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10-28-2010, 12:10 AM
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For those interested this article is telling of what you get out of Backes....

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/hocke...c7553c5b5.html

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10-28-2010, 12:18 AM
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For those interested this article is telling of what you get out of Backes....

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/hocke...c7553c5b5.html
As I said earlier, Backes has a lot of leverage here.

Pros for the Backes camp:
1) UFA at age 27, so lots of good years ahead of him
2) Brings the power forward package that teams covet
3) Opens up ice for his linemates and plays well defensively

If Backes is dead set at getting $5 million per season, most likely some other team is going to offer it to him if the Blues do not. There will be playoff teams that get eliminated that will be looking to add size, grit and skill up front and he can bring that to the table.

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10-28-2010, 12:46 AM
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Too much. Versteeg++. He is a vital piece to a young St. Louis team. He is their on ice leader and their only true power forward. He won't be traded, as St. Louis will need him for the playoffs.

unless the ++ is Kadri or schenn the answer will be no

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10-28-2010, 02:25 AM
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unless the ++ is Kadri or schenn the answer will be no
again lets be realistic Backes is good but not a star and he is a UFA at seasons end where as both Kadri and schenn are FAR from that therefore backes is not worth Kadri or Schenn

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10-28-2010, 08:36 AM
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if they are out of the playoffs no they'll move him. If they are in the race which they should be he'll be kept and they'd gladly take the shot at re signing him in the off season or losing him for nothing. What's the difference between losing him for nothing at the end of the year or any other team trading away assets for a rental at the deadline? There is none
I see it a different way. Even if we are in the playoffs, if they're sure Backes won't resign or he wants too much, I really hope they trade him. He has way too much value to let him walk for free. It isn't worth 1 possible playoff series to not take advantage of a trade situation. I don't think he'd have THAT much of an impact anyways to forego a potentially very good return in a trade.

If they believe he won't sign, trade him regardless of position in the standings. IMO Yeah, he might only be a rental, but clearly there would be a ton of interest anyways so the Blues would be doing themselves a huge disservice by letting him walk for free.

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10-28-2010, 10:48 AM
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The Blues will sign Backes to a reasonable, yet generous contract before he gets anywhere near July 1st

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10-28-2010, 11:05 AM
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unless the ++ is Kadri or schenn the answer will be no
That's ludacris. Backes is a very good player, but Versteeg is pretty damn good, too.

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again lets be realistic Backes is good but not a star and he is a UFA at seasons end where as both Kadri and schenn are FAR from that therefore backes is not worth Kadri or Schenn
It's called overpayment.

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10-28-2010, 12:15 PM
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It's called overpayment.

Something Brian Burke is good for, see Phil Kessel.

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10-28-2010, 12:42 PM
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hes not getting moved

Backes will not come cheap, and there are a lot of teams that would be interested.

As for the best package Toronto could offer, I agree it would need to start with Versteeg and then add.

St. Louis will not trade Backes because he is a rare combination of size (6'3 225) and skill that can play center. He's a young, top-calibre 2nd line forward who hits and has scored 30 goals. Any playoff team wants this guy in a 7 game series.

He is not easily replaceable

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10-28-2010, 12:50 PM
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Nick Kypreos said he is looking for Ryan Kesler money and St. Louis is not willing to pay it yet.
Burke will show how much a hypocrite he is. He will give Backes that money.

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10-28-2010, 01:14 PM
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If Backes is actually available, there will be a lot of interest. Are the Blues still trying to dump Brewer? If I'm Edmonton, I would make a strong offer, something like this:

To Edmonton: David Backes, Eric Brewer (if he is still a "dump")

To St. Louis: Dustin Penner, Andrew Cogliano, one of Jim Vandermeer or Jason Strudwick, and a 3rd round pick.

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10-28-2010, 01:21 PM
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If Backes is actually available, there will be a lot of interest. Are the Blues still trying to dump Brewer? If I'm Edmonton, I would make a strong offer, something like this:

To Edmonton: David Backes, Eric Brewer (if he is still a "dump")

To St. Louis: Dustin Penner, Andrew Cogliano, one of Jim Vandermeer or Jason Strudwick, and a 3rd round pick.
Vandermeer and Strudwick add NOTHING to this deal, those guys are a dime a dozen.

Try something like adding in a prospect instead of one of those guys, and you may need a higher pick.

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10-28-2010, 01:28 PM
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If Backes is actually available, there will be a lot of interest. Are the Blues still trying to dump Brewer? If I'm Edmonton, I would make a strong offer, something like this:

To Edmonton: David Backes, Eric Brewer (if he is still a "dump")

To St. Louis: Dustin Penner, Andrew Cogliano, one of Jim Vandermeer or Jason Strudwick, and a 3rd round pick.
Brewer has been solid he is in the last year of his contract. So there is really no need to dump him. It seems like Brewer just needed a chance to finally be healthy and a new coach to play well.

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10-28-2010, 01:45 PM
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again lets be realistic Backes is good but not a star and he is a UFA at seasons end where as both Kadri and schenn are FAR from that therefore backes is not worth Kadri or Schenn
I think toronto fans over rate the value of Kadri. He is a good prospect but he is a prospect that has not played in the NHL yet. In general his value is that of a 5-10 range 1st round draft pick in most drafts. He's currently the 17th ranked prospect by Hockey futures.

Also if Toronto doesn't want to deal Kadri they really have nothing the Blues would want for Backes. The Blues are well stocked on Defense and could use someone who could spark their offense. Versteeg is not that guy IMO. I think any deal for Backes will need to start with a prospect or roster player with the potential to be a high level top 6 forward or a 1st round draft pick.

Also I really doubt we trade Backes.

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10-28-2010, 01:49 PM
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My guess is they'll wait till closer to the deadline to decide. By then he may have changed his mind. St.Louis is hopeful to make the playoffs. There is a window where they can trade his rights after the playoffs and before July 1st.

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If Backes is actually available, there will be a lot of interest. Are the Blues still trying to dump Brewer? If I'm Edmonton, I would make a strong offer, something like this:

To Edmonton: David Backes, Eric Brewer (if he is still a "dump")

To St. Louis: Dustin Penner, Andrew Cogliano, one of Jim Vandermeer or Jason Strudwick, and a 3rd round pick.
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Vandermeer and Strudwick add NOTHING to this deal, those guys are a dime a dozen.

Try something like adding in a prospect instead of one of those guys, and you may need a higher pick.
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Brewer has been solid he is in the last year of his contract. So there is really no need to dump him. It seems like Brewer just needed a chance to finally be healthy and a new coach to play well.
For all the screaming about moving him this summer, I had assumed Brewer was done as a player. Which is why I offered up a swap of Vandermeer or Strudwick. If Brewer has gotten some game back, then of course this swap makes no sense, but I was going by what most Blues fans were going with all summer, that Brewer, like Vandermeer and Strudwick, are barely third pairing guys, which is why it was a dump there. If Brewer has some game back, then we can take him and our d-man out and add a prospect like Anton Lander or maybe a 3rd or 4th round pick.

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10-28-2010, 04:35 PM
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For those interested this article is telling of what you get out of Backes....

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/hocke...c7553c5b5.html

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Backes, who will turn 27 in May, would become a free agent July 1 if unsigned. It's believed that Backes and the Blues have had preliminary talks, but they are now on hold.

Asked if the team would work to finalize a deal in-season, general manager Doug Armstrong said, "I think every contract is individual. You have to look at each one with their own merits. What we will be strong on is we won't comment what way we're going."

"It's more of them coming to me and getting something done," Backes said. "I hope to have it not be a distraction. It's best for both sides if minds are clear and we're concentrating on hockey.

Interesting. Either he was low-balled or his expectations are unrealistic (or both).

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For all the screaming about moving him this summer, I had assumed Brewer was done as a player. Which is why I offered up a swap of Vandermeer or Strudwick. If Brewer has gotten some game back, then of course this swap makes no sense, but I was going by what most Blues fans were going with all summer, that Brewer, like Vandermeer and Strudwick, are barely third pairing guys, which is why it was a dump there. If Brewer has some game back, then we can take him and our d-man out and add a prospect like Anton Lander or maybe a 3rd or 4th round pick.
I was someone who was in favor of dumping Brewer over the summer actually lol. He seems to be making a lot of us eat crow right now. Scary thing is during the summer I thought there was no chance of us resigning him. Right now if he was willing to sign for the right price on a short deal I wouldn't be to mad if he keeps his play up. He's actually been playing like a captain standing up for his teammates and all. It seems like us fans don't always know what's best for out team.

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Id give Penner or Gagner or Hemsky from the Oilers. 1 for 1 deal.

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If I were the Rangers I would give quite a bit:

Grachev/McDonagh + Sauer + WAS 2nd?

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I was someone who was in favor of dumping Brewer over the summer actually lol. He seems to be making a lot of us eat crow right now. Scary thing is during the summer I thought there was no chance of us resigning him. Right now if he was willing to sign for the right price on a short deal I wouldn't be to mad if he keeps his play up. He's actually been playing like a captain standing up for his teammates and all. It seems like us fans don't always know what's best for out team.
I also, was very critical of him and he's proving me wrong. I don't know if I would resign him though, I've seen his "dark" side and it sucks.

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Interesting. Either he was low-balled or his expectations are unrealistic (or both).
...or both management and the player decided to put negotiations on the back burner for now and concentrate on continuing to win hockey games.

Plenty of time between now and July 1 to get something worked out. This isn't the time to be talking contract.

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Id give Penner or Gagner or Hemsky from the Oilers. 1 for 1 deal.
Doug Armstong's response:

"Click."

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If I were the Rangers I would give quite a bit:

Grachev/McDonagh + Sauer + WAS 2nd?
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Backes, STL 2nd

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Grachev, DelZotto, Chad Johnson

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