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10-28-2010, 08:57 AM
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that is a terrible proposal. beyond terrible
How soon we forget.

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10-28-2010, 09:01 AM
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How soon we forget.
how soon we forget what?

are you being sarcastic?

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10-28-2010, 09:19 AM
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TO TOR :
Jeff Carter (great center)
Garrett Klotz (bad-decent prospect)

TO PHI :
Mikhail Grabovski (decent center)
Fredrik Sjostrom (fast skater, great PK)
Juraj Mikus (good dman prospect)
3rd Round Pick (2011)
5th Round Pick (2011)
wow that's a whole lot of poo for Jeff Carter

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10-28-2010, 09:28 AM
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You're both wrong.

Carter has scored 160 NHL goals in 431 NHL games for 0.37 GPG or 30.44 goals over an 82 game season.

We should trade him. 30 goals a year is not going to cut it. Why even bother?
Ollie Jokinen has scored 30 goals a couple years. How many times had he had his name on the Cup?

I think Carter has value and can be a good player in the NHL, but because he scored 40 one year we should not look at that as the benchmark, think more like 30-35 and a 60pt/yr player. Also look and see how he helps the team as a whole, does he make the players around him better? What could you get in return to help this club move forward?

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10-28-2010, 09:30 AM
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how soon we forget what?

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wow that's a whole lot of poo for Jeff Carter
WHOOOOOOOOOSH

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10-28-2010, 09:32 AM
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WHOOOOOOOOOSH
I knew some one would get it.

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10-28-2010, 09:40 AM
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I knew some one would get it.
It's shocking how many people didn't.

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10-28-2010, 09:49 AM
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It's shocking how many people didn't.
Yeah I was kind of hoping those who did get it would let the others keep going and thinking I was a crazy Leafs fan.

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10-28-2010, 10:03 AM
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Yeah I was kind of hoping those who did get it would let the others keep going and thinking I was a crazy Leafs fan.
I think you need to throw in another bad-decent prospect for that to happen.

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10-28-2010, 10:09 AM
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Funny you mention of all people to compare with Carter (not directly) Jumbo Joe the Choker in a thread where most people's concerns about Carter's play has been his distinct inability to come up in games where he's had the game quite literally on his stick.

That's something you can't prove with stats which it seems like a lot of people are taking to heart with him. I think people for the most part realize his skill set and he'll typically when healthy pot his fair amount of stats in a season which will make the stat crunchers happy, but that never has and never will tell the whole story when it comes to the game of hockey, Baseball - perhaps, but hockey is a different beast when judging stats in a free flowing game IMO.
Also take into account that a lot of Carters point fluffing is not a point per game, it is like the other night where he score 50% of his point total in one game. Also, what games are these, blowouts or close games?

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10-28-2010, 10:11 AM
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I'm just baffled, even flabber-gasted, that considering our goaltending problem .... people here still discuss other forwards they can get after moving Carter.

Philly needs goaltending ... if Carter is moved, I for one can see no justification for discussing anything other than how to secure a good netminder.

Doesn't have to be a one for one trade either... can trade Carter for someone, then dump that person or send him to minors, and use the capspace to hunt for a netminder.

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10-28-2010, 10:14 AM
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The person I always use as a reference is RAY SHEPPHERD. In the early 90s he scored 40-50 goals a year for Detroit, yet Detroit cr(pped the bed in the POs every time.

Wasnt till they traded him that WIngs started winning Cups. Everyone thought WIngs were crazy at the time.... who on earth gets rid of a 40-50 goal winger???

Turns out Ray's career nose-dived after the trade, while Wings did something they didnt do for decades: win Cups.

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10-28-2010, 10:21 AM
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The person I always use as a reference is RAY SHEPPHERD. In the early 90s he scored 40-50 goals a year for Detroit, yet Detroit cr(pped the bed in the POs every time.

Wasnt till they traded him that WIngs started winning Cups. Everyone thought WIngs were crazy at the time.... who on earth gets rid of a 40-50 goal winger???

Turns out Ray's career nose-dived after the trade, while Wings did something they didnt do for decades: win Cups.
How insightful. I mean, for every instance where a team trades their best goal scorer and wins a cup, I think I can show you 30 instances where a team trades their best goalscorer and wins nothing.

The case of Ray Sheppard has nothing to do with the Philadelphia Flyers of 2010-2011.

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10-28-2010, 10:22 AM
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Also take into account that a lot of Carters point fluffing is not a point per game, it is like the other night where he score 50% of his point total in one game. Also, what games are these, blowouts or close games?
That's how seasons work, which is why you can't take a 9 game sample and expand it to say this is what he will do. Carter is a streaky player, but I still love the accusation that he doesn't make his linemates better, with nobody actually being able to prove it. Yet people say "oh well Claude Giroux is better he makes his linemates better" when there isn't a player on this roster who has clearly benefitted from playing with him.

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10-28-2010, 10:41 AM
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That's how seasons work, which is why you can't take a 9 game sample and expand it to say this is what he will do. Carter is a streaky player, but I still love the accusation that he doesn't make his linemates better, with nobody actually being able to prove it. Yet people say "oh well Claude Giroux is better he makes his linemates better" when there isn't a player on this roster who has clearly benefitted from playing with him.
Carter is a N-S player who cannot slow the play down, he gets his assists on the secondary assists such as the other night or by shooting the puck and actually hitting the net and getting a fwd who can follow up on the rebounds. Carters idea of an offense zone cycle.....rush up the wing with the puck, take a bad angle shot, watch the puck swing around the boards and an odd-man rush going the other way.

Giroux is a player who looks to set up the other players on the ice and slow the play down and creates space by his ability to pass the puck. He creates lanes because he finds the soft spots in the zone, looks to get the puck deep, and set up the offense.

He gets the puck to places where his teammates can score(see pass to Nodl), whereas Carter relies on his ability to shoot and get bounces to create scoring chances. Passing can be a detriment as well, because a passer can look too often to pass and not shoot. This would also be solved if Carter had a one-timer and could play the wing, thus complementing two-wtyle of play on one line.

It is pretty simple actually.

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10-28-2010, 10:56 AM
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Why is Carter compared to Giroux? Giroux is a playmaker and a passer.

Both players are very different. Why compare them?

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Carter is a N-S player who cannot slow the play down, he gets his assists on the secondary assists such as the other night or by shooting the puck and actually hitting the net and getting a fwd who can follow up on the rebounds. Carters idea of an offense zone cycle.....rush up the wing with the puck, take a bad angle shot, watch the puck swing around the boards and an odd-man rush going the other way.

Giroux is a player who looks to set up the other players on the ice and slow the play down and creates space by his ability to pass the puck. He creates lanes because he finds the soft spots in the zone, looks to get the puck deep, and set up the offense.

He gets the puck to places where his teammates can score(see pass to Nodl), whereas Carter relies on his ability to shoot and get bounces to create scoring chances. Passing can be a detriment as well, because a passer can look too often to pass and not shoot. This would also be solved if Carter had a one-timer and could play the wing, thus complementing two-wtyle of play on one line.

It is pretty simple actually.
You leave out that Giroux 'creating space' and 'slowing the play down' is very much the old style of hockey that isn't as effective as it used to be. Slowing the play down in the new NHL also allows the defense to get back in position and allows the other teams forwards to get back and aid on D.

Carter does 2 things better then anyone else on the team. He isn't afraid to shoot because
- 100% of the shots you don't take, don't go in
- he has an awesome shot

Now, Carter is also the fastest skater on the team. While is sure doesn't look like it, he is always near the top in our team conditioning tests and routinely in the fastest skater competition. I believe his size makes him appear slower then he actually is, when you are at ice level, you realize just how much he flys.

I personally love having a Richards, Carter, and Giroux line because they all have their strengths and weaknesses, but they each do different things extremely well, with Carter's line being a line that utilizes the rush and rebounds, Giroux's line working on passing and one-timers, and Richards line focused on defense and good passing.

I want to keep these 3 players at all costs and have them all at Center. That might just be me though.

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10-28-2010, 10:57 AM
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Why is Carter compared to Giroux? Giroux is a playmaker and a passer.

Both players are very different. Why compare them?
The argument is that it's one or the other this offseason.

My argument is keep both and send Hartnell to LA for whatever you can get.

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10-28-2010, 10:58 AM
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I agree we might still need a goalie for at least 2 years,
so how about David Booth and Vokoun from Florida for
Carter and Boucher or Backlund
*runs and hides*

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The argument is that it's one or the other this offseason.

My argument is keep both and send Hartnell to LA for whatever you can get.
Thats not even an argument. Thats what should be done. That or moving someone else but keeping Carter and Giroux.

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10-28-2010, 10:59 AM
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I knew some one would get it.
I was a little stunned no one did at first considering that thread was stickied and we berated him for a good while. Somehow, Cartsiphan almost came up with an equally head-scratching proposal.

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10-28-2010, 11:04 AM
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I was a little stunned no one did at first considering that thread was stickied and we berated him for a good while. Somehow, Cartsiphan almost came up with an equally head-scratching proposal.
Yeah I was actually surprised no one posted that earlier. I figured I'd do it, get some laughs, and move on. At least some people appreciated it.

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10-28-2010, 11:09 AM
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I knew some one would get it.
NEEDS MORE INTANGIBLES. and unless we get skeletor back, im not interested.

To TOR: Carter, Bobrovsky

To PHI:

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NEEDS MORE INTANGIBLES. and unless we get skeletor back, im not interested.

To TOR: Carter, Bobrovsky

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Who's Skeletor? That was always my nickname for referee Terry Gregson.



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from the looks of him, skeletor appears to be just another washed up goon who can barely skate, yet homer would overpay.

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