:

Kralik had an interesting career path. He started with the lowly club team Gottwaldov at age 16 in the 1969 season, playing what appears to be one game (it says he had 3 GA that year, so I assume one game). The next season was the start of a rollercoaster ride for a team that couldn't decide whether it was the worst premier division team or the best of Division 2. It is assumed that Kralik played every game but I can't say for sure. His actual GAA was likely better, by virtue of empty net goals and that he most likely had an understudy that he was better than, who played some games with a higher GAA:

- 1970: 7-22-7, 4.92 team GAA, last in division 1, relegated
- 1971: 22-3-1, 1.96 team GAA, first in division 2, promoted
- 1972: 8-20-8, 3.44 team GAA, last in division 1, relegated
- 1973: 20-4-2, 2.27 team GAA, 2nd in division 2 (2 pts behind leader)
- 1974: 34-5-5, 2.00 team GAA, first in division 2, promoted
- 1975: 9-29-6, 4.30 team GAA, last in division 1, relegated
- 1976: 34-4-6, 1.75 team GAA, first in division 2, promoted

Then he moved to Dukla. This was a team that had a strong history already and had the lineup to finally make Kralik a winner. The previous season they were 24-17-15 with a 2.41 GAA, 24% lower than the division 1 average.

- 1977: 32-7-5, 2.05 GAA, 43% below division 1 average (Gottwaldov went to 3-35-6 in Division 1 without Kralik, averaging 5.73 GAA)
- 1978: 14-29-1, 3.73 team GAA, 11th in division 1, narrowly escaped relegation (not sure what happened here)
- 1979: 24-11-9, 1.91 team GAA, 41% better than division 1 average (Kralik's stats are available, and it says he played just 33 of the 44 games with a 1.77 GAA. He actually outperformed the league average by 45%)
- 1980: 31-8-5, 2.57 GAA, 2nd best in league, 29% better than division 1 average)
- 1981: 26-18 (ties were eliminated), 4th in league, 3rd-best team GAA, 2.98, 20% better than division 1 average
- 1982: 37-7, easily 1st in league, 2.02 GAA tops in league, 42% better than division 1 average
- 1983: 28-10-6, 1st in league, 2.27 GAA tops in league, 39% better than division 1 average (17-18-year old Dominik Hasek averaged 2.67 GAA this year)

Then Kralik went back to where it all started: Gottwaldov. They had slowly battled their way up to 7th in the first division since he left. In 1983 they had been 5% over the league average GAA.

- 1984: 14-26-4, 3.55 team GAA, 11th in Division 1, narrowly escaped relegation (Kralik played 24 of 44 games and SIHR says his GAA was 3.42, meaning any other goalies for this team would have averaged 3.71 - not the best year for Kralik, but he at least topped the league average of 3.49) (Dukla continued to be great, but beat the league average by 29% instead of the 39% with Kralik the year before) (18-19-year old Dominik Hasek averaged 2.81 this year)
- 1985: 22-14-8, 2.34 GAA (tops in div1), 3rd in Division 1 despite being 9th/12 teams in scoring. What a difference a full season of Kralik makes! He was 34% below the league average this year. This was the season he earned the golden stick (Cze) and the golden hockey stick (europe) (19-20-year old Dominik Hasek averaged 3.25 this year)

Kralik then left the Czech league. Gottwaldov sunk down to 6th in Division 1 without him. Their 3.00 GAA wasjust 15% below the league average as opposed to 34% below the year before.

Dominik Hasek's 5 dominant Czech league seasons began at this time. Let's take a look at how much lower than the league average his GAA was, in these 5 seasons he spent as top goalie, three of them as the golden stick winner:

1986: 10% better
1987: 24% better
1988: 7% better
1989: 24% better
1990: 39% better (in this season Hasek joined Dukla Jihlava. The previous season they were just 15% below the league average in GAA. Paradubice actually got relegated without Hasek, with a GAA 31% above the average, a massive swing without Hasek.)


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10-27-2010, 01:17 AM
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Any idea why Kralik never started at the 81 or 84 Canada Cups (he was the backup in 81)?

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Any idea why Kralik never started at the 81 or 84 Canada Cups (he was the backup in 81)?
in 1981, I have no idea. Karel Lang played the rest of the minutes. He was a division 2 goalie the season before. The three seasons prior to that he was in division 1, with a cumulative average of 3.45, compared to Kralik's 2.74. The only accolades I can find for the guy are that he was 8th in golden stick voting (Czech only) in 1980 (ahead of Kralik) and 1982 (behind Kralik). In 1981, the season immediately preceding this canada Cup, neither goalie was named the best in the league. Your guess is as good as mine.

Is it possible Kralik was the starter and got injured?

In 1984, the mantle was already Hasek's. Kralik just seized it back one last time the next year.


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10-27-2010, 01:44 AM
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Is it possible Kralik was the starter and got injured?
It doesn't look like it; Kralik only played the third period in relief in the September 7, 1981 game vs. the USA.

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It doesn't look like it; Kralik only played the third period in relief in the September 7, 1981 game vs. the USA.
Hmm, this was not following Kralik's best regular season, but he had been getting some recognition for the golden stick before that. It's hard to make sense of now, but it looks like following the 1981 season Lang may have been held in higher regard than Kralik. (Kinda like Ranford was held in higher regard than Roy circa 1991)

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Nice! One of my "best remaining" guys following AA10.
I wasn't sure if I should take him or not, but I felt that I should get a second PP lw for my 4th line, and my research had him as the best I could find. But I'll freely admit that at this point my research lags behind some of you.

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10-27-2010, 03:00 AM
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Hmm, this was not following Kralik's best regular season, but he had been getting some recognition for the golden stick before that. It's hard to make sense of now, but it looks like following the 1981 season Lang may have been held in higher regard than Kralik. (Kinda like Ranford was held in higher regard than Roy circa 1991)
That's what I was assuming. Maybe they saw Kralik at 29 as being too old to be the future and wanted to give the 23 year old Lang experience?

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Toledo listpicks center Anatoli Semenov

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Winnipeg Skipped picks:

C Daymond Langkow

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RW Ian Laperriere Great 4th Liner had a 21 goal season in Colorado.
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Johnstown selects defenseman Grant Ledyard

Ledyard is a guy who will provide leadership on our defense and our team, much like Driver, who me and Arcand picked in the MLD, Ledyard showed some offensive tendencies in his career.

More on Ledyard can be found here:

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London Bandits take back-up goalie Niklas Backstrom

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Another skipped pick Winnipeg selects F/D Gary Leeman

-Stanley Cup Winner
-1989 All-Star Game Participant
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The Tigers draft Roger Jenkins.



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He proved to be a solid player who could check and contribute offensively. Jenkins was a consistent performer on the Chicago Black Hawks' first Stanley Cup team in 1934 and was on hand to help the Montreal Maroons win it all the next year. In 1938 he led all post-season players with six assists while helping Chicago win its second Stanley Cup.

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Queen's University select left winger Dan Maloney, the popular scoring line role player who recorded four 20+ goal seasons, two 66-point seasons, and scored four playoff points on Sittler's line when the Leafs reached the Stanley Cup semifinals for the first time in 11 years in the 1978 postseason. Dan was the Red Wings' captain at the time he was traded to Toronto, two years after playing in the 1976 NHL all-star game. While he stood up for teammates and fought a lot, the 1st round NHL pick was not drafted to simply fight and he played in many game situations, even recording 13 powerplay markers in his 10th season to go with his three other 5 or more pp goal seasons, known to physically claim space around the opposition's net for screens, deflections and rebounds.



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The Chicago Black Hawks liked Dan's rugged play and claimed him in the 1970 amateur draft (1st choice,14th overall). Dan quickly established himself as one of the leagues premier pugilists. He won some memorable fights as a rookie, but he also contributed offensively. Over the years Dan fought the toughest players and won many of his fights, even though a serious shoulder injury slowed him down a bit in later years. He was never afraid to drop 'em. His fearless attitude was his greatest ally in the NHL trenches.

Dan went to Los Angeles in exchange for Ralph Backstrom.

Dan's stint in LA lasted little over two years. He had a career high 66 points (27goals and 39 assists) in 1974-75. Bob Pulford, the coach behind the Kings bench, considered Dan to be one of his key players. But when owner Jack Kent Cooke signed free agent Marcel Dionne from Detroit, Dan and defenseman Terry Harper were shipped to Michigan as compensation in 1975.

"Losing Maloney was a big blow to what we were trying to accomplish in LA. He was our leader, a much respected player," Pulford said.

In his first season with the Red Wings Dan equaled his career high 66 points In Detroit he quickly became GM Ted Lindsay's favorite player and became the team captain. Lindsay, who himself was one of the toughest players of his era, appreciated Dan's similar style of play.

Toronto is the place where Dan would be traded to in 1978. Dan of course welcomed the opportunity to play for Toronto.

"I was making Detroit my year-round home and enjoying my life there, where I felt a part of the community," Dan said back then. "The Wings were building with young players. But moving to the Leafs was a great chance for me, jumping to a club that's a contender with a good shot at some big things.

Not only Dan was excited to land in Toronto, Leafs GM Jim Gregory said. " A big need on our team was a tough, aggressive left winger and no one filled the bill better than Maloney."

Coach Roger Neilson said "With Dan, Tiger Williams and Pat Boutette on our team, left wing is probably our toughest position, physically."

Bruins coach Don Cherry, a noted expert on hockey's tough guys, was envious.

"At the time the trade was made, I said that it was a good one for the Leafs. They picked up a good, tough, experienced winger who fitted right in with what the team was trying to do."

Dan was immediately reunited on a line with his junior line mate Sittler and Lanny McDonald and helped Toronto reach the Stanley Cup semifinals for the first time in 11 years. Dan eventually played in Toronto until his retirement in 1982.

Dan was certainly no speed demon on his skates, but he worked very hard to improve his skating. He lacked the natural scorer's touch around the net and had to work hard for everything he accomplished. His strength wasn't only his right and left fists but also his overall work ethic and leadership qualities. Dan was a really good cornerman and stood his ground around the enemy net.
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D Joe Reekie





RW Ian Laperriere Great 4th Liner had a 21 goal season in Colorado.
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2/3 good picks.

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C Anatoli Semenov



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Semenov may not be a household hockey name to North American fans, but he is well-respected in Russia where he played for a solid decade with Moscow Dynamo, earning USSR First-Team All-Star honors in 1985 for his fine play. That season, the crafty forward, possessing good playmaking abilities and a keen sense of on-ice awareness, notched 17 goals and added 12 assists in only 30 games.

Semenov debuted for the Oilers in the 1989-90 postseason, playing two games.

Semenov enjoyed one of his best seasons in the NHL as a member of the Oilers when he notched 20 goals in only 59 games during the 1991-92 season. Unfortunately for Oilers fans, the Semenov was claimed by the Tampa Bay Lightning during the 1992 NHL Expansion Draft.

Semenov played only 13 games with the Lightning before he was traded to the Vancouver Canucks for Dave Capuano and a fourth round draft pick. Semenov played well in Vancouver but only stayed long enough to finish the season. He filled in admirably on a line with Russian superstar Pavel Bure, filling in for the departed Igor Larionov. The duo started the season on fire, but by the end of the year Semenov was bumped off the top line in favor of newly acquired Murray Craven.

The journeyman center enjoyed stints with the Anaheim Mighty Ducks, Philadelphia Flyers, and Buffalo Sabres before leaving the NHL after the 1996-97 season. Despite hints of greatness in practically every NHL stop, Semenov ultimately arrived in the NHL too late to make an impact. He was on the downside of his career, and couple that with the tough adjustment to western life most older Russian players had in the early 1990s, and Semenov never truly got untracked. He was a very clever playmaker, reminding me in glimpses of Larionov.

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Winnipeg will go with coach Brian Sutter.

Adams voting results: 1,2,2,5,7,8,10 + 2 other single vote seasons.

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2/3 good picks.
Who was the bad pick?? Laperriere?? Hes a 4th line Banger, with a ton of experience.

Thoughts on Leeman?

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Who was the bad pick?? Laperriere?? Hes a 4th line Banger, with a ton of experience.

Thoughts on Leeman?
Yeah. Langhow is a solid hard working center who can play a lower 6 role I think.

Reekie developed into a very good crease clearing defensive defenseman.

Laperriere? Career 4th line grinder, who never did anything special in the playoffs. I'd prefer a guy with talent (either offensive or defensive) who can grind, rather than a guy who can grind and nothing else. But if you do pick a pure grinder, I want one who actually contributed to winning teams.

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Yeah. Langhow is a solid hard working center who can play a lower 6 role I think.

Reekie developed into a very good crease clearing defensive defenseman.

Laperriere? Career 4th line grinder, who never did anything special in the playoffs. I'd prefer a guy with talent (either offensive or defensive) who can grind, rather than a guy who can grind and nothing else. But if you do pick a pure grinder, I want one who actually contributed to winning teams.
How many 4th liners in this thing have a 20 goal season to there credit?? And his primary role will be a banger for 4-6 mins a night,

Thoughts on Leeman....

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And you get the second guy I thought about when picking Kea too.

Jude Drouin, C



- 6th in NHL in asisst in 1970-71
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An efficient even strength scorer with 0.5 ESPG, talented PP player with 0.22 PPPG, and a penalty killer near the end of his career, Drouin raised his game a ton in the playoffs - improved to 0.94 PPG in playoffs - and that was over a big sample size of 72 games, where he scored 68 pts. He has five PPG playoffs, and four of them were great runs to conference finals! Simply an excellent playoff performer.

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Not all aspects in hockey are based on % and statistics, this guys a warrior and would great 4th line spark plug for any team in the AAA.

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