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10-29-2010, 12:08 AM
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I don't think it matters too much as it's more fortuitous that a fourth liner wins a Cup than it is that they provided meaningful contributions a similar player could not (with a few exceptions). Switch Ian Lapierrere with the teams Dave Reid played on and Laperriere would get two cups despite not changing his game at all. Cups are a wonderful bonus at this stage, but just that, a bonus.
yeah, out of my 10 cups you could probably call three of them "key" performances: two by Hiller and one by Stemkowski.

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10-29-2010, 12:14 AM
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yeah, out of my 10 cups you could probably call three of them "key" performances: two by Hiller and one by Stemkowski.
I think I have 12 cups (excluding Melanson and Semenov, neither of who really played), but only Frazen and Kubina were key to their victories.

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First time for St. Marseille. Decent even strength producer. Consistent 2nd line scorer. A bit of a mini-star for a few years. Made it into an all-star game too.

By now, there can't be many players available who got into an all-star game, can there?
Yeah, I noticed him when picked Sabourin. Wasn't confident in using him defensively, but, my 4th line ended up being pretty offensive, so, he'll fit in well I think.

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10-29-2010, 06:08 AM
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yeah, out of my 10 cups you could probably call three of them "key" performances: two by Hiller and one by Stemkowski.
Likewise we only have 5 cups on the Johnstown roster, though two of them I would call key performances (Wares and oddly enough Reid w Dallas). But that said we also have numerous players with at least one deep run in the playoffs. Many of them have multiple runs of longer then 2 rounds. And quite a few international standout appearances on the roster as well.

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Johnstown Jets select forward Aarne Honkavaara



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Aarne Honkavaara was the first lion of Finnish hockey.

A legend with the club team Ilves Tampere, Honkavaara was one of the few bright spots in Finnish hockey during the 1940's and 50's.

In total he played 47 international games for Finland and scored 58 points, 46 goals plus 12 assists.

Always at or near the top of the Finnish league scoring, Honkavaara was a real opportunistic player in front of the goal. He had a very accurate shot. Twice, in 1950 and 1952, he was named as the best player in all of Finland. He won a total of seven Finnish league championships with Ilves Tampere, which led to the retiring of his jersey and number 7

Today he is honoured with the Aarne Honkavaara Trophy, which is given to the regular season goal scoring champion in SM-liiga. Past winners of the trophy include modern Finnish hockey legends Teemu Selanne and Matti Hagman.

A broken leg in 1953 all but ended his playing career, though he did try a couple of unsuccessful comebacks.

Honkavaara went on to become a successful coach, leading Ilves to three league titles. He was also the national team coach of Finland between 1954 and 1959.
Aarne Honkavaara was inducted into the Finnish Hockey Hall of Fame when it was created in 1985.
also a rather interesting interview with Honkavaara on this site: http://internationalhockeylegends.bl...onkavaara.html

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Gary Sargent, D

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- 5'10, 210 lbs
- 9th in Norris Voting and 12th in All-Star Voting in 1978
- Named to NHL All-Star Game in 1980, unable to play
- Played in 1976 Canada Cup and was 2nd in team MVP voting
- Averaged 25.11 min/GP in his career (most of any AAA defenseman and almost any MLD defenseman)
- Placed 5th, 7th, 4th in the NHL in icetime in his three best seasons (7th, 9th, 2nd ES)
- Of these 15 defensemen finishing ahead of Sargent in ES ice time throughout these 3 seasons in ES time, 13 are ATD defensemen and one is Bob Murdoch of the MLD
- Placed 4th, 1st, 1st, 1st, 3rd on his team's defense corps in ice time in his 5 "full" seasons (4th, 2nd, 1st, 1st, 4th ES)
- the most-used on special teams defenseman in the entire AAA draft (63% PP, 38% PK)
- major contributior to PPs that ran at 106% of the average and PKs that ran at 93% of the average (meaning good)
- Career Adjusted +70 despite major minutes
- Career was ultimately derailed by injuries

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Is full-blooded Ojibwa (Chippewa) Indian, who was born on a reservation... Sargent played out his option in Los Angeles and signed with Minnesota as a restricted free agent on June 30, 1978. Los Angeles received Rick Hampton, Steve Jensen and Dave Gardner as compensation. Minnesota had signed Sargent before it agreed on compensation with Los Angeles. The Kings wanted Gilles Meloche in the compensation package, but an arbitrator ruled that Minnesota's offer of Hampton, Jensen and Gardner was sufficient... Set Los Angeles records (since broken) for single-season points (54), goals (14) and assists (40) in 1976-77. ... Was on ice for 53.1 percent of Minnesota's goals in 1978-79 (best percentage in NHL that season). ... Named to 1980 NHL All-Star Game, but was unable to play due to back injury. ... Missed part of 1979-80 season with slipped disc in back, an injury suffered in February 1980. ... Missed part of 1980-81 season with lower back injury, suffered in December 1980. ... Missed remainder of 1980-81 season after undergoing spinal fusion surgery at the Mayo Clinic on March 16, 1981. ... Struggled to come back from surgery in 1981-82 and was forced to sit out many games with back pain. ... Missed remainder of 1981-82 season with back spasms, suffered in January 1982. ... Missed most of 1982-83 season with knee injury suffered in November 1982 and re-injured in March 1983.
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Will make the backline even tougher... a fine offensive player... possesses a quick, hard shot from the point and has good speed... on defense, he loves to hit, is strong and works well in front of his net.
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Excellent before being slowed by back problems... signed by North Stars as part of a campaign to collect the best Minnesota-born players... When healthy, he's a robust hitter and a skillful offensive threat...
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The player the North Stars missed the most last season... team's best all-around defenseman... two-way defenseman who generates attack and defends well... strong, sturdy... one of the league's most mobile defensemen... outstanding on powerplay... everyone calls him Sarge.
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If spinal fusion surgery has corrected his woes, he will be a huge boost.
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rookie Gary Sargent made several excellent defensive plays that pre vented unmolested shots on their goaltenders
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Gary Sargent a rookie defenseman rapidly growing up in the NHL (snippet of pay article)
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Defenseman Gary Sargent proved he can play in topflight competition after drawing the second highest vote as Team USA MVP
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A King who stood out was Gary Sargent. There wasnt anyone playing harder... (snippet of pay article)
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...the best check being one thrown at Lafleur by Gary Sargent...
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(photo caption) Hawks Bob Kelly takes jolting check from Kings Gary Sargent
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The Kings best defenseman Gary Sargent
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"Our two pointmen, Marcel Dionne and Gary Sargent, are both strong puck-carriers," Murphy said. "They don't get knocked off the puck too often. That's the biggest thing in a powerplay - getting the puck to the blueline."
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Defenseman Gary Sargent of the North Stars has been playing "conservative" hockey this season because, he says, "I don't want to get caught in deep..." (snippet of pay article)
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I know they were missing their best defenseman by far Gary Sargent ..He wasnt playing and that's a key man out of their lineup... (snippet of pay article)
But can't any decent defenseman average 25 minutes per game in a short career?

- Barry Beck, an ATD player, averaged 25.07 minutes in a 615-game career
- Brad Maxwell, an ATD player, averaged 23.33 minutes in his best 400-game segment
- Jerry Korab, an ATD player, averaged 27.42 minutes in his best 5-year segment and 22.17 in his career
- Dave Burrows, an ATD player, averaged 25.18 minutes in his best 5-year segment and 23.72 in his career
- Phil Russell, an ATD player, averaged 26.11 minutes in his best 5-year segment and 23.94 in his career
- Behn Wilson, an ATD player, averaged 22.94 minutes in his best 5-year segment and 22.67 in a 601-game career
- Bob Dailey, an ATD player, averaged 25.25 minutes in his best 5-year segment and 24.49 in his 561-game career
- Very few MLD defensemen ever played 25+ minutes in a season, let alone averaged that much in their career

For five years, Gary Sargent was in the league of these players, all his contemporaries. He just didn't play as long.

The knock on Sargent? Really, it's that he played just 402 NHL games and was injury-prone.

We are happy to have him as a 7th defenseman. On a per-game basis, he was probably better than anyone we have. But the way I see the ATD is that a guy with a career this short can't be counted on for a full season. therefore, he sits, healthy in the press box until he's needed, and when he is, he can fill in literally anywhere, because he's as good as any of our defensemen, and he's a proven star at even strength, on the PP, and on the PK. Now do the right thing and take him in MLD2011 now that you know who he is.


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Toledo selects LW/RW/D Charles Tobin

1918 PCHA First Team All-Star
3rd, 6th, 7th, and 8th in PCHA Goals

The Trail of the Stanley Cup, Volume 1 (From seventies' profile of him):
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Charles Tobin played ten years in the PCHA, during which time he was with five teams, missing only Spokane. Three times he was with a champion in a Stanley Cup series but never on a winner.

He was like Fred Taylor in one respect in that during his first three years he played quite a bit of defense with Ernie Johnson for New Westminster and Portland, alternating at rover. he had his three best years at Portland playing (at RW) on a line with Tom Dunderdale and Fred Harris.

Tobin was a fine stickhandler and was chosen All-Star LW of the PCHA in 1918.

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1918 PCHA First Team All-Star
3rd, 6th, 7th, and 8th in PCHA Goals

The Trail of the Stanley Cup, Volume 1 (From seventies' profile of him):


I'm going to try to find more later
You know I like Tobin, I discovered him in the first place, it's just the lack of info on him that is so frustrating!

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The Tigers draft Al Smith.



1977-78 WHA Top Goalie
1973-74 WHA 3rd Team All-star
1972-73 WHA 3rd Team All-star
1973 WHA Championship Starter
1968 NHL all-star game

Wins

1971-72 NHL 18 (8)
1972-73 WHA 31 (3)
1973-74 WHA 30 (2)
1974-75 WHA 33 (1)
1977-78 WHA 30 (1)
1978-79 WHA 17 (6)

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He was the back-up to Terry Sawchuk for two of the last three games in the 1967 Stanley Cup final. The official NHL Record Book and Guide does not list Smith on the Stanley Cup winning roster.

In the 1965–66 season, he played one more game for the Maple Leafs. On December 31, 1965, he was part of a 5–1 losing effort against the Blackhawks. After playing only one regular season game, Smith was called up and dressed for games four and five of Stanley Cup Finals, due to Johnny Bower's injury. Al Smith qualfied to be engraved on the Stanley Cup, but Toronto left his name off, because he did not play in the playoffs.

His other brief moment of glory for the Maple Leafs was participating in the 1968 NHL All-Star Game. He played in relief for Bruce Gamble and stopped 13 of 14 shots.

He would also play with the Pittsburgh Penguins, Detroit Red Wings, Buffalo Sabres, Hartford Whalers and Colorado Rockies.

Smith would also play in the World Hockey Association with the New England Whalers where he would earn the honour of WHA's top goaltender in 1978. A third team WHA All-Star for two consecutive years, many people in hockey felt Smith was robbed when snubbed by Team Canada for the 1974 Summit Series between WHA All-Stars and the Russian national team. His career would last from 1966 to 1981.

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Bill Carson, C



- 5'8", 158 lbs
- Stanley Cup (1929)
- Top-20 in Goals 3 times (6th, 10th, 17th)
- Top-20 in Assists 3 times (8th, 17th, 18th)
- Top-20 in Points 3 times (8th, 10th, 13th)
- His 2 goals and 2 points in 5 playoff games in 1929 may not appear impressive, but the team scored just 9 goals and 12 points in the whole playoffs. Carson was tied for the lead in both goals and points and one of those included the cup winner, so he was very key. Overall, it was good for a 3-way tie for 3rd in playoff goals, and an 8-way tie for 4th in playoff points.

Great senior league player too:

- Allan Cup (1921)
- Allan Cup Finalist (1920)
- 1st All-Star Team (1921)
- 2nd All-Star Team (1920, 1922, 1923)
- 2nd in scoring in SOHA in 1921, tied with Carson Cooper
- 4th in SOHA scoring in 1922, behind only Burch, Cooper, and Watson
- 5th in SOHA scoring in 1923, behind Watson and Cooper, and ahead of Hap Day, who was a forward at this time
- 1st in SOHA scoring in 1925, with a good 20% lead on everyone else, though by this time the league was lacking top-end talent. Normie Himes was there this year. Carson more than doubled his per-game production.
- 3rd in SOHA scoring in 1926, again, there were no big names left except Normie Himes, whom Carson outpointed by 37% per game.
- In 70 SOHA games, scored 80 goals and 108 points from 1919-1926, plus 25 goals and 33 points in 16 playoff and Allan Cup games.

From my analysis of Moose Watson from the MLD2010 Finals:

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Bill Carson

Carson was a very good NHL player for a very short time. In 4 seasons, three of them very low-scoring, he had 78 points in 159 games. He was top-10 in goals twice and then top-10 in assists another year. He had 1.69 and 2.06 PPG in 70 and 16 SOHA games. Conclusion: Watson scored at 108% and 84% of Cooper's rate in the SOHA.
In other words, Watson, a HHOFer who I admit is a top-line MLD player and possibly an ATD bottom-6 guy, scored at about the same rate as Carson, although over a longer period, but Carson proved himself in three NHL seasons, while Watson did not.

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He took a different route to the top, transferring from the OHA Stratford Indians, where he had been the loop's top scorer. A dentist by trade, he aligned himself with the U of T's team for four seasons. It was there that he first earned his reputation as one of the best centers in the business. Early in his stint with the St. Pats, a game report showered him with accolades: "He was wonderful both going and coming - most fans will tell you that he stood out head and shoulders above every other player on the ice. He was a reincarnated Houdini around the Star Spangled defense, and he had the goalie doing so many twists and turns, it took "Bone-setter" Bannister half an hour to get his wishbone and backbone back together." No wonder, then, when a poll was taken in 1927 of spectator favourites in the ten NHL cities, he was chosen as the Toronto representative. It is onw of those big league mysteries that, after his second (and improved) year with Toronto, he was sold to Boston for cash. He was the Bruins' hero in their 1929 Stanley Cup triumph over the Rangers... he retired to pursue his chosen occupation... in the fall of 1933, he donned the livery of the New Haven Eagles. His reputation preceded him and he was the unanimous choice of his teammates to wear the "C" on his shirt.
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Although Carson was a fine hockey player, his inclination was toward education more than it was to the NHL. He attended the University of Toronto and played on the Varsity team, winning the Allan Cup in 1921 and staying in OHA senior hockey while finishing his studies.
Carson stayed in the game for a few years, playing in Grimsby and Stratford and earning the admiration of the St. Pats, precursor to the Maple Leafs. He joined the St. Pats and NHL full-time in 1926-27, the year the team was sold to Conn Smythe and the name change made.

Carson had impressive years of 16 and 20 goals with Toronto, but midway through 1928-29 he was sold to Boston and helped the Bruins win their first Stanley Cup just a few weeks later.

Carson played one more season with the Bruins, then more or less retired to go into dentistry, the result of his studies at the U of T.
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He went on to play with the Peach Kings in Grimsby for one year and then with the Stratford Indians for two more years. He had an impressive showing in 1924-25 netting 29 goals and 8 assists in 20 games.

Meanwhile, the Toronto St Pats noticed Carson's performance and boasted his signing with the team in 1926. The manager and coach Mike Rodden wanted everyone to know that he was bringing in new blood, placing much hope and trust in Carson. His trust was well founded when the Pats soon became the Maple Leafs in 1927 and Carson's stellar performance made him a fan favourite. Carson would also go down in the history books as a charter member of the new Toronto Maple Leafs. It is thought that Bill Carson may have scored the first Maple Leaf goal!

It was in his third season with Toronto, on February 4, 1928, the leafs met the Detroit Cougars in a very physical game. Carson was badly hurt when on the receiving end of a hard body-check sending him to the ice. He sustained a severe concussion and a fractured skull. Although he recovered and returned to the lineup, he was not the same player. Toronto traded him to Boston on January 25, 1929.

The Bruins' investment paid off when Carson scored the winning goal in the Bruins' first Stanley Cup at 18:02 of the third period making the score 2 - 1 against the New York Rangers at Madison Square Garden in 1929. The series was 2 - 0.
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William, or Bill, was born in 1900 in Bracebridge and, according to our research at the Hockey Hall of Fame in Toronto, he seems to have been the most renowned of the three brothers. In Wing's, History of Parry Sound, it states that, "[i]n 1921, Bill Carson was considered the best junior hockey player in Ontario."

In the early 1920s, Bill went to the University of Toronto to study dentistry. While at the U of T he excelled on the varsity hockey team. In 1926, he joined the NHL's Toronto St. Pats and in 1927, he was a charter member of the new Toronto Maple Leafs. It is actually even rumoured that he scored the first Maple Leaf goal!

In 1928, Bill's contract was sold to the Boston Bruins and he scored the winning goal in the Bruins' first Stanley Cup.

Unfortunately, his career seems to have been cut short by an arm injury hereceived while with the St. Pats. Although he only played in the NHL for four years, he also spent some time in the American Hockey League with the New Haven Eagles and, in later years, did some scouting as well.

Generally speaking, little is known of Bill's hockey career. We find it strange that in a "hockey town" like ours, a man who was classed among hockey greats like Howie Morenz, Busher Jackson, Ace Bailey, Hap Day and Eddie Shore is virtually unrecognized. During his short career Bill Carson was one of the best and highest paid players in the NHL.

After his career in hockey, Bill returned to practice dentistry, first in Aurora and eventually in Parry Sound. Bill Carson, nicknamed "Doc", died in Parry Sound in May of 1967.
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the Indians played the entire overtime with one man short, Bill Carson having been banished for the remainder of the game for hitting jackhammering, the referee. The fracas occurred just before the final bell rang for the full-time. Burke had just been banished and when the puck was faced off, Arnott, at center, got a crack on the ankle. Bill Carson went to assist him up and Cameron followed him, apparently ragging bill. Carson turned and hit Cameron on the job, the referee landing on his back on the ice. For a few minutes a general mixup seemed imminent, but it quieted down as speedily as it came up. Carson's penalty cost the locals the game, as during the first 10 min. of overtime the Indians held off the Presto nights.… At that, Carson's action was not without provocation. Cameron at no time was master of the game and his decisions were Reardon many instances. He and Bill Carson clashed earlier in the game when he banished bill for questioning a decision.… Just previous to Carson hitting him, Bill was over helping Arnott to his feet. Cameron followed over and the scene apparently to remonstrate to the player, then Bill hit him.… Bill Carson uncorked one of his sensational rushes and caught the defense and goalie cold
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Bill Carson took the leap today, on the eve of the National Hockey League meeting at Montréal the great Stratford center player attached a signature to a St. Patrick's contract calling for the largest salary ever paid a player in the history of the sport. The St. Patrick's refused to divulge the amount paid to the brilliant goal getter, but they maintained that it had set a new record.… Carson broke into the OHA Junior series in 1918 when his team, Woodstock, finished as runners-up for the title… In 1920 Carson was the outstanding star on the University of Toronto team which captured the intercollegiate union honors and played against the Falcons, Olympic winners, in the Allan cup series.… Carson captained the 1921 University of Toronto senior team, which won the Allan cup. This was the greatest collection that ever wore the famous blue-and-white colors. During the next two seasons Carson played center for the U of T team winning the intercollegiate union championship both seasons. In the following year he played for the Grimsby intermediates, although selected to make the trip to the Olympics with the granites. Last year Carson played for the Stratford OHA seniors group finalists, and this year he was with Stratford again. He led the OHA goal getters in the last two seasons. When he signed today for the new St. Pats manager Mike Rodden, the longest chase in the history of the sport came to a close. St. Patrick's Scouts have been on Carson's trail for several seasons and they have just about concluded that Carson would never make the jump. Today, however, Rodden persuaded him to join the Irishman. St. Pats are on their way in their efforts to giving Toronto a winning team.… Bill Carson was one of the players keenly sought by the Montréal maroons last season. His jump to the Irish team of the NHL should greatly strengthen it scoring punch, and, incidentally, it marks an early start by the clubs and bolstering up weak positions before next season.
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Bill Carson was the pivot to the Irish attack, and he exhibited a style seldom surpassed in the arena. He drove in three of the St. Patrick's goals, while day was responsible for two.
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Bill Carson and Irvin Bailey, the two amateur stars secured from OHA ranks by Toronto St. Pats this season, have proven outstanding performers on the Irish front rank. Carson is one of the fastest men in the league and a flashy puck carrier…
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Dr. Bill Carson, playing left-wing for the St. Pats appears to be one of the outstanding stars of the NHL and it would not be surprising to find him leading the goal getters in the eastern section at the end of the season.
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Bill Carson was two thirds of the Toronto attack. He had been threatening throughout the period. Once he was stopped when he had gotten by the defense, but the doctor contrived to get in again and this time he scored. He pushed the puck between the points, salvaged it inside the defense, pulled the goalie out of the net and scored without opposition.
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Dr. Bill Carson, leafs center ace, stood out as an attacking force for the leafs and counted to of his teams for tallies.… Carson's first tally was distinctly a lone effort. Starting from his own defense the leafs center stick handled his way down the ice, drew Burke aside, slipped past Mantha, and drove a bullet like shot that Hainsworth had little chance to save.
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the leafs main forward line, Dr. Bill Carson, Irving Bailey, and ***** ***, are rated one of the speediest lines in hockey…


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I feel like an enforcer is a good idea...

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I'm too drunk to draft a coach, so...

Derek King, LW



A solid ES and PP scorer with surprisingly strong +/- showing for a player who played on mediocre to bad teams.

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Can't believe Derek King just got selected.... In fairness, he did admit to being drunk.

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Eh? Some sort of Leaf hatred?

0.53 ESPG, 0.24 PPPG, adjusted +86.

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Derek King was a left-winger with a fine offensive touch and above-average speed. He often scored his goals in bunches and preferred to use his speed to shed the opposition as opposed to playing rough.
He may be the first name that popped up in my head at the moment, but he's still way ahead of the Burrowses of this world.

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Eh? Some sort of Leaf hatred?

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He may be the first name that popped up in my head at the moment, but he's still way ahead of the Burrowses of this world.
no, not Leaf hatred at all. He did an ok job as a Leaf based on what was expected. He was there for the transition from crap to pretender.

I just don't think he was that good. He got 38+ goals twice, playing with Lafontaine, and he's frequently used as an example of what Lafontaine had to play with.

Honestly, 612 points in 830 games is not too shabby, and maybe it's not nearly as bad as my first impression - it's just that he was never the catalyst, it seemed. Someone else was always considered responsible for his success.

Instead of King, you could get guys who were somewhat catalysts, or, you could get guys like King, only better.

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I wanted St.Marseille as the 14th forward. Alas, he got stolen, and pretty much every other forward but King that I had on shortlist was center, and having two extra centers is bollocks. Bottom line, it's just bloody 14th forward.

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When guys like Frank St. Marseille are that sought after just a couple days after I took guys like Mike Murphy and Pete Stemkowski, it shows me I'm doing pretty damn good.

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Dutch Hiller, LW



- 5'8", 170 lbs
- Stanley Cup (1940, 1946)
- Top-23 in Points 3 Times (13th, 23rd, 23rd)
- Top-10 in Playoff Points Twice (6th, 9th)
- Ranked # on the Recent Top-100 Rangers List, despite playing only 4 full seasons with them

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His first Ranger games unfolded in 1937 where, as a member of the "Roughneck" line, he joined Phil Watson and Bryan Hextall in making life difficult for the opposition
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considered one of the fastest skaters of his era...
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Ironically, the last three survivors of that Cup team before Hiller's passing was his entire line -- Clint "Snuffy" Smith and Alf Pike were his linemates. Smith, the oldest living Cup winner in the NHL, recently told John Halligan for an article to be included in the next issue of Blueshirt Bulletin that “Dutch was the fastest [skater]. Nobody could keep up with him, not in the entire League.”
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in the 1941 playoffs, Dutch Hiller got into hot water with his boss Lester Patrick. He showed up for the final game of the Rangers and Detroit semifinals with All his bags packed, assigned Patrick to me that Hiller thought the team would lose and he wanted to get out of town right away. "I never packed my bags because I thought we would lose," he tried to explain. "I thought we would win." Regardless, two days after the win Patrick traded him to Detroit.
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when the Rangers won the Stanley Cup in 1940 they had one of the speediest clubs the NHL has ever known. The fastest this group was Dutch Hiller, one of many Kitchener, Ontario natives to reach the majors. "Dutch wasn't too big," said his coach Frank Boucher, "but he simply glided with an unusual gait which he seemed to lift himself above the ice with each stride."
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the Rangers PR department didn't much like the name Wilbert and instead called him Dutch because he was always in dutch, i.e. in trouble, on the ice.
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according to those who played with him, and perhaps more important, those who played against him, Dutch Hiller was the fastest skater of his era, bar none. It was Hiller the fastest skater to ever play for the Rangers? Probably yes, but each era has a claimant to that honor… Hiller remembers muscling the puck away from Ted Kennedy behind the Rangers net and whistling at crisp pass to Phil Watson at the first blueline… Watson found Hextall protected… Hextall's sharp backhander eluded Turk Broda's catching glove, and the Rangers were celebrating their third Stanley Cup championship… Primarily a defensive player...

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With yesterday's skipped pick, Queen's University select 18-year NHL veteran left winger Ron Murphy, an Original Six Era scoring line player who became a checking line regular.



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At age 19, not long after shining as the offensive star of the 1952 Memorial Cup championship (20 points in 12 games), he started his long NHL career and two years later, in his first full NHL season in New York, was 5th in Rangers scoring, and again did so the next year, and was on pace to repeat his scoring trend in 1956-57 when the 23 year old was involved in the infamous stick-swiming incident with Boom Boom (Geoffrion broke Murphy's jaw), resulting in Murphy's only ever AHL assignment in his 14 seasons in Original Era NHL hockey, and that was soon followed by a trade to Chicago, where with the Blackhawks he was again top-5 in team scoring two of his first three seasons there.


Murphy and Nesterenko are battling against Toronto in this photo.

Murphy was Nesterenko's linemate for several years on the Blackhawks in the O6 era, mostly on a checking line though the two of them played with Hull prior to they getting hurt halfway through the 1960-61 season. The next season Horvath centered them, though Murphy was hurt come the playoffs so Fleming joined the line temporarily. The following season Murphy and Nesterenko played with an undrafted center on what is described as a checking line. (Note: Nesterenko, drafted in the 13th round of ATD 2010, is often listed as a center but he played right wing for several seasons with Murphy, as a number of centers joined them over the years.) Murphy scored double digit goals in each of the ten Original-6 Era full seasons he played, including 21 (2nd in team goal scoring) and an NHL all-star team berth the season the Blackhawks went on to the Stanley Cup , he contributing a couple of playoff goals in the win.

The worst you can say is that he was "Promise Unfulfilled", as he's labelled in the book Hockey's Glory Days: in the 1950's and 1960's . But, even then, he was a checking line regular and secondary scorer through much of the Original Six Era. And he was talked out of retirement by Boston to join Esposito and Cashman on the Bruins top line, the trio setting the league record for scoring by a line in the 1968–69 NHL season, Murphy 6th in team scoring that season, his last full season before retiring. He is mostly a LW, though he was RW when playing on top lines with Hull in Chicago and Cashman in Boston.


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Johnstown Jets select: Defenseman Shawn Chambers



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Shawn Chambers was selected by the Minnesota North Stars in the 1987 NHL Supplemental Draft. He played junior hockey in Michigan with Detroit Compuware before enrolling at the University of Alaska-Fairbanks, where he played two years of hockey.

Chambers left Alaska-Fairbanks during the 1986-87 season and joined the WHL's Seattle Thunderbirds for the remainder of the season. Following a brief stay in the IHL with the Fort Wayne Komets at the end of the 1986-87 season, Chambers played in 19 games with the North Stars in 1987-88, scoring a goal and eight points while spending some time with the team's IHL affiliate Kalamazoo. Chambers stayed with the North Stars through the 1990-91 season.

After playing two games with the Washington Capitals in 1991-92, Chambers joined the Tampa Bay Lightning in 1992-93, playing 55 games, and scoring 39 points. He remained with the Lightning until being traded to the New Jersey Devils midway through the shortened 1994-95 season. He also suited up for 20 playoff games as the Devils won their first-ever Stanley Cup, bouncing the Detroit Red Wings in four-straight games. Chambers played another two years with the Devils before joining the Dallas Stars in 1997-98.

In 1998-99, the Stars won the President's Trophy for earning the most points during the regular season. They followed their successful season in the playoff run, beating the Buffalo Sabres in the Stanley Cup finals, earning Chambers his second Cup ring. Following the Stars Cup win in 1999, Chambers decided to call it a career after playing only four games during the 1999-2000 season.
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being a key player in 2 cup wins and another finals run doesn't hurt either.


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Tom Johnson, coach



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Queen's University select center Mickey Roach, the 8-year NHL veteran who finished 4th and 6th in NHL assists in 1920-21 and 1922-23 as well as 6th in NHL goals with 17 in 1922-23. He had been a 1st team all-star on the Hamilton Tigers in the OHA-Sr. league in 1919, scoring also in the Allan Cup that year. He was a USNHL 1st team all-star the season before that, and a AAHL 1st team all-star twice before that. He clearly earned his way up to the highest level of competition.



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Mickey Roach was an early example of an American-born player who made it to the NHL. He did so on the strength of his excellent offensive skills and ability to manoeuvre his tiny little frame with great speed and agility.

He turned pro with the Boston Arenas of the AAHA in 1914-15. He completed his first campaign by becoming the league's scoring champ. He was less successful, however, at lighting the scoreboard over the three seasons that followed. He left the Arenas after two seasons to put in a year with the New York Crescents and the New York Wanderers of the USAHA.

It wasn't until Roach came to Canada to skate for the Hamilton Tigers of the OHA Seniors that his stick began to heat up again. He finished the 1918-1919 season as the league's top scorer.

The following year, the speedy little centreman joined the Toronto St. Pats of the NHL. Over the next seven years, Roach performed as a steady scorer, especially for the Hamilton Tigers who had joined the NHL by 1920. In 1922-23, in a Tigers' sweater, he put in his personal-best campaign, garnering 25 points in 23 games.

In 1925-26, Roach made the transfer with the Tigers to New York as the franchise was sold. The team's new incarnation was as the New York Americans. The veteran centreman played two more seasons with the Amerks
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The Tigers draft Bobby Kromm.



* Jack Adams Trophy (1978) Detroit Red Wings, head coach
* WHA Championship (1976) Winnipeg Jets, head coach
* Canada Cup (1976) Team Canada, assistant coach
* CHL Championships (1969, 1974) Dallas Blackhawks, head coach
* World Championship Gold (1961) Trail Smoke Eaters, head coach

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He was the coach when the Smokies lost to Chatham in the Allan Cup final in 1960, but also when Trail won the amateur championship of Canada the following year. The team travelled to Geneva in 1961 and knocked off the Soviets and the rest of the world to become the last amateur Canadian team to win the World Championships.

Kromm went on to coach in the minor pro leagues for years, most notably with the Chicago Blackhawks' farm team in Dallas where he twice won CHL championships and made the final two other times. He stayed buried in Dallas for nearly a decade, earning top coach honors in 1972, as the Blackhawks promised him one day he would coach in the NHL. Kromm even turned down offers form the Atlanta Flames and Washington Capitals to be loyal to the Chicago organization that never fulfilled its promise to promote him.

In 1975 Kromm jumped to the World Hockey Association and became coach of Bobby Hull's Winnipeg Jets. In a dream season Kromm captured the Avco Cup and became the championship coach in his first year in the major leagues. He even outdistanced Jacques Demers as WHA coach of the year.

He would coach the Jets for one more year before taking the job in Detroit. The Jets actually wanted to give Kromm their general manager job, too, but the fiercely loyal Kromm refused to take Rudy Pilous' job. Pilous was the man who had hired Kromm, and Kromm refused to take his job when the Jets fired him.

Kromm meanwhile used an escape clause in his contract to jump to Detroit. The Wings finished second in 1978 and Kromm was voted coach of the year, with Don Cherry at Boston second in the balloting and Scotty Bowman at Montreal third. The Wings not only made the playoffs, but escaped the first round by beating Atlanta before bowing out to the defending Stanley Cup champions from Montreal.

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