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In the "New" Era, what will your team needs be when the NHL gets back? (opinion)

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05-11-2005, 05:49 AM
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Habs should

Buyout Patrice Brisebois (1M$)
Sign all our RFAs
Let walk Karl D and try to ink Kovalev to a reasonnable deal. If it' not possible, try to sign a first line winger and a good D (Aucoin, Foote, Zhitnik)


Could look like:
Zednik - Koivu - Kovalev (/UFA)
Dagenais/Perezhogin - Ribeiro - Ryder
Bulis - Bonk - Sundström
Higgins/Plekanec -Begin - Ward

Souray - Komisarek
Markov - UFA
Hainsey - Rivet

Theodore - Huet

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There's a joke going on in other boards saying that Staples is built over an ancient Indian burial ground. I can't even remember half the injuries we had last season. Stumpel, Cechmanek, Miller, Norstrom, Palffy, Deadmarsh, Allison, Visnovsky...
Whoever started that then got it from Florida. The Office Depot Center was built on an ancient burial ground.

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Blues

G:
Sanford-500K
Lalime 2.5 m

Total: 3 mil

D:
*Zubov-5.5 mil
Jackman-1.5 m
Backman-1.2m
Salvador-1.3m
Weinrich-1.8m
Walker-400K
Stuart-500K

Total: 12.2 mil

F:
Boguniecki-600K
Low- 700K
Sejna-600K
Weight-6mil
Tkachuk-9mil
Cajanek-1.1mil
McClement-500K
Sillinger-1.3 m
Rycroft-400K
DiSalvatore-400K
Drake- 1.4 m
Johnson-700K
* Jeff O'Neill-3.5mil
* Scott Walker-2.5 mil

Total: 28.7 mil

Total team salary before rollback- 43.9 mil
Total team salary after 24% rollback- 33.4 mil

Tkachuk- Cajanek- O'Neill
Sejna- Weight- S. Walker
Drake- Sillinger- Boguniecki
Rycroft- McClement- Low
Disalvatore/ R. Johnson

Zubov/Jackman
Backman/Weinrich
Salvador/M. Walker
Stuart

Lalime
Sanford

FA needs:
A #1 D men
2 scoring line Rw's
*-indicates a FA aquisition

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Milbury will lose Aucoin, Jonsson, Hamrlik, Peca, etc

He will use this as an excuse to rebuild, Wang will endorse his decision to go with youth and Alexei Yashin will then take up 50% of the payroll, not 25%.

- Dave Scatchard will be forced to play 30 minutes a game, taking every faceoff.
- Oleg Kvasha will become a 65-70 point 2nd line center.
- Jason Blake will continue to be a pesky waterbug and get his 50 points, 25 goals off 3,456 shots.
- Janne Niinimaa will finally get to play his game in an Islanders uniform when Stirling figures out the team has too many young players to play the trap.
- Rick DiPietro will become a stellar goaltender, but his gaa will still be high as the Isles lack of D will yield 4 goals a game.
- Mark Parrish will get somewhere along the lines of 25-30 goals, all within a month's time.
- Robert Nillson will never come to the Isles and will continue shuttling around Europe.
- Petteri Nokalanien will make Milbury look like a genius when he comes to the Isles and offers decent offense but sound defensive hockey.
- Mariusz Czerkawski will rejoin the Isles, get 20 goals and Milbury will refuse to offer him 500k post-CBA.
- Alexei Yashin will get the quietest 35g, 40a ever...meanwhile Jason Spezza will get 30g and 30a and will be proclaimed the next 50g, 70a centerman (sorry, couldn't resist).

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We need very good center to replace forsberg/sakic.

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other assumptions - you have 3 guys (Lang, Hatcher, Whitney), where you say Detroit will be able to "eat" some contract. It's a huge assumption that the $$ they eat won't go against their salary cap - which IMO it would definitely. Otherwise you can throw out the cost certainty and level playing field here, as large market teams will have a huge asset that smaller markets don't - they'll get assets back for simply eating salary that other teams couldn't.
I could see it going both ways.

1. Cash counts against seller (your suggestion) works to stop teams overspending, especially on UFAs since the buyout part gets stuck on the books. They can however sign the players and get something decent for them. Some rich teams might make a profession from buying players, eating salary (their cap), then selling them on for picks. If teams started doing this it would add upward salary pressure.

2. If it all counts against the buyer it can also work to dampen the market. Teams have to think twice because there may be no other buyers. Take Jagr, no way Washington could have traded an Jagr at $11m if NYR had to take on the whole $11m against its cap space even if Wash gave them $5m in cash. Cap space not cash becomes the issue. So teams will have problems moving these overpaid guys and could end up stuck with the entire salary of an unmovable player. Something for GMs to really think about.

Now imagine you are the Islanders. You've got Yashin for years and years. Under a buyer assumes all salary against cap system he's practically untradable. The Islanders could send $4m/y in cash and he's still not going to have much value just because of the cap space issues and length of contract. On the hand, if the Islanders could absorb $4m in cap space and give up $4m/y they can free up $5m in both cash & space, then they could get a very good return since a $4-5m Yashin is a valuable asset.

Both systems have their pluses and minuses, but both should work.


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#1 Get a UFA centerman that can play PP and be an outscorer, should be under 33 years old, signed to a 3 year deal with the assumption that he'll be the #1 guy.

#2 Get a puck moving defenseman who's value is lower than it should be right now.. ie: Staios, Ulanov, Cross in past years.

Smyth - UFA - Hemsky
Torres - York - Dvorak
Moreau - Horcoff - Pisani
Rita - Stoll - Harvery
extra's: Laraque, Isbister, Winchester

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Oilers:

#1 Get a UFA centerman that can play PP and be an outscorer, should be under 33 years old, signed to a 3 year deal with the assumption that he'll be the #1 guy.

#2 Get a puck moving defenseman who's value is lower than it should be right now.. ie: Staios, Ulanov, Cross in past years.

Smyth - UFA - Hemsky
Torres - York - Dvorak
Moreau - Horcoff - Pisani
Rita - Stoll - Harvery
extra's: Laraque, Isbister, Winchester

schremp>????? i;d put him at 2nd line

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schremp>????? i;d put him at 2nd line
next year or possibly two to three years down the road?

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schremp>????? i;d put him at 2nd line
Come on man, Schremp isn't even in the AHL yet. Give him at least one or two more years of development before throwing him into the deep end. Edmonton plays a vigorous fast-paced game and Schremp's mediocre skating combined with his defensive lapses will kill him out there. Especially since Edmonton plays in a very intense division with Calgary, Vancouver, Colorado and Minnesota.

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The Rangers are a work in progress.Too many issues concerning the new CBA

Six players signed for next season:Jaromir Jagr,Bobby Holik,Michael Nylander,Darius Kasparaitis,Fedor Tyutin and Dale Purinton

No veteran goaltender under contract but Henrik Lundqvist does want to come to New York for next season.Will Lundqvist need to see time in the AHL?Al Montoya?Hartford or Michigan?

The Rangers would like to sign Jarkko Immonen to play in New York.They would also like to bring over Petr Prucha

Many group II's-Tom Poti,Karel Rachunek,Jamie Lundmark,Jed Ortmeyer,Josef Balej,Garth Murray,Dan Blackburn?,Kevin Weekes(could be a group III),Bryce Lampman,Blair Betts and Jason Strudwick(could be a group III)

Group III's-Mike Dunham(hope so),Jason Marshall

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What the Blues need is largely dependent on whether or not they are able to retain Pronger.

If Pronger is retained, they will in the roster with players who can compete now... more specifically, they'll need wingers. They're pretty much set elsewhere.

If Pronger goes, then the full rebuilding process begins now.

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For the Sens current payroll is something like this:
me First Name Position Team
Compensation 04/05
Alfredsson $5,430,660.00
Chara $4,600,000.00
de Vries $3,100,000.00
Fisher $1,362,500.00
Hasek $2,000,000.00
Havlat $2,300,000.00
Hossa $3,450,000.00
Langfeld $475,000.00
Neil $700,000.00
Phillips $2,300,000.00
Pothier $625,000.00
Prusek $935,000.00
Redden $4,700,000.00
Schaefer $1,200,000.00
Smolinski $2,700,000.00
Varada $1,600,000.00
White $1,300,000.00

Total Payroll Pre-rollback - 38.775 million

Removing those who may or may not play:
Hasek 2.0 million
Add Emery at 600,000(guess)

Payroll is then at 37.375 million
Rollback 9.0 million
Payroll after rollback 28.375
Resignings:
Hossa - add 1.5 million
Havlat - add 500,000

New Payroll 30.375

Acquistions/Trades:

Trade De Vries and White and 3rd round pick to New York for Dan Blackburn
Cost : -3.356 million
Sign Andrej Meszraos
Cost: 900,000
Sign Patrick Eaves
Cost: 900,000
Sign Chris Pronger
Cost: 5.5 million(4 year deal)
Add Chris Kelly
Cost: 450,000
Resign Spezza
Cost : 2.3 million
Add Vermette, and Volchenkov
Cost: 1.5 million

New Payroll : 38.569 million

This payroll solidifies the defence to a ridiculous extent, of course this assumes Pronger would sign with Ottawa. As he's been rumored to be going to Ottawa many times, this isn't that much of a stretch, and as he's reaching the latter years of his career, he would likely want to win a Cup before he retires. I'm assuming that Ottawa does not need to sign a UFA goaltender or forward. I think they'll try Prusek and Emery for now, much as Colorado did last year and see how it works before signing anyone else. Eaves adds a gritty element and would make a welcome addition to play alongside Fisher. I'm assuming in this scenario that NY would accept such a trade, as Blackburn seems to be on the outs in New York, with Montoya on his way up, this isn't completely unfounded. It gives Ottawa another option should Emery not pan out.

Lines would then be as such:

Havlat-Spezza-Hossa
Vermette-Smolinski-Alfredsson
Schaefer-Fisher-Eaves
Varada-Kelly-Neil

Redden-Pronger
Chara-Phillips
Volchenkov-Meszaros

Prusek
Emery

Let me know what you think. I'm of the belief that Ottawa doesn't need a free-agent forward and can build from within bringing up Eaves and promoting Vermette to the 2nd line. If Vermette doesn't work there, they could certainly switch him and Fisher or put Eaves on the 2nd line, playing LW as he did in the World Juniors. The defence would be very seasoned, with the 2 Norris trophy runners up from last season. If need be, a veteran goaltender could be added in via trade should Prusek and Emery be unable to hold the fort. This would hopefully be below a cap level, and would allow some flexibility at the trade deadline to acquire salary if need be. It would also be lower than their payroll in 2003-04 but with the addition of Pronger.

Any thoughts?

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I could see it going both ways.

1. Cash counts against seller (your suggestion) works to stop teams overspending, especially on UFAs since the buyout part gets stuck on the books. They can however sign the players and get something decent for them. Some rich teams might make a profession from buying players, eating salary (their cap), then selling them on for picks. If teams started doing this it would add upward salary pressure.

2. If it all counts against the buyer it can also work to dampen the market. Teams have to think twice because there may be no other buyers. Take Jagr, no way Washington could have traded an Jagr at $11m if NYR had to take on the whole $11m against its cap space even if Wash gave them $5m in cash. Cap space not cash becomes the issue. So teams will have problems moving these overpaid guys and could end up stuck with the entire salary of an unmovable player. Something for GMs to really think about.

Now imagine you are the Islanders. You've got Yashin for years and years. Under a buyer assumes all salary against cap system he's practically untradable. The Islanders could send $4m/y in cash and he's still not going to have much value just because of the cap space issues and length of contract. On the hand, if the Islanders could absorb $4m in cap space and give up $4m/y they can free up $5m in both cash & space, then they could get a very good return since a $4-5m Yashin is a valuable asset.

Both systems have their pluses and minuses, but both should work.
the system is impossible to figure out right now... anything to happen.

What I'd assume though is that teams will be allowed to buy-out player contracts as per the last CBA (2/3rd salary), or maybe buy-out at 100% of contract. This gives teams an option to dump their salary to re-tool for the new CBA. This is also an advantage to big market teams. Because a small market team - for example, lets take the NYI situation (not really small market, but not a big market team) - won't have the ability to simply buy-out contracts as easily. For example: if Yashin and his deal is on NYR, they could easily buy-out the $9mill/yr for the rest of the deal. If there's even a $50mill salary cap, that's only $59mill going against their payroll, which is easily capable of going over $70mill there. If the player is bought out, then the salary comes from their resources, but that contract is no longer on the books, so their payroll for cap purposes would still be under the cap.

A team like NYI couldn't do that. Assuming their payroll will be around $40mill, even if they bought out Yashin's contract to sit at that $40mill mark, they're still forced to dedicate $49mill to their player salaries, while it may not be on their payroll... not something that would be easy for them to do.

But teams like Detroit, Colorado, NYR, Toronto, should be able to eat some salary to wipe it off their payroll for cap purposes, without actually losing money as a franchise.

I think this system works, because it gives teams a chance to get rid of expensive contracts, while those players benefit because they essentially get bought out (and could be even better if they get 100% of their salary) and then are back in the UFA market, the NHL salary structure could come back down to earth a lot quicker too.

I also would like to see teams being allowed to eat some salary (which goes against their own cap), when making deals. Like the Yashin situation, he could get more value on the market like you said, since a team would be much more willing to have him for $4mill a yr, instead of $9... but it still wouldn't help the Isles much (which is fair since they signed him to that contract), because even if they eat $5mill of that contract, that's $5mill still under their cap, without a player actually playing there for that. Like the Washington-NRY situation, where Washington should to deal with the $5mill they're still paying Jagr each year, under their cap.

This ensures that teams like the Rangers don't sign players to huge contracts, only to eat some of the salary to flip them in a deal, because the salary they eat should go under whatever the cap would be.

just thinking out loud here though... Really anything can happen... while all this would be good for cost certainty IMO, it's certainly not going to be something that will get any support from the players' side.

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Columbus needs someone for Rick Nash to pass to.

Just kidding mind you but it's funny to hear all the banter about him and how he's great, he's a puck hog, he's worse than everyone when they were the same age, he's better than everyone when they were 20....

As a Jackets fan, we need D, more D and Joe Thornton for Nash

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kingpest, I'd say that's about right for you guys. Your injuries were not quite as random as some of the Flyers' (Desjardins re-breaking his arm playing catch with his son?!?), but I don't think I have ever seen pretty much an entire team injured in one season like the Kings. You have my sympathies.
Oh some of them have been pretty freak things. Cammalleri got a concussion before warmups one night. The guys were kicking around a soccer ball to loosen up and somehow it hit Cammalleri in the head and he got a concussion. Deadmarsh got his last concussion after being kicked in the head by Craig Johnson and then Stumpel ran into him when they were both skating in non-contact drills. Brown sprained his ankle which is common enough but they said that the way his ankle got bent and completely stretched out the ligaments and tendons, he would have been better off breaking the bone, he would have come back sooner. It's not that often you'll hear that. Ian Laperriere took a shot, it got deflected and hit Ziggy Palffy square on the cheekbone and broke his face. They did get new strength and conditioning coaches after the first injury plagued season. I don't know how much of it is the players being out of shape though. If they had a ton of groin/abdominal or other muscle type injuries I would think that would be a sign of something in the way they train. There's not a lot trainers and conditioning staff can do to prevent broken bones, sprains, or tears that come from hits on the ice. I don't know if there's anything different they can do about the concussions other than not signing/trading for players with concussion problems. Sure Murray dressing an enforcer might help stop some of the injuries, but really, other than Allison, I can't think of injuries that have really come from blatent cheap shots.

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For the Sens current payroll is something like this:
me First Name Position Team
Compensation 04/05
Alfredsson $5,430,660.00
Chara $4,600,000.00
de Vries $3,100,000.00
Fisher $1,362,500.00
Hasek $2,000,000.00
Havlat $2,300,000.00
Hossa $3,450,000.00
Langfeld $475,000.00
Neil $700,000.00
Phillips $2,300,000.00
Pothier $625,000.00
Prusek $935,000.00
Redden $4,700,000.00
Schaefer $1,200,000.00
Smolinski $2,700,000.00
Varada $1,600,000.00
White $1,300,000.00

Total Payroll Pre-rollback - 38.775 million

Removing those who may or may not play:
Hasek 2.0 million
Add Emery at 600,000(guess)

Payroll is then at 37.375 million
Rollback 9.0 million
Payroll after rollback 28.375
Resignings:
Hossa - add 1.5 million
Havlat - add 500,000

New Payroll 30.375

Acquistions/Trades:

Trade De Vries and White and 3rd round pick to New York for Dan Blackburn
Cost : -3.356 million
Sign Andrej Meszraos
Cost: 900,000
Sign Patrick Eaves
Cost: 900,000
Sign Chris Pronger
Cost: 5.5 million(4 year deal)
Add Chris Kelly
Cost: 450,000
Resign Spezza
Cost : 2.3 million
Add Vermette, and Volchenkov
Cost: 1.5 million

New Payroll : 38.569 million

This payroll solidifies the defence to a ridiculous extent, of course this assumes Pronger would sign with Ottawa. As he's been rumored to be going to Ottawa many times, this isn't that much of a stretch, and as he's reaching the latter years of his career, he would likely want to win a Cup before he retires. I'm assuming that Ottawa does not need to sign a UFA goaltender or forward. I think they'll try Prusek and Emery for now, much as Colorado did last year and see how it works before signing anyone else. Eaves adds a gritty element and would make a welcome addition to play alongside Fisher. I'm assuming in this scenario that NY would accept such a trade, as Blackburn seems to be on the outs in New York, with Montoya on his way up, this isn't completely unfounded. It gives Ottawa another option should Emery not pan out.

Lines would then be as such:

Havlat-Spezza-Hossa
Vermette-Smolinski-Alfredsson
Schaefer-Fisher-Eaves
Varada-Kelly-Neil

Redden-Pronger
Chara-Phillips
Volchenkov-Meszaros

Prusek
Emery

Let me know what you think. I'm of the belief that Ottawa doesn't need a free-agent forward and can build from within bringing up Eaves and promoting Vermette to the 2nd line. If Vermette doesn't work there, they could certainly switch him and Fisher or put Eaves on the 2nd line, playing LW as he did in the World Juniors. The defence would be very seasoned, with the 2 Norris trophy runners up from last season. If need be, a veteran goaltender could be added in via trade should Prusek and Emery be unable to hold the fort. This would hopefully be below a cap level, and would allow some flexibility at the trade deadline to acquire salary if need be. It would also be lower than their payroll in 2003-04 but with the addition of Pronger.

Any thoughts?
Even under a Cap Pronger is going to be able to get more than 5.5 mil. Heck, if Pronger would sign for 5.5 mil the Blues would resign him and not think twice about it. Pronger may very well sign in Ottawa(and BTW I don't expect him to be a Blue after the lockout ends(but there's no way we're going into a "rebuild"either)) but there is no way he would accept that low of a figure. The lowest I can see him going is 7 mil, and even then he'd have to really like the town to give them that bargain. Pronger is the most complete D man in the NHL right now, you aren't going to get him for cheap.


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What the Blues need is largely dependent on whether or not they are able to retain Pronger.

If Pronger is retained, they will in the roster with players who can compete now... more specifically, they'll need wingers. They're pretty much set elsewhere.

If Pronger goes, then the full rebuilding process begins now.
I disagree slightly with your assesment of our team.

The Blues have a solid D core with or without Pronger. Jackman, Backman and Salvy are all solid top 4 D men, Weinrich is still a very valueable role player, Walker is a solid # 6 and Stuart, Brimmanis and Mottau have all got NHL experience. The only difference Pronger makes on our D is whether it's considered "solid" or "elite". As Tampa proved this year, you don't need an "elite" defense to compete for the Cup. If the Blues sign any legit Top 2 D man our defense is more than enough to remain competitive. My preference would be to take a slight step down on D(in the form of Zubov, Aucoin, MacInnis(if by some miracle he can come back) or Gonchar (and yes, there is a reason why 3 of the 4 are right handed shots)) to supplement the scoring(which, BTW is not nearly as poor as most people make it out to be). Whether we let Pronger walk or not, I don't see us entering a rebuild. The D is still solid, the forward group is close to being solid(we need exactly 2 scoring RW's(of which there are plenty to go around) to have a solid offense) and Lalime is a perfectly fine starting goalie. As I said, we're too close to being a Contender for us to blow up the team and rebuild. I don't see us ever going into a full "rebuil" while Pleau is the Gm and Laurie is the owner. They are too fixated on the PO streak to let it end.

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I disagree slightly with your assesment of our team.

The Blues have a solid D core with or without Pronger. Jackman, Backman and Salvy are all solid top 4 D men, Weinrich is still a very valueable role player, Walker is a solid # 6 and Stuart, Brimmanis and Mottau have all got NHL experience. The only difference Pronger makes on our D is whether it's considered "solid" or "elite". As Tampa proved this year, you don't need an "elite" defense to compete for the Cup. If the Blues sign any legit Top 2 D man our defense is more than enough to remain competitive. My preference would be to take a slight step down on D(in the form of Zubov, Aucoin, MacInnis(if by some miracle he can come back) or Gonchar (and yes, there is a reason why 3 of the 4 are right handed shots)) to supplement the scoring(which, BTW is not nearly as poor as most people make it out to be). Whether we let Pronger walk or not, I don't see us entering a rebuild. The D is still solid, the forward group is close to being solid(we need exactly 2 scoring RW's(of which there are plenty to go around) to have a solid offense) and Lalime is a perfectly fine starting goalie. As I said, we're too close to being a Contender for us to blow up the team and rebuild. I don't see us ever going into a full "rebuil" while Pleau is the Gm and Laurie is the owner. They are too fixated on the PO streak to let it end.
If Pronger leaving would be the only hole the lineup had then maybe you fill Pronger's void the way you suggest. But this team is severely lacking on offense and if Pronger leaves I can't imagine they're going to be able to fill all the holes and get the team to gel together well enough to actually contend. Thats why, IMO, if Pronger goes you use next year to bring up some youth and sign a above average players.

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Even under a Cap Pronger is going to be able to get more than 5.5 mil. Heck, if Pronger would sign for 5.5 mil the Blues would resign him and not think twice about it. Pronger may very well sign in Ottawa(and BTW I don't expect him to be a Blue after the lockout ends(but there's no way we're going into a "rebuild"either)) but there is no way he would accept that low of a figure. The lowest I can see him going is 7 mil, and even then he'd have to really like the town to give them that bargain. Pronger is the most complete D man in the NHL right now, you aren't going to get him for cheap.
Keep in mind that these would be post rollback dollars so 7 million would be his previous 9.5 million, and the 5.5 million i suggest would be the equivalent of 7.3 million in the old system. I'm not sure he'd sign for that, but I doubt any team signs any UFA in a cap system for 7 million dollars. Even Forsberg, one of the highest paid players in the NHL says he'll take a pay cut. I could see a bonus-laden contract for Pronger, say a base of 5.5 and million dollar bonuses for winning the Norris or Hart Trophies or the team winning the Stanley Cup. As Pronger is a perennial Norris contender, I could see him accepting such a deal.

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schremp>????? i;d put him at 2nd line
Schremp isn't NHL ready yet.. he's got the shot, but I'd feel very nervous having him out against some of the better NHL players. He'll play in the OHL as an over-ager next year and learn all he can from Hunter, and then we'll see if he can make the straight jump or if he has a spend a year (or more..) in the AHL.

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Honestly: Sign Ovechkin, Fehr, and Green

UFA: Bondra(bring back lost fans)

LINES

Line1: Semin - Halpern - Zubrus
Line2: Ovechkin - Aulin - Bondra
Line3: Fleishmann - Sutherby - Fehr
Line4: Verot - Klepis - Peat


D1: Witt - Yonkman
D2: Morrisonn - Eminger
D3: Boumedienne - Green

G1: Kolzig - Ouellet(switch with Daigneault every now and then)


PP1: Semin - Halpern - Ovechkin
Bondra - Witt
PP2: Zubrus - Aulin - Fehr
Boomer - Eminger

PP1(5-3): Klepis - Suts - Fleish
Green - Witt

PP2(5-3): Semin - Zubrus - Fehr
Bondra - Morrisonn

PK1: Halpern - Bondra
Witt - Eminger

PK2: Semin - Ovechkin
Morrison - Boomer

PK1(5-3) Peat - Verot
Witt

PK2(5-3) Halpy - Zubrus
Green

Extra skaters - Fleish, Klepis


Captain - Halpern
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If Pronger leaving would be the only hole the lineup had then maybe you fill Pronger's void the way you suggest. But this team is severely lacking on offense and if Pronger leaves I can't imagine they're going to be able to fill all the holes and get the team to gel together well enough to actually contend. Thats why, IMO, if Pronger goes you use next year to bring up some youth and sign a above average players.

This is a weak arguement.

1) As I said before, we need a TOTAL of 3 players, a Defenseman and 2 RW's. 3 players is not going to drastically alter our chemistry as you are suggesting. The majority of this team will be kept together so chemistry is only a minor issue.

2) The option is there to sign FA's that already have established chemistry on the team. Specifically I'm talking about Demitra, Bure and Ruhinsky.

3) Every team in the league(there are maybe 5 exceptions to this(3 of which are in the Eastern conference) is going to be faced with the exact same "chemistry" isue the BLues will. 70% of the league will be a Fa, some of the teams in the league could come out of this with only 2-3 players remaining from the pre-lockout team. When considering the alternatives, working in a max of 3 players gives the Blues a HUGE leg up in terms of chemistry.

4) Working out chemistry issues is what training camp and the regular season are for. The main issue for the off-season is to get as much talent as you can. Coming together and gelling as a team is exactly what the RS was designed for.

5) Right now, I'm not looking at winning the Cup. I'm looking at winning the Division(and possibly Conference). All of the major powers in the West(Vancouver, Colorado, Detroit, Dallas) are going to be hurt badly by the cap. In most of thier cases they will have to jetison players to fit under the Cap. It is extremely possible that they will fail to even make the PO's the first year. The biggest threat to our winning the Central right now is, IMO, Nashville and they have a holes needing filled and also have to retain most of their younger players(Legwand, Hartnell and Vokoun to name just a few). To put it bluntly, the Central Division is pretty much ours to lose, all we need to do is get our offense up to an acceptable level.

6) Both of the SCF teams had a higher turnover of players than the Blues are looking at. As both of them should have taught you, chemistry can happen very quickly.

7) It is foolish to expect instant chemistry on any team(even the ones that have been together a long time). None of these players have consistently played together for over a year so at the least you should expect a "getting aquiatened" period before anybody really gets on a roll.

8) I'm also getting the impression that you are vastly underrating the potential of our current offense. Most of our players had estremely underwhelming performances in 03-04. Specifically, Boguniecki, Cajanek, Mayers, Sillinger, Sejna, Weight and Tkachuk are all capable of increasing their point totals(in Mayers, Boguniecki, Sejna, Sillinger and Cajaneks case doubling(or better) those figures is completely possible). If we do things right the Blues could have a 3rd line made up of 20 goal players. In addition, Backman, Salvador, Jackman and Weinrich are all capable of providing more offense than they did last season.


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Keep in mind that these would be post rollback dollars so 7 million would be his previous 9.5 million, and the 5.5 million i suggest would be the equivalent of 7.3 million in the old system. I'm not sure he'd sign for that, but I doubt any team signs any UFA in a cap system for 7 million dollars. Even Forsberg, one of the highest paid players in the NHL says he'll take a pay cut. I could see a bonus-laden contract for Pronger, say a base of 5.5 and million dollar bonuses for winning the Norris or Hart Trophies or the team winning the Stanley Cup. As Pronger is a perennial Norris contender, I could see him accepting such a deal.
And I don't. Even using your reasoning(which BTW, I was), Pronger would have been taking a 30+% paycut(he signed a QO plus a signing bonus putting his salary at 10 mil, not 9.5). I simply don't see that happening. As you said, Prong's is still a pernial Norris contender. That means he is still very much on top of his game. It is unrealistic to expect the best D man in the league to take a 30% paycut while he's still in his prime. The best you would get IMO is the equivilent of an 8.5-10 mil contract(meaning 6.5-7.5 mil base), and again, Pronger would be "cutting you a deal" for anything under that 7 mil mark(and yes, he is worth every bit of that contract). With Pronger, I don't see it happening. If it did it would be under the premise of a "Hometown discount" and Pronger has already stated that he considers St. Louis to be his hometown.

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