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10-27-2010, 01:30 PM
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Why do so many of you hate Darche so much?
He plays very well away from the puck and does all the little things right. Just because he is not as flashy offensively as Boyd, it does not mean he isn't as good.

He does the boring stuff we don't notice, but his veteran presence is useful to the lineup.

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Why do so many of you hate Darche so much?
He plays very well away from the puck and does all the little things right. Just because he is not as flashy offensively as Boyd, it does not mean he isn't as good.

He does the boring stuff we don't notice, but his veteran presence is useful to the lineup.
I find around these boards people tend to stick to majority opinions and drive them into the ground without thinking too much about it. Especially when it comes to older players. Their importance on a team in terms of those special details you hear coaches talk about is exremely underrated on these boards.

Personally, I agree with you. Darche has done his job very well. He also played with Halpern in Tbay so there is some chemistry and a lot of veteran experience there. That and I think that if the coaching staff is playing him there instead of someone else I tend to go with the "they must know what they are doing" attitude. At first glance I thought Boyd was bringing energy and I liked what I saw, but there must be something defensively he isn't doing and I trust the coaching staff we have in place when it comes to making these decisions. Expecially when we are winning.

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I never question JM's decisions, but I don't get why Boyd is scratched...maybe he's injured or something? I think he was playing great, constantly taking the puck to the net.

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Pouliot on the fourth... it could make such a fantastic 3rd line if Pouliot would play alonside Eller and Lapierre.
I would definitely try it but it seems Martin isn't too eager to play multiple rookies on the same line.

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I find around these boards people tend to stick to majority opinions and drive them into the ground without thinking too much about it. Especially when it comes to older players. Their importance on a team in terms of those special details you hear coaches talk about is exremely underrated on these boards.

Personally, I agree with you. Darche has done his job very well. He also played with Halpern in Tbay so there is some chemistry and a lot of veteran experience there. That and I think that if the coaching staff is playing him there instead of someone else I tend to go with the "they must know what they are doing" attitude. At first glance I thought Boyd was bringing energy and I liked what I saw, but there must be something defensively he isn't doing and I trust the coaching staff we have in place when it comes to making these decisions. Expecially when we are winning.
Well put, Jigger77. I agree on the Boyd opinion, I think Boyd showed some good things but there must be little things he lacks that the regular fan does not notice. We need to appreciate Darche more because of his willingness to do the less flashy and more boring, necessary and useful little things that helps the team win games.

Also, as the media has been repeating a lot lately, why fix something that isn't broken? (Or something like that haha)

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10-27-2010, 01:47 PM
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While I would like to see Pouliot on the 3rd with Eller and Lapierre. It is encouraging to see that Martin is now going to be using Eller as a center.

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I would definitely try it but it seems Martin isn't too eager to play multiple rookies on the same line.
He might be right about that though. But the three of them are playing responsibly since the begining of the season.

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Why do so many of you hate Darche so much?
He plays very well away from the puck and does all the little things right. Just because he is not as flashy offensively as Boyd, it does not mean he isn't as good.

He does the boring stuff we don't notice, but his veteran presence is useful to the lineup.
I don't hate Darche...I just think he's not an NHL player. He's an average AHL'er IMO.

He works hard and does the simple things on the ice, but doesn't bring any added value to the team IMO.

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I don't hate Darche...I just think he's not an NHL player. He's an average AHL'er IMO.

He works hard and does the simple things on the ice, but doesn't bring any added value to the team IMO.
Same here.

A player like Darche is easily replaceable. Put him on waivers, im sure nobody will pick him up. Every teams has a tons on Darche. He's not a fast skater, he's not physical, he don't have a good shot etc.. etc.. he's a very very average guy. Nothing against him but its like that.

I rather have a guy like White, at least, he brings something to the team.

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I never question JM's decisions, but I don't get why Boyd is scratched...maybe he's injured or something? I think he was playing great, constantly taking the puck to the net.
Okay before I say anything hurtful I'll just let you know that I know what you meant. You mean there must be something behind the scenes we don't know about, an injury, maybe a trade, some reason other than the obvious why he isn't being played.

But I just found the sentence funny. I don't question JM's decisions... BUT WHY THE **** IS BOYD SCRATCHED! zomggggg!1!1!11

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I don't hate Darche...I just think he's not an NHL player. He's an average AHL'er IMO.

He works hard and does the simple things on the ice, but doesn't bring any added value to the team IMO.
Exactly. When you're a career minor leaguer, there's a reason for it.

He may be a hard worker and a great guy, and I'm sure he is, but I don't want him on my NHL team.


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Same here.

A player like Darche is easily replaceable. Put him on waivers, im sure nobody will pick him up. Every teams has a tons on Darche. He's not a fast skater, he's not physical, he don't have a good shot etc.. etc.. he's a very very average guy. Nothing against him but its like that.

I rather have a guy like White, at least, he brings something to the team.
In his defense I'd be willing to say his shot is better than most people think. But he isn't on our team for that role and right now imo I think the team would benefit greatly by having 3 offensive lines and 1 checking. Adding Boyd over Darche could make that happen. That's my personal reasoning for wanting Darche out, and I think White could add more to the team in general as well.

But like others have mentioned - have faith in your coach. If he's doing something that seems a bit sketch, chances are he's doing it for a reason.

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I do not hate Darche and appreciate his contributions to the club. Having said that, I have seen more in Boyd's game this year and last that makes me prefer him in the lineup.

Anyways I hope the boys don't take tonight lightly and keep the streak going, and I also hope Nino gets his head taken off in a completely legal and non suspendable way

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Exactly. When you're a career minor leaguer, there's a reason for it.

He may be a hard worker and a great guy, and I'm sure he is, but I don't want him on my NHL team.
well ill be damned, nittany is one of the molson brothers.

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But I just found the sentence funny. I don't question JM's decisions... BUT WHY THE **** IS BOYD SCRATCHED! zomggggg!1!1!11
I just hope he will really play well one of those days.

that way, we are gonna say: "That's a good Boyd"

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I don't hate Darche...I just think he's not an NHL player. He's an average AHL'er IMO.

He works hard and does the simple things on the ice, but doesn't bring any added value to the team IMO.
Same here problem is we have too many of players like Darche,Gauthier needs to do something about it,either go out and get that top 6 winger or tell Martin use Pouliot or Eller and go with it for a while not 2-3 games

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Why do so many of you hate Darche so much?
Point out where folks are hating Darche.

Thought not...

We're concerned about the coaches decision to dress him, and discussing what he brings. You're the only one flying off the handle.

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Why do so many of you hate Darche so much?
He plays very well away from the puck and does all the little things right. Just because he is not as flashy offensively as Boyd, it does not mean he isn't as good.

He does the boring stuff we don't notice, but his veteran presence is useful to the lineup.
No one hates Darche,no one wants to see him in the top 6

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Point out where folks are hating Darche.

Thought not...

We're concerned about the coaches decision to dress him, and discussing what he brings. You're the only one flying off the handle.

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No one hates Darche,no one wants to see him in the top 6
Oh come on guys, get real. It is the newest thing to complain about Darche being in the lineup instead of some young kids like Boyd or White.

Habs 4 Life, everyone is complaining about him being in the lineup in general, even in the bottom six, over the players I previously mentioned. Obviously Martin sees the benefit of having a player like him in the lineup over the others.

It's as if just because a player is young and has some offensive flair every now and then, he is better than a solid veteran who does all the little things right.

Granted, Darche won't be as solid offensively. But I like having him in the bottom six, we need a player like him to play effectively in the tough areas, (again)doing all the little things right and not getting all fancy. He played his way into the lineup last season, and just because White had a great pre-season it does not mean he will be as effective during the full season as an NHL player. The same goes for Boyd, who also still needs to get used to the system.

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Oh come on guys, get real. It is the newest thing to complain about Darche being in the lineup instead of some young kids like Boyd or White.
Habs 4 Life, everyone is complaining about him being in the lineup in general over the players I previously mentioned.

It's as if just because a player is young and has some offensive flair every now and then, he is better than a solid veteran who does all the little things right.

Granted, Darche won't be as solid offensively. But I like having him in the bottom six, we need a player like him to play effectively in the tough areas, doing all the little things right and not getting all fancy.
Well I ain't part of the everyone hate on Darche and have absolutely no problem with him being in the lineup but I do have a problem with him being in the top 6.Martin should also use Eller for example in an offensive situation (top 6) instead of being conservative and playing guys like Pyatt or Darche in that role

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Well I ain't part of the everyone hate on Darche and have absolutely no problem with him being in the lineup but I do have a problem with him being in the top 6.Martin should also use Eller for example in an offensive situation (top 6) instead of being conservative and playing guys like Pyatt or Darche in that role
I agree with you that Darche should not be in the top 6. I think he is a solid bottom six player for the Habs that gets little recognition because of the lack of offensive flair he has.

I also agree your opinion that Eller should be used in the top 6 over players like Darche, Pyatt and Moen. But we have to remember this will be his first full season in the NHL and Martin is known for developing great payers like Spezza so we shouldn't really nitpick at little things like this. Eller should be at least given a chance on the top 6, though.

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I agree with you that Darche should not be in the top 6. I think he is a solid bottom six player for the Habs that gets little recognition because of the lack of offensive flair he has.

I also agree your opinion that Eller should be used in the top 6 over players like Darche, Pyatt and Moen. But we have to remember this will be his first full season in the NHL and Martin is known for developing great payers like Spezza so we shouldn't really nitpick at little things like this. Eller should be at least given a chance on the top 6, though.
Martin never developed Spezza,he never made him play because of his lack of defensive play which he is still horrible at today.For sure you try and make a player a complete one but when he is all offensive let him do what he can and slowly teach him the defensive part of the game not by scratching him like he did with Spezza.

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