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11-02-2010, 07:22 PM
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"The worlds most Toxic arena"
So whats the scoop on this asbestos guy? Can he center the first line?

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Gotta love when people talk about something they have no clue about.

ie. Knocking down the building b/c it has asbestos ... I guess we should demo 95% of NYC then

As for asbestos removal being a "major" process that should require the building to be shut down. Very untrue. When I worked in construction, we were doing renovations on the NYC public schools and they would do asbestos abatement in sections of the school @ night & school would be up and running as usual the next day.

Like others have said, the word asbestos scares the **** out of people. People that worked in severely dusty areas 25+ years ago are having health issues b/c of it now. But, if you breath in a few asbestos particles you aren't going to keel over & die.

Up until the mid 90s asbestos was still being used in brake pads in cars. Guess what that means every time you see a 1985 Crown Vic pull up next to you at a traffic light

Asbestos doesn't = anthrax

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Watch lawsuits come up from this...

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Please. Asbestos is very hard to get cancer from. You have to inhale, at length, of airborne particles.

Obviously asbestos falling from that height would create a cloud on impact, but after it is abated/disposed of there will be no further issues.

Cancelling a game because of this? My god, what a nanny state.

Check that, what a legalistic state of affairs. If a fan or player saw the asbestos it would probably be millions in lawsuits. "An abundance of caution". Hah.
Wrong. A limited exposure can cause an asbestos related injury, and can in fact cause mesothelioma.

To disparage the victims of asbestos poisoning is both cold and ridiculous. These were men who simply went to work and were rewarded with debilitating injuries, and in extreme cases, death.

Oh and don't forget the wives who simply washed their husband's clothing and were killed as a result.

And yes, the asbestos manufacturers knew that their "miracle mineral" was capable of all this. They knew going back into the early 1900's, in fact.

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11-02-2010, 07:59 PM
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Can asbestos kill off the bed bugs infestation?

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Wrong. A limited exposure can cause an asbestos related injury, and can in fact cause mesothelioma.
This is correct, but also very unlikely. The overwhelming majority of those w/ mesothelioma worked closely w/ asbestos over prolonged periods of time

On a side note, on 9/11 when the WTC collapsed it's believed that over 1,000 tons of asbestos was released into the air. This is believed to be one of the main reasons for so many cancer cases amongst emergency workers

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This is correct, but also very unlikely. The overwhelming majority of those w/ mesothelioma worked closely w/ asbestos over prolonged periods of time

On a side note, on 9/11 when the WTC collapsed it's believed that over 1,000 tons of asbestos was released into the air. This is believed to be one of the main reasons for so many cancer cases amongst emergency workers
Unlikely, yes. Plausible and happening? Also yes. Mesothelioma is dose opportunity, not dose duration related. Essentially if you're exposed to asbestos dust, fiber or particles for one minute every day for ten years you are just as likely, if not more likely, to develop meso than someone who has had a small number of prolonged exposures.

And yes, asbestos is also causally related to various throat, GI and of course lung cancers.

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Pretty sure this puts into question the Ranger game on Wednesday...
There is no game on wed.

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As a final note, there are certainly many, many (MANY) reasons to call American society over litigious. However, asbestos litigation is not one of these reasons.

Victims of asbestos poisoning have been knowingly and willing injured by manufacturers, distributors, employers and any number of other deep pocketed parties. Those injured are justified in their pursuit of restitution.

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11-02-2010, 08:39 PM
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Yeah, Wade Redden vs. MSG. They cost him Millions of dollars on his next contract. That's the reason he has played so bad since he got here.

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Unlikely, yes. Plausible and happening? Also yes. Mesothelioma is dose opportunity, not dose duration related. Essentially if you're exposed to asbestos dust, fiber or particles for one minute every day for ten years you are just as likely, if not more likely, to develop meso than someone who has had a small number of prolonged exposures.

And yes, asbestos is also causally related to various throat, GI and of course lung cancers.
Uh, I think people took what you said to mean that any exposure, even a one time exposure, could give you cancer, which is exceedingly, exceedingly unlikely.

Yes, consistent exposure to significant levels of asbestos particles (I say significant because there are traces of asbestos in the air in general no matter what), whether it's small amounts over a long period of time, or significant amounts over shorter periods of time (thinking of the WTC workers here) are bad.

One time exposure isn't really going to do anything to you

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Yeah, Wade Redden vs. MSG. They cost him Millions of dollars on his next contract. That's the reason he has played so bad since he got here.
It's his fault he was not playing asbestos he could.

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Uh, I think people took what you said to mean that any exposure, even a one time exposure, could give you cancer, which is exceedingly, exceedingly unlikely.

Yes, consistent exposure to significant levels of asbestos particles (I say significant because there are traces of asbestos in the air in general no matter what), whether it's small amounts over a long period of time, or significant amounts over shorter periods of time (thinking of the WTC workers here) are bad.

One time exposure isn't really going to do anything to you
In the overwhelming majority of cases, a one time exposure will not harm you. That does not, however, mean that NO cases of an injury from a one time exposure exist. They do in fact exist.

I don't think anybody is alleging that an injury could arise from today's scenario, but if there is asbestos involved there should be a thorough abatement. Believe me. The Dolans can afford it.

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It's his fault he was not playing asbestos he could.

Sorry, couldn't resist....
lol That was pretty good.

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Wrong. A limited exposure can cause an asbestos related injury, and can in fact cause mesothelioma.

To disparage the victims of asbestos poisoning is both cold and ridiculous. These were men who simply went to work and were rewarded with debilitating injuries, and in extreme cases, death.

Oh and don't forget the wives who simply washed their husband's clothing and were killed as a result.

And yes, the asbestos manufacturers knew that their "miracle mineral" was capable of all this. They knew going back into the early 1900's, in fact.
Sorry for what I take to be your relatives/friends condition/loss but as I said, and you have seen others say, it much more often than not takes a good deal of exposure over a long period of time to develop the disease.

Working in a construction related field I see a lot of useless, litigious nonsense going on over minor, non-airborne amounts of asbestos. The expense to abate is astronomical - to the person who worked school jobs I can agree - the cost is somewhere around 15% per project. A huge cost to society running into the tens if not hundreds of millions in each capital plan.

The CDC estimates 2,700 deaths per year related to Asbestosis. It also estimates 112,000 deaths per year related to obesity. It seems a pretty minor number compared to many causes of death, actually. Sorry.

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11-03-2010, 05:07 AM
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According to Steve Zipay everything checked out okay, and it was just a false alarm. THere was no asbestos found in the dust that fell to the ice. The home game for the Rangers on Sun. should be playable.

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Sorry for what I take to be your relatives/friends condition/loss but as I said, and you have seen others say, it much more often than not takes a good deal of exposure over a long period of time to develop the disease.

Working in a construction related field I see a lot of useless, litigious nonsense going on over minor, non-airborne amounts of asbestos. The expense to abate is astronomical - to the person who worked school jobs I can agree - the cost is somewhere around 15% per project. A huge cost to society running into the tens if not hundreds of millions in each capital plan.

The CDC estimates 2,700 deaths per year related to Asbestosis. It also estimates 112,000 deaths per year related to obesity. It seems a pretty minor number compared to many causes of death, actually. Sorry.
I have no emotional interest in the subject, other than the fact that it's a horrible injustice that's been committed against thousands upon thousands of hard working Americans who simply went to work.

The death toll certainly may not be a blip on the radar compared to many of society's other ills, but the manner in which asbestos related companies operated for some sixty years is simply sickening. McDonald's may be a horrible company for what they've done to America, no argument here, but at least it's been somewhat common knowledge that eating a Big Mac every day probably isn't good for you. Go ahead and read up on some companies like GAF, Johns-Manville and Owens Corning (the list could go on). Those companies knew for decades that they were killing and disabling their customers. What did they do about it? That's right. Nothing.

Oh and don't cry for Johns-Manville or some of the other big asbestos manufacturers. Go check out their corporate portfolio. They're still making big time bucks. Guess what a mesothelioma death gets from Johns-Manville through their bankruptcy trust. A paltry $26,250. Hardly seems like a lot of money when compared to the pain and suffering they knowingly and willing caused to their consumers.

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...don't cry for Johns-Manville or some of the other big asbestos manufacturers. Go check out their corporate portfolio. They're still making big time bucks.
No argument there. Glad you and your family are not affected by this.

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This really struck a nerve with me. My dad suffered from Asbestosis (which did not progress Mesothelioma) for the last 25 years of his life. I have one of his final chest X-Rays--the damage is obvious. He was a shipyard worker who was exposed to Asbestos for several years for 8 hours a day. He died almost exactly 7 years ago. He shared the following thoughts with me (please keep in mind they are my late father's opinions) during his life.

The tobacco companies had better lawyers. They were at least as much to blame for damage than the asbestos manufacturers. According to his respiratory specialist, there is an extremely big correlation among mesothelioma and asbestos exposure and smoking (If I understand This Link its a factor of 7 or 8 higher than smoking and asbestos added together). The tobacco companies just had better lawyers. My dad was convince that he didn't get Mesothelioma becuase he stopped smoking about the same time he was exposed to asbestos.

The lawyers got about 40% of all the settlements.


It sucks having to constantly think about exhaling. The last few months before he went into the hospital he had to do this. Spent the last few months of his life on a respirator.

A lot of money was wasted doing remediation, when all that needed to be done was to just seal it up and leave the stuff the hell alone.

My apologies for the emotional rant.


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Umm asbestos exposure, even on a small scale = not good for your health


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Sorry for what I take to be your relatives/friends condition/loss but as I said, and you have seen others say, it much more often than not takes a good deal of exposure over a long period of time to develop the disease.

Working in a construction related field I see a lot of useless, litigious nonsense going on over minor, non-airborne amounts of asbestos. The expense to abate is astronomical - to the person who worked school jobs I can agree - the cost is somewhere around 15% per project. A huge cost to society running into the tens if not hundreds of millions in each capital plan.

The CDC estimates 2,700 deaths per year related to Asbestosis. It also estimates 112,000 deaths per year related to obesity. It seems a pretty minor number compared to many causes of death, actually. Sorry.
Obesity is something that can be avoided in most cases. How many people knowingly subject themselves to Asbestos exposure? The total deaths per year may not be huge, but turn it into a percentage of deaths to exposure and see if it looks worse. I bet it does.

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They've known that asbestos screws with your lungs since Ancient times. Amazing what all of these manufactures did/do for money.

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Just saw on ESPN that MSG is gonna be open on friday for the Knicks game, so we're good for the Ranger game on Sunday.

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