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10-28-2010, 12:17 PM
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Both my shortlisted guys go.

Toledo selects D Dennis Kearns



6th in defence assists, 1976
6th in defence assists, 1977
7th in defence scoring, 1977
9th in defence assists, 1978

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Dennis Kearns was an excellent puck-moving defenceman with a good shot from the point who spent his entire ten-year NHL career with the Vancouver Canucks. He was useful on the power-play and with the team's transition game but he needed to be paired with someone who would stay back when Kearns embarked on one of his rushes or was pinching in at the blueline.

Offensively Kearns put up his most impressive numbers between 1975 and 1978 when he recorded 158 points in those three years. He registered 60 points in 1976-77, a team record until Doug Lidster broke it with a 63-point effort in 1986-87.

Kearns mobility and offensive savvy were sought by Team Canada at the 1977 and 1978 World Championships.
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A classic late bloomer, Dennis Kearns never played junior A hockey let alone be drafted by any NHL team. Yet somehow against these great odds, he established himself as a good puck moving defenseman in nearly 700 NHL games and in two world championships.

A playmaker at heart, he was criticized for his soft play defensively and his lack of goal scoring. But slowly but surely he emerged as a solid NHLer, especially manning the point on a power play.

"Kearns was never fully appreciated as a player in Vancouver. He played 10 years with the Canucks, was one of the best passers they ever had and was great at moving the puck. He was a smart defenseman," continued Robson.

During his career he scored just 31 goals but 290 assists for 321 points. His best campaign came in 1976-77 when he scored 5 goals and 55 assists to set a team record for defensemen with 60 points (since bettered). At the end of the season he was asked to represent Canada at the World Hockey Championships for the first of two straight years.


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10-28-2010, 12:27 PM
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- Perfect example of taking a guy who's really good at something while nothing special defensively, and the trade-off that you have to deal with when looking for a guy who can score, but is also tough
Maybe I need more coffee, but I have no idea what you said here. McKay was certainly above average defensively.
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- Career adjusted +75, not too shabby.
First half of his career as a 4th liner, but then second half on a checking line, so the competition probably evens out more or less.
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- I am pretty sure he scored an OT goal in the 2001 Leafs series.
You're correct. In the only game when the Devils' checking couldn't contain Sundin (he had 4 points in game 2 of the 2001 series), McKay did score the OT goal to win it for the Devils 6-5.

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- Did they really "shut down" Sundin in 2001? I know they did in 2000, but the 2001 series was a lot more back and forth. I remember them simply "winning the matchup" - what were Sundin's stats that series?
Lets see Sundin's playoff stats:
2000 Round 1 against Ottawa: 3-4-7 in 6 games
2000 Round 2 against NJ: 0-1-1 in 6 games

2001 Round 1 against Ottawa: 2-2-4 in 4 games
2001 Round 2 against NJ: 4-5-9 in 7 games, but 2-2-4 was in a 6-5 loss to NJ in game 2. In the other 6 games, Sundin had 2-3-5.

Your memory is correct. They completely shut Sundin down in 2000, but he produced pretty well in 2001. (They did shut down Lemieux and Jagr in the 2001 ECFs, however, as much as that could be done).

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10-28-2010, 12:37 PM
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Kearns' career -128 is actually an adjusted -30. GF/GA figures suggest he played 22.77 minutes a game which is among the best figures you'll find right now, and shows that he was playing good minutes, and not just sheltered PP specialist minutes. He placed 4-2-6-3-1-4-1-1-4-8 in ES icetime among d-men on the Canucks in his 10 full seasons with them.

As far as the PP goes, his 0.25 adj. PP points per game maintained over 677 games make him one of the best options out there. To me, only one is clearly better, one is extremely comparable, one will be better once he's played more games, and three reek of specialist, barely killing any penalties in their careers.

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10-28-2010, 12:41 PM
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Maybe I need more coffee, but I have no idea what you said here. McKay was certainly above average defensively.
I am the one that needs a coffee (still haven't had one today) - I meant "offensively" - does that make my sentence make sense now?

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You're correct. In the only game when the Devils' checking couldn't contain Sundin (he had 4 points in game 2 of the 2001 series), McKay did score the OT goal to win it for the Devils 6-5.
Do you remember that game? I do. It was WILD. I spent my whole 12-hour Domino's shift avoiding mentions of the game, which was tough because this is playoffs in Saskatchewan and I'm delivering to 40 different houses throughout the night, but I made it, got home and watched it on VHS. Leafs came back from 5-1 only to lose in OT... simply heartbreaking. Stumpy and Sundin were both clutch in the comeback, from what I recall.

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2000 Round 1 against Ottawa: 3-4-7 in 6 games
2000 Round 2 against NJ: 0-1-1 in 6 games

2001 Round 1 against Ottawa: 2-2-4 in 4 games
2001 Round 2 against NJ: 4-5-9 in 7 games, but 2-2-4 was in a 6-5 loss to NJ in game 2. In the other 6 games, Sundin had 2-3-5.

Your memory is correct. They completely shut Sundin down in 2000, but he produced pretty well in 2001. (They did shut down Lemieux and Jagr in the 2001 ECFs, however, as much as that could be done).
yahoo! memory still works. As for Lemieux and Jagr, I do remember their overall playoff stats being disappointing by their standards, although I don't think they were THAT dominant in rounds 1 and 2, either.

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10-28-2010, 12:56 PM
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I am the one that needs a coffee (still haven't had one today) - I meant "offensively" - does that make my sentence make sense now?
Yes, that's what I thought you meant. Though McKay is a guy who tended to score an inordinate amount of "clutch goals" compared to his regular stats. Though he does have twice as many 20 goal seasons as Ian Laperriere!

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Do you remember that game? I do. It was WILD. I spent my whole 12-hour Domino's shift avoiding mentions of the game, which was tough because this is playoffs in Saskatchewan and I'm delivering to 40 different houses throughout the night, but I made it, got home and watched it on VHS. Leafs came back from 5-1 only to lose in OT... simply heartbreaking. Stumpy and Sundin were both clutch in the comeback, from what I recall.
Oh I remember. That whole series was weird. I thought the Devils were clearly the more talented team overall, though Sundin was in his prime and the most talented forward on either team. But the Leafs just wanted it more.... until Domi woke up the Devils with the cheapshot on Niedermayer.

Very different from 2000, when the series only went 6 games because of Cujo.

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yahoo! memory still works. As for Lemieux and Jagr, I do remember their overall playoff stats being disappointing by their standards, although I don't think they were THAT dominant in rounds 1 and 2, either.
I think the 2001 playoffs was really the start of Jagr's depression problems that followed him to Washington. But still, the Lemieux/Jagr line was good enough to carry the Penguins into the Conference finals, until they were more or less shut down. My biggest memory of that series is John Madden suckering Mario Lemieux into passing him the puck by calling for it, and a frustrated Lemieux shooting the puck at Madden's head at the next stoppage.

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10-28-2010, 01:05 PM
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Oh I remember. That whole series was weird. I thought the Devils were clearly the more talented team overall, though Sundin was in his prime and the most talented forward on either team. But the Leafs just wanted it more.... until Domi woke up the Devils with the cheapshot on Niedermayer.
That's exactly how it went.

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I think the 2001 playoffs was really the start of Jagr's depression problems that followed him to Washington.
Yes, it definitely was.

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But still, the Lemieux/Jagr line was good enough to carry the Penguins into the Conference finals, until they were more or less shut down. My biggest memory of that series is John Madden suckering Mario Lemieux into passing him the puck by calling for it, and a frustrated Lemieux shooting the puck at Madden's head at the next stoppage.
Now that I don't remember!

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10-28-2010, 01:13 PM
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Now that I don't remember!
It has nothing to do with the AAA draft really, but it's an amusing story for me, and really marked the beginning of John Madden being known as an elite defensive player in his own right (coming out from the shadow of Holik):

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EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J., May 22 — John Madden had one more trick left for the Pittsburgh Penguins, and Mario Lemieux served as his chump. Madden, the Devils' creatively annoying center, had been caught in a corner, badly out of position, so he yelled to Lemieux for him to pass him the puck. And Lemieux did. And he put it right on the tape of Madden's stick.

Lemieux, already flustered, caught up to Madden and whacked him with his stick. Then he whacked him again. Then, at center ice, in full view of the officials and the television cameras, and with a capacity crowd about to celebrate the Devils' 4-2 series-clinching victory, Lemieux cross-checked Madden from behind, and Madden collapsed to the ice.

Lemieux spent the last minute of the Eastern Conference finals in the penalty box. Afterward, Madden said he had taken a guess at Lemieux's nickname -- Ace -- when he called for him to pass the puck. Madden conceded that it was kind of a dirty trick. But it worked. It worked like almost everything else the Devils tried against Lemieux and the Penguins in the series.
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/23/sp...pagewanted=all

For some reason, I remember Lemieux shooting the puck at him, but apparently he just went after him the old fashioned way.

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10-28-2010, 01:31 PM
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Wow. McKay popped up in my mind several rounds ago, but I dismissed him, as I somehow remembered him being taken in MLD. But apparently he wasn't. WTF? I guess I was hallucinating. I didn't even check against the drafted list, I was that sure.

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10-28-2010, 01:38 PM
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A long time ago, we drafted

Alexander Skvortsov, W

(I'm borrowing heavily from VI and 70s for this profile)

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a Soviet winger whose international peaks weren't as brilliant as those of Shepelev and Golikov, but whose career outlasted both of the others in terms of years on the national team and goal production in the Soviet league.
-244 goals in 580 Soviet League games (21st overall, 10 less than Bobrov)
-57 goals in 154 games with the National Team - all tournaments
-27 goals, 18+ assists*, 45+ points in 69 games with the National Team - sanctioned tournmanets

*according to seventieslord, "assists are not available for three mid-80's tournaments, my guess is about 15 are missing)."

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In a few Russian league seasons his stats are not complete but I know for sure that he has been 6th, 6th*, and 8th* in the 1980's against some very tough competition there. In the * seasons, he was just one point out of 4th.
-Played on the 1976 Canada Cup squad
-Led a B-rated group of Soviet "All Stars" in scoring in the 1979 Super Series against the WHA
-Played with the A-team of Soviets against the NHL in the 1979 Challenge Cup series
-Won Gold at the 1981 Canada Cup
-Participated in the 1980 Olympics, scoring 2 goals, and losing in the Miracle on Ice
-Won gold in the 1984 Olympics and scored 4 goals in the tournament
-Gold Medals at the 1979, 1981, and 1983 World Championships.

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His production is as surprising as his tenure on the national team, as he came from the unlikely team Torpedo Gorky, whereas most national team members played for the Red Army or at least a Moscow based team.
-Skvortsov is still the all-time leader in goals, assists, and points for his club team, Gorky Torpedo, once a part of the Soviet League, now a part of the KHL.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torpedo_Nizhny_Novgorod

Skvortsov's career path - a star player on his club team, a role player on quite a few national teams, suggests that he would be able to excel as a more offensive-minded role player here.

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10-28-2010, 02:00 PM
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The Tigers draft Tony Conroy.



Conroy is standing to the left of Moose Goheen in this 1920 Olympics silver medal winning team photo

* Conroy was inducted into the U.S. Hockey Hall of Fame in 1975
* Conroy was Goheen's longtime teammate ("We played and roomed together through our entire careers")
* Conroy and Goheen were the only St. Paul forwards selected for the 1920 Olympics team that won silver.
* defended as a pretourney warm-up, Conroy and Goheen were inserted as ringers into the Pittsburgh line-up in a 3-2 win against the Toronto Dentals on March 21st 1920
* on March 25th, 1920 in a 3-1 overtime win against a Winnipeg team featuring Red Dutton:
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The Winnipegs took the lead at 11:01, but soon thereafter St. Paul made its presence felt. "Conroy came down the ice like a streak of lightning after shooting three times unsuccessfully (and) finally managed to pull Tupper away from the net and sent the disc in for the tieing score."
* on March 29th 1920 Goheen didn't play but Conroy did in a close 4-3 loss to the Hamilton Tigers
* Conroy is described as a "speedy backchecker":

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Tony Conroy was part of the great St. Paul hockey tradition.

Joining the Athletic Club team, the St. Paul skater helped his club win the McNaughton Trophy, symbolic of American amateur hockey supremacy, in 1917. The team then played Lachine, Quebec, for the Ross Cup International Championship and won 7-6, despite having to play six-man hockey for the first time. After W.W.I service, Conroy returned to the Athletic Club and was one of four members of that club to make the 1920 United States Olympic Team. The U.S. finished second to Canada, losing 2-0 to the Maple Leaf skaters for their only defeat. Conroy had a strong Olympics and scored 10 goals in a 29-0 rout of Switzerland.

The speedy back-checker played great hockey for the St. Paul club in the 1920s as they were always strong contenders for the national amateur title. The team was Western champs in 1922 and again in 1923, losing both times to Boston in the national finals. The team eventually became professional and Conroy received NHL offers, but preferred to remain in St. Paul.

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10-28-2010, 02:49 PM
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http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...y+conroy&hl=en

listed as a LW, said he played "nice hockey"

from this I noticed they were playing against the Pittsburgh hornets, the team that supplied the post-merger NHL with a few great players including Worters, Lionel Conacher, Milks, Meeking and a couple others. this was a pretty good league in this era, as they also had Nels Stewart and Ching Johnson. At SIHR the stats for this league are rather extensive, so I'll go check out how Conroy did against them. Stay tuned...

SIHR says he was a RW, 5'8", 155 lbs, career spanning from 1915 to 1928:

- 6 pts in 11 USAHA games in the 1916 season, not very special, but only two players had more than 9 points. Not many names in this league, Billy Coutu and Moose Goheen leading the way.

- jumps to 1920 USAHA, it says he played, but no stats are known. Actually, it looks like very little is known of anyone for that season.

- 1920 olympics, it says he had 9 goals in 4 games. All 45 of the team's goals are accounted for. I checked the scores of their games, and that's as many as they had in the tournament. (beat the swiss 29-0, lost to Canada 2-0, beat the Czechs 16-0)

- jumps to 1923 USAHA, he had 2 goals in 20 games, then 10 points in 20 the next year. 4th on the team. (Taffy Abel played 3 games for them!)

- 1925 USAHA, 10 points in 33 games, apparently first on his team in this ridiculously low-scoring league. Nels Stewart led with 21, followed by three with 14, including Lionel Conacher. the Pestiferous Percy Galbraith also had 10 points.

- 1926 CAHL, Conroy had 16 points in 35 games, good for 12th in the league. Herbie Lewis led the league with 28 points. Goheen had 23. Taffy Abel had 21. Ching Johnson had 19. galbraith had 11.

- 1927 and 1928 seasons, he had a combined 8 points in 44 games in the AHA, a second tier league, but likely the 2nd-best league on earth at the time. Herbie Lewis, Cooney Weiland, Barney Stanley, Cy Wentworth, Rusty Crawford, Alf Skinner, Moose Johnson, Slim Halderson, Corb Denneny and Eddie Oatman all played here, generally either on the way up or the way down.

An interesting pick, but I'm unsure of the degree to which he proved himself. there are a few interesting junctures where a comparison can be made between him and players of a known value, but it's rarely favourable to Conroy.

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Who did Brian Mullen play with? He's got a career adjusted +/- of +83 and that number was consistently solid throughout his career, with few real spikes causing it. In six of 11 seasons, he ranged from +8 to +20 relative to his team. the other five ranged from +3 to -6.

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It has nothing to do with the AAA draft really, but it's an amusing story for me, and really marked the beginning of John Madden being known as an elite defensive player in his own right (coming out from the shadow of Holik):



http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/23/sp...pagewanted=all

For some reason, I remember Lemieux shooting the puck at him, but apparently he just went after him the old fashioned way.
wow, you'd think this would be a pretty well-remembered incident considering it's not often Lemieux screwed up, or that someone got the better of him. When I think of a Lemieux screw-up, I think of him missing the glorious open net in the gold medal game in 2002, and can't really think of anything else. This is much worse though.

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First time for St. Marseille. Decent even strength producer. Consistent 2nd line scorer. A bit of a mini-star for a few years. Made it into an all-star game too.

By now, there can't be many players available who got into an all-star game, can there?

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By now, there can't be many players available who got into an all-star game, can there?
There's actually quite a few of the make-sure-every-team-is-represented all-star players left. I'll make a list at the end of the AA draft (assuming no A draft )

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Before he was able to complete his academic program, however, Casey signed as a free agent with the Minnesota North Stars. From 1984-88, he saw only limited action with the Stars, spending more of his time, securing his game in the AHL and the IHL.

Casey finally became a full-time NHLer in 1988-89. During that year he appeared in 55 games, the first of six consecutive 50-game seasons.

In 1989-90, he set career highs by playing 60 regular-season and playoff games while winning 34 of them. The following year, he led the North Stars to the Stanley Cup finals where, in spite of his stellar performance, Mario Lemieux and the Penguins prevailed.
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I never quite knew what to make of goaltender Jon Casey. Perhaps that is because, not knowing all the intricacies of goaltending, I often don't know what to make of a lot of goalies. Perhaps it was Casey was quite an unorthodox goalie to begin with. He seemed to naturally be a scrambling, reflexive goalie who, through years of professional coaching, tried morphing into a classic, play-the-angles netminder.

However he tried stopping the puck, obviously it worked. For a period of about 5 years he was a bona fide number one goalie in the National Hockey League,. He was never a serious threat to win the Vezina Trophy, but he did get his team to a Stanley Cup finals.

Regardless of his accomplishments, most will remember Jon Casey for being on the wrong side of two of the most famous goals in Stanley Cup history.

A Grand Rapids, Minnesota native, Casey didn't travel far for his collegiate career. He played in net for the University of North Dakota from 1980-1984, and was named to the Western Collegiate Association (WCHA) First All-Star team for the 1981-82 and 1983-84 seasons. He also earned a nod on the WCHA
Second All-Star team in 1983 and the WCHA All-American team in 1984. The team took home the NCAA championship twice (1980, 1982) during his tenure.

Casey left UND in 1984, signing as an undrafted free agent with the Minnesota North Stars. For the next four years he spend most of his time working on his game at the AHL and IHL levels. In 1985, Casey had a stellar season. He was named to the AHL All-Star team, won the Harry `Hap'' Holmes Memorial Award (fewest goals against), and Aldege "Baz" Bastien Memorial Award for outstanding goaltending. Finally, in 1988 Casey made his NHL debut. That season, he made 55 appearances, the first of six consecutive 50+ game seasons.

In 1990-1991, Casey helped the team make it all the way to the Stanley Cup Finals against the Pittsburgh Penguins. Penguins star Mario Lemieux split North Stars defensemen Neil Wilkinson and Shawn Chambers to beat Casey. The Stars lost the series, and that moment is the first of Casey used in the 2010 “History Will Be Made” NHL play-off commercials.

After two more seasons with the Stars and an All-Star appearance in 1993, Casey was traded to Boston as part of a deal for Andy Moog that also sent Gord Murphy to the Stars. After one season with the Bruins, he signed as a free agent with the Blues. Again, he helped his team to the Cup finals, this time against Steve Yzerman and the Red Wings. The series went to the second overtime of Game Seven, when Yzerman beat Casey with a shot rifled over his shoulder. It was a bitter moment for Casey and Blues fans, and the second moment used in the 2010 play-off ads.
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Who did Brian Mullen play with? He's got a career adjusted +/- of +83 and that number was consistently solid throughout his career, with few real spikes causing it. In six of 11 seasons, he ranged from +8 to +20 relative to his team. the other five ranged from +3 to -6.
I don't have accurate info but from his big season in terms of +/- (non-adjusted) the other two outliers on the front end were Dale Howerchuk and (undrafted player). I know it's not an accurate way of judging who was who's linemate but it's all I've got.

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I don't have accurate info but from his big season in terms of +/- (non-adjusted) the other two outliers on the front end were Dale Howerchuk and (undrafted player). I know it's not an accurate way of judging who was who's linemate but it's all I've got.
It helps.

I was pretty sure he played at least a year or two with Ducky.

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oh yeah, I was gonna ask, why do we keep selecting Moose Goheen as a defenseman when it looks clear that he was a forward?

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Jason Allison, C



- 6'3", 210 lbs
- Top-20 in Goals Twice (9th, 16th)
- Top-10 in Assists 4 Times (2nd, 6th, 7th, 8th)
- Top-20 in Points 4 Times (4th, 9th, 14th, 16th)
- Top-15 in Hart Voting Twice (9th, 15th)
- Top-6 in All-Star Voting Among Centers Three Times (4th, 5th, 6th)
- Career Adjusted +83
- Played in NHL All-Star Game (2001)

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Allison completely dominated nearly every game he played last season. He's strong on the puck, skates well, has excellent vision and sure, soft hands to put the passes where they need to go. Allison is the complete package offensively. He faced top checkers every shift and still excelled. He didn't play with any strong offensive players in Boston simply because there weren't any. Allison carried the Bruins attack. In nearly every game the Bruins one, he was one of their three best players. The puck follows Allison around the rink. He has great patience, uncanny hockey sense and is one of the top 10 centers in the league. While his game is predominantly offense, he was often put on the ice to protect leads late in games, so his defense is hardly suspect. Allison is not quite as strong or tough as some of the league's best power forwards, but he goes through traffic and makes plays despite the checking attention focused on him. He is hungry to score and will pay the price to do so.
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Allison is capable of completely dominating games… He makes players on his line better… Allison wants to get even better, and worked with the speedskater in the off-season to step up his foot speed… He showed an edge in a tiff with Keith Tkachuk last season… Allison plays through pain. He didn't miss a game despite a sore wrist in the second half that frequently prevented him from taking draws.
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Reaffirmed his status as a player capable of dominating games… One of the best forwards in the league, especially on the power play. He excels with his down low playmaking
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Allison is among the best players in the league from the top of the circles in. He isn't flashy, he isn't brawny, but he is savvy, resolute and highly skilled.… Seems to adjust to whatever linemates are on his flanks. He moved from East Coast to West and didn't miss a beat. Allison hates to lose, and that gives him great competitive edge. The Kings MVP.…
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Allison had become one of the best centers in the NHL, and one of its most underrated, but the injuries he suffered last season were major and may cast doubt as to whether he can write the elite level again. If he is healthy, an assist-heavy 100 points would be given.


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often when you are this deep in the draft, and you want guys with Stanley Cups, you have to reach to get lesser players who weren't necessarily key to their cup wins. I have just 10 in my lineup, plus two from my coaches, and it was tough getting that many. Plus Kralik, Paladiev, Golikov & Ruttan didn't have the chance to win one. What about everyone else? I actually don't know if I have a lot or a little compared to the league.

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oh yeah, I was gonna ask, why do we keep selecting Moose Goheen as a defenseman when it looks clear that he was a forward?
Apparently he was both:
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Starting out as a rover in the seven-man game, he moved to all forward positions, and then moved back on defense. There was even an instance in which he had a brief appearance in goal.
Also, it's probably because people usually get the major positions right when they draft someone so you trust them.


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often when you are this deep in the draft, and you want guys with Stanley Cups, you have to reach to get lesser players who weren't necessarily key to their cup wins. I have just 10 in my lineup, plus two from my coaches, and it was tough getting that many. Plus Kralik, Paladiev, Golikov & Ruttan didn't have the chance to win one. What about everyone else? I actually don't know if I have a lot or a little compared to the league.
I don't think it matters too much as it's more fortuitous that a fourth liner wins a Cup than it is that they provided meaningful contributions a similar player could not (with a few exceptions). Switch Ian Lapierrere with the teams Dave Reid played on and Laperriere would get two cups despite not changing his game at all. Cups are a wonderful bonus at this stage, but just that, a bonus.

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