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10-28-2010, 10:47 AM
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I can't wait to drink the tears of Carter Haters once he's re-signed to a big 7-year extension.
While 7 is a bit long, I can swallow a 5-6 year deal at $6-6.5

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I think so as well. Anything above 7 is when my eyebrows start to seriously go up, but there aren't that many 40-40 guys around in the league who are also great defensively.
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7mil for carter is a lot IMO

isn't that like 1mil shy of ovie? on par with crosby? carter != either of them
Ugh, not exactly. As mentioned earlier, Crosby gets closer to $9 and Ovy has years of getting $10, but the actual cap hits are slightly reduced since they both signed longterm.

In many ways, Carter at $6.5 is more then reasonable given his production. The only reason someone would object would be personal dislike, the stats back up a contract like that.

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I'd rather trade Carle and then bring up Gustafsson. Instead of trading Timonen.
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I would move Coburn and Timonen before I give up Matt Carle. Carle has looked very good, especially when paired with Meszaros. Timonen is a logical choice because of his cap hit, granted I still think he has some good years left. The era we are in now is all about value, and Timonen while not necessarily overpaid is a #2 making #1 money.
The problem is we have so much locked up in our D, that we need cheap forwards right now.

We NEED to move one of Timonen, Carle, Meszaros in the next year anyway. It's retarded to have 5 defenseman making over $3 (especially since 3 of them are 4+) but only have 4 forwards over $3 (with one of our high paid forwards being freaking Hartnell).

If I was the GM, my offseason plan is simple. I'd trade Timonen while he still has value (his value to cap hit is decreasing quickly as he ages, but it's tradeable as the last two years of his deal he only makes $8 total). I'd also trade Hartnell and Carcillo in order to keep some of the other players with priority going to

Carter
Giroux
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Leino
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Zherdev.

If possible, I would move Hartnell first and see how far I can go before moving Timonen, but let's face it, we can't afford to field a good and balanced squad with Briere and Timonen taking up nearly $13 mill of our cap space and them both starting next season at the ages of 34 and 36 respectively.

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10-28-2010, 10:51 AM
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I would:

Trade Carle, Walker, Shelley, Leighton
Keep Giroux, Carter and Leino
Let Zherdev walk

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10-28-2010, 10:57 AM
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I love Timonen, but I think this should be his last season as a flyer.

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10-28-2010, 11:01 AM
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Trade Carle, Walker, Shelley, Leighton
Keep Giroux, Carter and Leino
Let Zherdev walk
If I were the GM, I would do all of this except I'd keep Shelley and trade Carcillo. My reasoning is Shelley is a true heavyweight, we'd have to pay to dump him, and we have other guys who can fight the welterweights, but no one but Shelley to fight the heavyweights. I'd probably move Boosh over Leighton also, mostly the age factor.

Also, I'd address Zherdev last, but I would look to keep him around if possible given the cap and his salary demands (as well as his performance this season).

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I love Timonen, but I think this should be his last season as a flyer.
Sadly, I agree. We just can't afford to pay him that much to be a #2 defensemen when he is 36.

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10-28-2010, 11:05 AM
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I'd rather trade Carle and then bring up Gustafsson. Instead of trading Timonen.
Of course. I mean why the hell do we need someone to score goals for us. Trade that bum and bring Gustafsson.

Edit: I thought you said Carter. Take it back. My bad. I personally blame it on Cartsiephan.


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10-28-2010, 11:13 AM
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Of course. I mean why the hell do we need someone to score goals for us. Trade that bum and bring Gustafsson.
Might wanna read that quote again.

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10-28-2010, 11:17 AM
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Of course. I mean why the hell do we need someone to score goals for us. Trade that bum and bring Gustafsson.
Carle produced all of 6 goals last year, the same number as Kimmo.

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10-28-2010, 11:23 AM
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Might wanna read that quote again.
good catch.

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10-28-2010, 11:26 AM
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Kimo said unless something drastic happens, he is going to retire as a Flyer (it was a Euroflyer article posted during the summer. I dont have the link so dont ask. Look it up.) I highly doubt he gets traded. I dont think it would be smart to rely just on Pronger to be our #1 guy. Having 1, #1 guy on defense has never worked out for us. Carle/Coburn/Meszaros arent #1 guys. I think Carle or Coburn + Walker would be gone first.


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http://flyers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?...id=DL|PHI|home

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There is a sense that Timonen isn’t a consistently big voice in the Flyers lockerroom. However, when he does have something to say, his teammates listen.

“He’s like that old E.F. Hutton commercial,” McCarthy said (“When E.F. Hutton talks, people listen”). “When Kimmo talks, people stop what they’re doing and listen. He commands a lot of respect in that dressing room.”


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10-28-2010, 11:34 AM
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I don't see the Flyers dealing Kimmo. The reasons some people are leery of him are the same reasons other teams would be leery of moving assets for him. He has more value to us than in a trade, and if he can still contribute (which I think he can), he has a place on this team. The cap hit is worrisome, but that was the risk we ran when we signed him to that deal.

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10-28-2010, 11:41 AM
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I would:

Trade Carle, Walker, Shelley, Leighton
Keep Giroux, Carter and Leino
Let Zherdev walk
what are you honestly going to get for a 7th defenseman making 1.7 million and has a busted hip and a idiot goon making over 1 million on a 3 year deal.(Thanks Holmgren!) That my friend is waiver fodder. too bad Holmgren would never do it.
Leighton also just signed a deal and wont be traded. if Bobs keeps playing the way he has he has to stay up i would think(remember this is Holmgren here) I would trade Boucher for a low draft pick once Leighton gets back.
The rest I agree with you.

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10-28-2010, 11:44 AM
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Kimo said unless something drastic happens, he is going to retire as a Flyer (it was a Euroflyer article posted during the summer. I dont have the link so dont ask. Look it up.) I highly doubt he gets traded. I dont think it would be smart to rely just on Pronger to be our #1 guy. Having 1, #1 guy on defense has never worked out for us. Carle/Coburn/Meszaros arent #1 guys. I think Carle or Coburn + Walker would be gone first.


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http://flyers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?...id=DL|PHI|home
So did Gagne.

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10-28-2010, 11:56 AM
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So did Gagne.
Hey, if the team wants to really rely on 1 #1, and watch as Carle/Coburn and Meszaros (again) try take over Kimo's work so be it. It will be funny to watch.

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10-28-2010, 11:57 AM
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Carter @ 5.75 per over 4-6 years.

Sign Giroux and Lieno.

Trade/let him walk Carbomb.
Waive/Trade Walker :faceplam:

Keep Shelley as the HW.

Timmo should and more than likely will retire a flyer in couple of years would be my guess.
Sign Raffi Torres OR Curits Glencross OR Patrick Eaves (guys with more Offensive upsdie) in the offseaon - to replace Carbomb

Depending on this year we might want to hold on to Z.

Sign Powe.

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10-28-2010, 12:11 PM
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I think so as well. Anything above 7 is when my eyebrows start to seriously go up, but there aren't that many 40-40 guys around in the league who are also great defensively.
40-40 guys..........

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10-28-2010, 12:27 PM
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I would trade Boucher for a low draft pick once Leighton gets a back.
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40-40 guys..........
thats almost as funny as you saying Briere and Giroux are better, more rounded players then Carter.


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10-28-2010, 12:42 PM
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Fixed.
I had to read that 3 times to see what you did haha.

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7 years - 41 million I am OK with.

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10-28-2010, 03:03 PM
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thats almost as funny as you saying Briere and Giroux are better, more rounded players then Carter.
It will not be funny when Danny Briere has more points at the end of the season than the savior Cartsie.

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10-28-2010, 03:22 PM
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It will not be funny when Danny Briere has more points at the end of the season than the savior Cartsie.
since when does more points= more rounded player

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since when does more points= more rounded player
Logic won't work against an irrational target.

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10-28-2010, 03:31 PM
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since when does more points= more rounded player
Make you a deal.....you give Cartsie a defensive center award, and I will give Briere the offensive center award....win-win.

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Make you a deal.....you give Cartsie a defensive center award, and I will give Briere the offensive center award....win-win.
Okay that's fair.

We all know that offense wins championships.

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It will not be funny when Danny Briere has more points at the end of the season than the savior Cartsie.
Net +/- (i.e. including PP points to equalize a bit)

Briere
31-41-72 (-22) +15
29 GP, we'll ignore
26-27-53 (-2) +15

Carter
29-24-53 (+6) +24
46-38-84 (+23) +47
33-28-61 (+2) +24

In the best season of his career, Briere scored 95 points and his numbers would be (+17) +47.

In short... Briere can score more, it don't mean he'll be better than Carter as far as what the scores look like on the scoreboard at the end of the game. Ya know, the most important thing for the team.

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