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11-02-2010, 12:29 PM
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I was really impressed with the production value of that first episode - some pretty good SFX and makeup, and there were definitely some well done scenes (hospital stairs, guy trying to shoot his zombie wife, etc..). Every time I saw the bicycle zombie girl I was trying to figure out how they did it too - like was it anamatronic on the wide angles and a someone half buried for in close? Or was it actually someone with no legs!!! It was pretty creepy

At least now I have another show to watch while I'm waiting for my weekly Sons of Anarchy fix.

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I was really impressed with the production value of that first episode - some pretty good SFX and makeup, and there were definitely some well done scenes (hospital stairs, guy trying to shoot his zombie wife, etc..). Every time I saw the bicycle zombie girl I was trying to figure out how they did it too - like was it anamatronic on the wide angles and a someone half buried for in close? Or was it actually someone with no legs!!! It was pretty creepy

At least now I have another show to watch while I'm waiting for my weekly Sons of Anarchy fix.

On AMC's site there's a video about them doing the "bicycle zombie girl" makeup.

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How do Zombies handle the cold? They always seem to be in warm climes or it is summer or some such thing. If they dont like the cold why not head up north?
I think with the Zombies since their dead, they don't have any specificity for either cold or warmth, but rather their specificity for mobility.

Think about it, is it easier, as a Zombie, to walk through 4-5 inches of snow in say Edmonton in December, or walk freely in California in the sun?

I always wondered which senses Zombies actually have thats active? Like they have hearing and touch. But what else?

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I think with the Zombies since their dead, they don't have any specificity for either cold or warmth, but rather their specificity for mobility.

Think about it, is it easier, as a Zombie, to walk through 4-5 inches of snow in say Edmonton in December, or walk freely in California in the sun?

I always wondered which senses Zombies actually have thats active? Like they have hearing and touch. But what else?
I think they can smell us for a snack as well!

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I think with the Zombies since their dead, they don't have any specificity for either cold or warmth, but rather their specificity for mobility.

Think about it, is it easier, as a Zombie, to walk through 4-5 inches of snow in say Edmonton in December, or walk freely in California in the sun?

I always wondered which senses Zombies actually have thats active? Like they have hearing and touch. But what else?
I don't know, but in Shaun of the Dead, when you walked and moaned like a zombie, they didn't notice.

Me thinks a zombie would be pretty damn stupid to fall for that. Mind you its only one movie.

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The sleeping zombie concept was interesting.

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I honestly found the pilot rather boring and the characters pretty bland at this point. The part with the partners in the car having lunch at the beginning made me feel dirty. I've never had a conversation like that with one of my friends. I almost expected porn music to start and for them to start pulling off each other's clothes.

I'm hoping for more. I like how it opens with our hero blowing the brains out of a zombie little girl. A nice touch but poorly done by Frank Darabont. One of his issues is that he likes to take too much time to get us familiar with our surroundings. We're in the information age! We get things quicker. We don't need them dragged out for us ala Sergio Leone.

Honestly, other than THE SHAWSHANK REDEMPTION - which was brilliant - I haven't been overly impressed with Darabont's work. I hope that THE WALKING DEAD grows on me. I remember not liking BREAKING BAD much in the first year but the last two years have gripped me.

There. I said my piece.

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One of his issues is that he likes to take too much time to get us familiar with our surroundings. We're in the information age! We get things quicker. We don't need them dragged out for us ala Sergio Leone.

Honestly, other than THE SHAWSHANK REDEMPTION - which was brilliant - I haven't been overly impressed with Darabont's work. I hope that THE WALKING DEAD grows on me. I remember not liking BREAKING BAD much in the first year but the last two years have gripped me.
Yeah a part of our society I do not care for sometimes. Especially when it bleeds over into things like art or cinema etc... Feels kind of sad to use that as a criticism.

I love with subjects like this when they really take their time with it. It really drives home the hopeless suffocating atmosphere. To be honest it could have even moved a tad slower and I would have been happy with that. Such as spending more time Morgan (loved this actor in Jericho as well) and his son. This slow moving build up of atmosphere and suffocating emotion is part of what made me love Dawn Of The Dead (70s one) in the first place.

Funny you mention Shawshank Redemption as so good. Which it is, an awesome movie. But how slow moving is that plot? Part of what made it good but that does not fit into the everything has to be instant because I am endlessly impatient and need everything fed to me at a million miles an hour take on things.

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Yeah a part of our society I do not care for sometimes. Especially when it bleeds over into things like art or cinema etc... Feels kind of sad to use that as a criticism.

I love with subjects like this when they really take their time with it. It really drives home the hopeless suffocating atmosphere. To be honest it could have even moved a tad slower and I would have been happy with that. Such as spending more time Morgan (loved this actor in Jericho as well) and his son. This slow moving build up of atmosphere and suffocating emotion is part of what made me love Dawn Of The Dead (70s one) in the first place.

Funny you mention Shawshank Redemption as so good. Which it is, an awesome movie. But how slow moving is that plot? Part of what made it good but that does not fit into the everything has to be instant because I am endlessly impatient and need everything fed to me at a million miles an hour take on things.
Agreed here. I like slow moving plot development. Not because I need more time to "get it" but that it creates more atmosphere and I prefer to feel it. Soak it in. Takes us more to the place. I like as well that they didn't fill us with meaningless details of the personal lives. But enough for the plot to make sense.
So in short the long takes exploring the surrounds and lay of the land is what makes it interesting imo. The first person shoot em up thing gets old fast and something I can see anywhere.

I would've preferred for there not to be zombies in the hospital and bodies all around the hospital and a bit more time spent before the protagonist starts figuring it out and being exposed more gradually to the riddle of what is going on. That could have been more fascinating.

One thing I was curious about as far as plot was the protagonist had already seen weird crawling corpse bicycle girl by the time he met the son and his father. Why at that point was he so incredulous about the story? The zombies. One would think some details might have been filled in by then for him.

But then again perhaps in the walking dead world zombie movies never existed..

I'm sure theres an interesting chicken or egg byline there somewhere.

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Ha ha... I've come to realize that even though I'm in my 30's I've been won over by the text messaging tween generation. I remember when I was in film school years ago I loved Kubrick, Leone and Coppola the most.

It sounds like I need to take a breather. Slow down. Buy a cabin and spend more weekends in the woods getting in touch with nature. Oh, and put the iPhone away. And wikipedia. And twitter. And ******. And 4chan.

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I'm interested in seeing the story unfold from the zombie's point of view. Can any of our friends from Calgary help me out with this perspective?

Several years ago someone did a show like that... zombies, not just brain dead automatons... zombies are looking for something beyond human flesh, they're just misunderstood and suffering from a little dementia, and well, there dead. Calgarians do need to keep up the search for brains however.

I love the zombie genre, I can't get enough... the new western. Why don't zombies ever attack a bus load of pre-schoolers? Slow, not that much ingenuity, and most likely more tasty than sinewy adults. Always lots of child zombies to freak you out, but you rarely see a child get attacked by zombies. Zombie politics.

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One of the things thats interested me is post apocalyptic depictions of a future world. Just the world after a cataclysm. Not with the invocation of zombies, plagues, terminator war machines, road warriors, end or world weather, etc.
Although I suspect road warriors might be the closest to representing a possible transitory phase of a life after.
Waterworld in a stranger way touched on it.

I think you mentioned that the graphic novel Walking Dead is based on went into these areas. I am curious though given that why the need to invoke zombies at all? Could the book have foregone that and replaced with some other less distracting variable. or would that ruin it?

A little philososphical here but myself I think in a post apocalyptic world the zombies symbolically really are all of us. Fighting for survival given limited means and sustenance. The zombies seem to actually detract from this potential study of the darker side of human nature and darwinistic survival unfolded..

How about that Eberle eh?
have you seen the movie the road with viggo mortensen. its an end of the world movie but you never know what causes it and there are no robots, mutants, zombies etc. its a gloom movie though

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Agreed here. I like slow moving plot development. Not because I need more time to "get it" but that it creates more atmosphere and I prefer to feel it. Soak it in. Takes us more to the place. I like as well that they didn't fill us with meaningless details of the personal lives. But enough for the plot to make sense.
So in short the long takes exploring the surrounds and lay of the land is what makes it interesting imo. The first person shoot em up thing gets old fast and something I can see anywhere.

I would've preferred for there not to be zombies in the hospital and bodies all around the hospital and a bit more time spent before the protagonist starts figuring it out and being exposed more gradually to the riddle of what is going on. That could have been more fascinating.

One thing I was curious about as far as plot was the protagonist had already seen weird crawling corpse bicycle girl by the time he met the son and his father. Why at that point was he so incredulous about the story? The zombies. One would think some details might have been filled in by then for him.

But then again perhaps in the walking dead world zombie movies never existed..

I'm sure theres an interesting chicken or egg byline there somewhere.
That's an ongoing development in the genre as a whole. I mean sooner or later someone has to see the first tell tale signs of the dead walking and say, damnnn, zombies...

The first person perspective worked in 'Quarantine.' Difficult to suspend the rules of disbelief in the first person, but that closing scene was creeeeepy. Jennifer Carpenter is the cool.

I wonder if 'The Walking Dead' was meant to go head to head with 'Dexter'? If so, tall order.

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have you seen the movie the road with viggo mortensen. its an end of the world movie but you never know what causes it and there are no robots, mutants, zombies etc. its a gloom movie though
Just watched that movie about a month ago. It was really good. Duvall had a good cameo as the old man for sure.

The movie didn't have 'robots, mutants or zombies,' but it was based on a post apocalyptic terror of fleeing from cannibalism.

The beauty of any good zombie movie is that you can, at some point, take the zombie out of the picture altogether, and replace that factor with human fanaticism or any other human weakness. That's what makes the movies compelling in my opinion. It's a statement on society.

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Thanks for all the recommendations.

I'll have to check some of this stuff out.. Sounds like I'll like "The Road" quite a lot. I'm debating..movie, then book, or book, then movie

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The Zombie thing done right though, hasn't been done at all recently. This is well on it's way to being the first screen adaption of well done zombie mythology in a long time.

That's a shame too, there have been some very books and that that have been released in the last few years.

The Max Brook Books (World War Z and How to Survive a Zombie Apocolypse)
The Walking Dead Series
Pride and Prejudice and Zombies (especially if you were forced to read it in school)
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have you seen the movie the road with viggo mortensen. its an end of the world movie but you never know what causes it and there are no robots, mutants, zombies etc. its a gloom movie though

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A little off topic, but I sure do hope that Rob Zombie makes a Zombie film....that would be absolutely spectacular IMO!!!

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A little off topic, but I sure do hope that Rob Zombie makes a Zombie film....that would be absolutely spectacular IMO!!!
There were zombie-like horrible things wandering around in Dr. Satans underground lair..

Some great zombies greatest hits playing in House of a thousand corpses as well. For instance when they lower the girls into the well you can just FEEL zombie presence oozing out of the ground before they appear..

I love how campy that movie is.

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I'm interested in seeing the story unfold from the zombie's point of view.
This just reminded me of that TV show from a couple years ago "Fear Itself", that was filmed in Edmonton. The show was pretty underwhelming as a whole, but there was a really good zombie episode that was taken from the zombie's point of view. Of course, you don't know she's a zombie until the end (sorry for the spoiler for those of you who had it on your DVR for the past 2 years and were planning on watching it), so it's not exactly intended as a "zombies point of view" episode, but it was cool none the less.

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There were zombie-like horrible things wandering around in Dr. Satans underground lair..

Some great zombies greatest hits playing in House of a thousand corpses as well. For instance when they lower the girls into the well you can just FEEL zombie presence oozing out of the ground before they appear..

I love how campy that movie is.
Ya, I'm a big fan and have seen House of 1000 corpses, the Devils Rejects and all of his other movies MANY times. He brings that 70's campiness to a whole new level IMO. Although House of included zombies, I want the zombies to be the main theme. Can you imagine some of Rob Zombies characters being stuck together in a Mall or something!!

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Contains spoilers, screw off if you haven't watched the episode..;)

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That's an ongoing development in the genre as a whole. I mean sooner or later someone has to see the first tell tale signs of the dead walking and say, damnnn, zombies...
Yep, thats exactly what I was getting at. Somebody should do some camp on it and have the guy thumbing through a Frommers Zombie guide or Zombies for Dummies..

Hey guy, RUN!!! Its a friggen zombie!!! I know if I ever see half a skeleton with entrails hanging out of it crawling towards me I'm not sticking around for conversation or asking it when the next bus is coming..
The funniest part is riding into town on the horse and going blind gallop around a hidden corner and landing smack dab in the middle of the Macey's Thanksgiving Zombie parade..yeah thats bright..

I wonder how many calls they got from PETA on the ensuing depiction..

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I'm interested in seeing the story unfold from the zombie's point of view. Can any of our friends from Calgary help me out with this perspective?

Several years ago someone did a show like that... zombies, not just brain dead automatons... zombies are looking for something beyond human flesh, they're just misunderstood and suffering from a little dementia, and well, there dead. Calgarians do need to keep up the search for brains however.
Heh the Calgary zombification continues..

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I'll have to check some of this stuff out.. Sounds like I'll like "The Road" quite a lot. I'm debating..movie, then book, or book, then movie
I didn't watch the movie, but I stopped reading the book after the first chapter because I found it really annoying to read. The author often didn't use quotation marks when characters were speaking (but sometimes he did), and I found that really irritating. Plus, I bought the book in an airport in the middle of a long travel day, and was pretty tired. Maybe I would've dealt with that on another day, but I had another book with me that didn't require I read paragraphs twice. Then, I found out a couple months later that they were making a movie, and never picked up the book again.

Still haven't seen the movie though, but I want to.

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A little off topic, but I sure do hope that Rob Zombie makes a Zombie film....that would be absolutely spectacular IMO!!!
You read my mind, been thinking about that for a long time! Rob Zombie has made some real stinkers, the remakes being the stinkers IMO, but I loved 'House of 1000 Corpses' and 'The Devil's Rejects.' He needs to do zombie films, and at least take one shot at a remake of 'The Texas Chainsaw Massacre.' That's one remake he should try... I guess that's what 1000 corpses & Devil's Rejects were when I think about it (without the chainsaw & cannibalism, pretty big omissions )... Zombie has so much potential as a director... developing characters and dialogue should be his next step. Take on a project that isn't exclusively horror. You know it will have a good soundtrack.

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A little off topic, but I sure do hope that Rob Zombie makes a Zombie film....that would be absolutely spectacular IMO!!!
I dont

I liked Devils Rejects and thought House of a 1000 corpses/Halloween remake were ok

But Zombie's white trash and constant foul mouth scripts would create a poor zombie movie

Speaking of quality zombies

-Loved this when I was a kid-



--- Warning fake gore ---

Growing up I was big fan of Troma films and the 80's was just the finest time for horror/scifi films

Really was a golden age

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This just reminded me of that TV show from a couple years ago "Fear Itself", that was filmed in Edmonton. The show was pretty underwhelming as a whole, but there was a really good zombie episode that was taken from the zombie's point of view. Of course, you don't know she's a zombie until the end (sorry for the spoiler for those of you who had it on your DVR for the past 2 years and were planning on watching it), so it's not exactly intended as a "zombies point of view" episode, but it was cool none the less.
Yeah, that's it. Funny, I still have that entire series on a hard drive, and have never gotten around to watching all the episodes. There were some good ones, just opened the folder, 8 episodes but I doubt I even watched 4 or 5 of them.

Been reading all the old Dune series, actually listening to the audio books. That's some weird stuff, and hard to follow. Some contiversial stuff to say the least. Google 'complete Dune' or 'Brian Herbert & Kevin J. Anderson', and you'll find them easily. If you have a torrent client, 2.80 GB and a tone of seeders. One of TPB top audio books...

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Yep, thats exactly what I was getting at. Somebody should do some camp on it and have the guy thumbing through a Frommers Zombie guide or Zombies for Dummies..

Hey guy, RUN!!! Its a friggen zombie!!! I know if I ever see half a skeleton with entrails hanging out of it crawling towards me I'm not sticking around for conversation or asking it when the next bus is coming..
The funniest part is riding into town on the horse and going blind gallop around a hidden corner and landing smack dab in the middle of the Macey's Thanksgiving Zombie parade..yeah thats bright..

I wonder how many calls they got from PETA on the ensuing depiction..

Heh the Calgary zombification continues..
Check out 'Shaun of the Dead (2004).' Classic.


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