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Was Messier (6 Cups) the Greatest Oiler v. #99?

View Poll Results: Is Messier the Greatest Oiler?
Yes of course Messier was THE Leader, 5 cups dont lie! 10 13.51%
No, it was 99. 64 86.49%
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05-06-2005, 09:53 PM
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I said 99 is the second best offensive player of his generation. He's not the best player ever. Not even close. That would be another player you never saw - from boston.
You're gonna make me wet my pants man. Stop it.

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05-06-2005, 10:01 PM
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I said 99 is the second best offensive player of his generation. He's not the best player ever. Not even close. That would be another player you never saw - from boston.
With a comment like that I must have walked into amature night at the improv

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05-07-2005, 02:34 AM
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I said 99 is the second best offensive player of his generation. He's not the best player ever. Not even close. That would be another player you never saw - from boston.
Thanks for your opinion.. but 90% of the hockey world would dispute it anyway...

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05-07-2005, 06:39 AM
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I said 99 is the second best offensive player of his generation. He's not the best player ever. Not even close. That would be another player you never saw - from boston.
Adam Oates? Ray Bourque? Cam Neely?

Can't be Orr. The two were never in the league together at the same time. Orr's last game in Boston was in 1976 when Wayne was 15 years old. Orr retired from the Blackhawks when Wayne was still in the WHL.

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Adam Oates? Ray Bourque? Cam Neely?

Can't be Orr. The two were never in the league together at the same time. Orr's last game in Boston was in 1976 when Wayne was 15 years old. Orr retired from the Blackhawks when Wayne was still in the WHL.
He said the best player ever was from Boston. (Orr) The player who I think he's refering to as better then Wayne in his generation is Mario.

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05-08-2005, 09:00 AM
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He said the best player ever was from Boston. (Orr) The player who I think he's refering to as better then Wayne in his generation is Mario.
Kovy, youre on the ball as usual.

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05-08-2005, 04:52 PM
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Kovy, youre on the ball as usual.

Nice to see some love flowing in the history forum....

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05-09-2005, 09:08 PM
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I see 10 or 11 % of those on this site are objective about the Oiler days. Thats about right. Top 10%.

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05-10-2005, 03:57 AM
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I see 10 or 11 % of those on this site are objective about the Oiler days. Thats about right. Top 10%.
Well, you hate Wayne Gretzky 100%...

I mean is this whast it's come to? Dozens of reputable posters who watched the Oilers of the 80s regularily are all now not objective because their opinion differs from your bias views?

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05-10-2005, 04:03 AM
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The Moose was the heart and soul of the Oilers, he was the hometown boy that people could cheer for.

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I didnt read your post initially however;
messier was a very good player for a long time.
Greztky was the greatest player for 15 straight yrs
Messier was lucky if he was top 5

Greatest Oiler ever = Gretzky

The oilers were the team they were because they had that great offensive squad of players which relied upon the perpetual scoring line that had kurri and gretzky on it!



They couldnt afford Gretzxky he was the bets player in the game

Edmonton saw a 27 yr old Gretzky as a aging commodity

Messier wasa cheaper replacement as the # 1 center plus he was a good talent at least half as good as gretzky.

A trade for Gretzky would bring in younger or cheaper players etc Jimmy Carson, Martin Gelinas, Los Angeles' 1st round choices in 1989 (later traded to New Jersey - New Jersey selected Jason Miller), 1991 (Martin Rucinsky) and 1993 (Nick Stajduhar)
The year Messier had to go at it alone without Gretz, Mark had his career year and won the oilers a stanley cup. People always confuse things up, Mark was an aggressive player with skill, Gretzky was the pansy with skill, Mark was the guy that would go into the corners and get things done for the team and Gretz would make sure no one could outscore them night in and night out.

I guess i'll to take back what i said and say BOTH are equally the greatest oilers ever.

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05-10-2005, 06:26 AM
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The year Messier had to go at it alone without Gretz, Mark had his career year and won the oilers a stanley cup. People always confuse things up, Mark was an aggressive player with skill, Gretzky was the pansy with skill, Mark was the guy that would go into the corners and get things done for the team and Gretz would make sure no one could outscore them night in and night out.

I guess i'll to take back what i said and say BOTH are equally the greatest oilers ever.
The first year after the trade, the Kings beat the Oilers in round one,

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I didnt read your post initially however;
messier was a very good player for a long time.
Greztky was the greatest player for 15 straight yrs
Messier was lucky if he was top 5

Greatest Oiler ever = Gretzky

The oilers were the team they were because they had that great offensive squad of players which relied upon the perpetual scoring line that had kurri and gretzky on it!



They couldnt afford Gretzxky he was the bets player in the game

Edmonton saw a 27 yr old Gretzky as a aging commodity

Messier wasa cheaper replacement as the # 1 center plus he was a good talent at least half as good as gretzky.

A trade for Gretzky would bring in younger or cheaper players etc Jimmy Carson, Martin Gelinas, Los Angeles' 1st round choices in 1989 (later traded to New Jersey - New Jersey selected Jason Miller), 1991 (Martin Rucinsky) and 1993 (Nick Stajduhar)
Actually, at that point the Oilers could afford him. The owner, Peter Pocklington, needed cash to bail out his other failing businesses and Gretzky was just an asset he could sell at his peak of value.

Pocklington's first offer went like this: "The deal has to included $15 million USD. And throw in some players"

Pocklington needed the money to bail out his meat packing plant. The trade had nothing to do with aging commodities or getting fair value in exchange. It was a cash grab for Pocklington and the players were thrown in to make it look like a trade.

To this day, Pocklington's life is in danger if he ever sets foot in Edmonton.

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05-16-2005, 11:21 AM
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And that could be what compared to a montage of Gretzkys greatest plays? I mean come on Matt Cooke and Daniel Sedin have also had some nice goals, and nice plays. Does that make them in the same stratosphere as Gretzky or Lemieux?
I'd just like to take this opportunity to state the obvious and say that neither Sedin nor Cooke are even in gretzky's reality.

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Gretz would make sure no one could outscore them night in and night out.

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Heck Wayne was the best .. Period...

But to say Messier was a better leader?? No way...

Gretzky showed it on the ICE where it counts...

I would go as far to say that Steve Y is a better leader than Mark M...

not to take anything away from the Moose...

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05-16-2005, 09:13 PM
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The Moose was the heart and soul of the Oilers, he was the hometown boy that people could cheer for.
I agree - Robin Bawa and Malhotra were good too.

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05-17-2005, 12:05 AM
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Anyone who knows the Oilers knows that the fifth cup belongs to Bill Ranford, not Mark Messier.

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1. Gretzky
1A. Messier
2. Tikkanen
2A. Kurri
3. Fuhr

IMO.
What, no love for Kevin Lowe?? Mr. Oiler himself?? He was an integral part of ALL five Cups won by the Oil. My rankings would look like this:

1. Gretzky
1A. Kurri
2. Messier
3. Lowe
4. Tikkanen
5. Anderson

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