Heard him interviewed on The Team 990 this morning. Basically he said if he's given a chance or oppurtunity to be an impact player on the Habs he'd rather just play a top 2 role in Hamilton all year. He's not completely FOR playing in Hamilton all year because if he gets a good role on the Habs(Ex:play with Gionta and Gomez as which he stated) then he'd be more than happy to be brought up to the Habs this season. He mentioned he doesnt believe something like that like that will ever happen and feels that he was able to get his chance and improve under Carbo, but doesnt expect it to be like that with Martin.
He never said that. He said that it was like that last year.
Wow! After hearing this interview I think we will need to closely eller's situation. We cannot make the same mistakes we made with max PAC and latendresse!
I'm thinking that they are putting words in his mouth.
I was paraphrasing his interview. I think his interview is up on team990. Marniaro didn't "trick" him into saying it,
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Wow! After hearing this interview I think we will need to closely eller's situation. We cannot make the same mistakes we made with max PAC and latendresse!
He prefers the current coaches in Hamilton as opposed to Boucher because they give him more freedom and it allows him to learn from his own mistakes. He feels like he is really developping his game right now because they coaches show confidence in him.
Rough week for Guy Boucher! Roy and now Pacioretty!
Well, that is how Martin chooses to handle young players (I don't agree with it).
MaxPac seems to be the forgotten prospect around here... he was brought to the NHL far too soon IMO and even then, he didn't look completely out of place. Him being in Hamilton is what is best for him right now.
I think he's got the stuff to be a decent 2nd line winger or at the very least, a very good 3rd line winger in the NHL.
I've been a MaxPac basher for the past 2 years or whatever. But ever since this summer I've become a believer. Why? Not cuz of anything he's done on the ice because he hasn't done anything on the ice at the NHL of being worthy.
But his attitude is right where it needs to be. He was drafted in the first round for a reason. Talent. But that talent could never translate to anything useful at the NHL level for the past 2 years for a bunch of reason.
But after listening to him in the summer, you understand what he has gone though. You understand how he has grown as a person, what he had to struggle through last year as a person, through his injuries.
It was those struggles that made him the man he is today. It is those struggles that made him realize, what he needs to do to succeed.
I FINALLY SEE MAXPAC ON A PATH WHERE HE CAN SUCCEED. I think we finally made the right move and he won't be a Lats or a Pouliot. He's gonna take his time and he's gonna value even so much more what it means to be in the NHL. Next year, he's gonna be hungry and want it so bad.
And that is what you want on your team. Players that are hungry to suceed. That is what winning teams are built of imo.
Martin doesn't know how to handle the kids. He's a career coach and wants to win, he wants guys that are gonna be ready to go when he puts them on the ice. He seems like the kind of guy that has zero patience. I guess that is why he gravitates around guys like Pyatt more because even though he puts him in the stands sometime, Pyatt may not be the most talented but even if he'a young, he knows what to do and go all out. He almost acts like a young vet. While more talented ones like Eller and Pouliot needs more grooming.
You should be ready to play in the NHL when you are there. If not, get some AHL time.
MaxPac. Basically saying that it didn't help when JM would drop him to the 4th line after he made a mistake. He had no confidence last year because no one would live with his mistakes. Didn't agree that being demoted to a 4th line was the answer. Same sort of stuff that Latendresse said. He actually praised Carbo.
Well I always thought JM was good with younger players.
Is it just me or does JM put more effort into making Gautier look good and than getting the best team possible? For example, the Habs gave Price a million chances to prove himself and are now doing the same with Eller.
If Price succeeds Gautier looks good for putting his faith in Price. Now that Halak was traded for Eller, he has to turn out to be a good player. But if you look back a month, White was doing much better than Eller in the pre-season. Yet Eller is still playing and hasn't produced much yet there are players in Hamilton who could be taking his place.
Now I like Eller and if there wasn't anyone else in Hamilton to replace him for now, then I would be all for Eller playing and getting experience. But the Habs need a second line going and with guys like Desharnais, Pacioretty, Pelushaj and Maxwell are all producing in the AHL yet, no call-ups. So basically if Eller is sent down to work on his weaknesses, Gautier will look bad. I don't care if it takes a few season to get Eller to become a good player but some people expect Eller to replace Halak's presence. And those are the ones who will tear into Gautier for the trade.
I'm a bit scared that, as Marinaro (or was it the other guy?) stated this morning on Team990, Pacioretty just punched is ticket out of town with his comments. He's definitely not a fan of Martin but he shouldn't have said it.
I was a MaxPac enthusiast but I'm starting to believe he's not strong enough between the ears to succeed in Mtl. I mean it's the NHL Max. The coach might live with your mistakes if you produce offensively but you didn't. So he should have kept you in the Top6 while you make mistakes and don't produce? You have to make your way to the top of the lineup. Plekanec started on the fourth line and is now on the first and I think that's the way it's gonna be for Eller as well.
Anyway, I would love MaxPax to be a force with the habs in the near future but, as of today, I have trouble seeing it.
I like Maxpax, he's one of my favourite prospects. But he's being stupid. He is acting like the bottom 6 is useless, many great players started on the bottom 6. He has to understand that some coaches know better than him. He clearly thinks highly of the new coach and wasn't too big of a fan of Martin and Boucher's style. That's fine, but keep it to yourself kid.
He was not ready for the top 6, it's funny because many thought he was a favorite of Martin and that was the reason why he stayed with the big club for so long. I thought Martin was very patient with him.
for the love of god, please someone show me a list of the coaches in the NHL while coaching an NHL team that likes to play young players who are not ready for top 6 minutes on one of the top lines while he makes mistakes learning the role. No coach on this team will be allowed to continually put out a rookie in a top role while he continually fails.
the only time i see this happen is on a crap team. not on a team that is in the mix for a payoff berth or higher. And usually only with top prospects.
Mac pac is not one of these. and neither is eller. Thats why Eller and Subban played last year in the AHL and dominated.
Max was tried early in his career and not left there for the right reasons. The only reason he was tried was cause we lacked that type of player and couldn't acquire one. Same for Lats.
for the love of god, please someone show me a list of the coaches in the NHL while coaching an NHL team that likes to play young players who are not ready for top 6 minutes on one of the top lines while he makes mistakes learning the role. No coach on this team will be allowed to continually put out a rookie in a top role while he continually fails.
the only time i see this happen is on a crap team. not on a team that is in the mix for a payoff berth or higher. And usually only with top prospects.
Mac pac is not one of these. and neither is eller. Thats why Eller and Subban played last year in the AHL and dominated.
Max was tried early in his career and not left there for the right reasons. The only reason he was tried was cause we lacked that type of player and couldn't acquire one. Same for Lats.
Really? You dont see a lot of teams winning and getting a lot out of their youth? lets see, Pittsburgh built a team with prospects. Chicago just built a team with prospects. Detroit is amazing with kids. And now the Islanders and Edmonton are doing it. I am not saying that a kid jumps in and in one season becomes a god, but you DEVELOP them into players as you grow your team around them. Jacques can't do that. at least I see no signs of it and I see a lot of signs that he is actually bad with the prospects and heck Patches is describing exactly what I thought was happening.
With Sergie he was belittled and instead of learning from it he rebelled. Remember, people don't rebel unless there is something to rebel against.
Really? You dont see a lot of teams winning and getting a lot out of their youth? lets see, Pittsburgh built a team with prospects. Chicago just built a team with prospects. Detroit is amazing with kids. And now the Islanders and Edmonton are doing it. I am not saying that a kid jumps in and in one season becomes a god, but you DEVELOP them into players as you grow your team around them. Jacques can't do that. at least I see no signs of it and I see a lot of signs that he is actually bad with the prospects and heck Patches is describing exactly what I thought was happening.
With Sergie he was belittled and instead of learning from it he rebelled. Remember, people don't rebel unless there is something to rebel against.
JM has had a history of being hard on kids and limiting their potential!
do you think he dealt with Sergie properly? how about Patches? how about Eller? how about Gui?
and then he doesnt penalize spacek for his terrible play this year, or gomez and gionta for being nothing more than over paid 4th liners this year.
JM is an idiot! but oh I forgot he has so many Stanley Cup Rings
Seriously? Sergei? The guy has an awful attitude, even the players didn't like him. When Pleks calls out your attitude on the media you know you are an awful teammate.
Absolutely NO ONE, thought he was mishandled by Martin. In fact, the vast majority thought Martin was too patient with him.
Eller? The guy has barelyp layed 10 games.
Gui was/is absolutely lazy. The coach in Minny is not too pleased with the guy either.
He is tougher with rookies because he needs to be. The vets are more knowledgeable then rookies. Even then, Did he not bench Hammer? Did he not warn Spacek?
You do not have to like Martin, but to think he is an idiot? Oh the irony.
for the love of god, please someone show me a list of the coaches in the NHL while coaching an NHL team that likes to play young players who are not ready for top 6 minutes on one of the top lines while he makes mistakes learning the role. No coach on this team will be allowed to continually put out a rookie in a top role while he continually fails.
the only time i see this happen is on a crap team. not on a team that is in the mix for a payoff berth or higher. And usually only with top prospects.
Mac pac is not one of these. and neither is eller. Thats why Eller and Subban played last year in the AHL and dominated.
Max was tried early in his career and not left there for the right reasons. The only reason he was tried was cause we lacked that type of player and couldn't acquire one. Same for Lats.
They just don't understand. We are not a rebuilding team, we want to win while developing our youngsters. Edmonton are giving their rookies tons of minutes because they know they are not going anywhere this year.
I've always been and still am a Pacioretty supporter since his season in Michigan. Still think he needed more time in Hamilton 2 years ago but what is done is done and I think he's on the right path now.
I think its great that he sees his time in Hamilton as a development phase. And specially like the fact that he wants to dominate in the A for the whole season to be as ready as possible for the bigs.
Although when training camp starts next year, I hope he won't hold a grudge or take it personally if he starts the season on the third line. Because I don't see it as a lack of confidence in him from the coach.
Martin is a very conservative and old-school type of coach so I'm not surprised he wants his rookies to work their way up. Thats his way of doing things. Some agree with it, others don't. Personally, I'm indifferent although I'd like him to give more minutes to skilled or top 6 potential prospects.
for the love of god, please someone show me a list of the coaches in the NHL while coaching an NHL team that likes to play young players who are not ready for top 6 minutes on one of the top lines while he makes mistakes learning the role. No coach on this team will be allowed to continually put out a rookie in a top role while he continually fails.
the only time i see this happen is on a crap team. not on a team that is in the mix for a payoff berth or higher. And usually only with top prospects.
Mac pac is not one of these. and neither is eller. Thats why Eller and Subban played last year in the AHL and dominated.
Max was tried early in his career and not left there for the right reasons. The only reason he was tried was cause we lacked that type of player and couldn't acquire one. Same for Lats.
But what if the vets also suck? Why not have the youngsters play and learn rather than vets who suck anyways? It's not like there's a player better than Eller sitting out there who should get the spot. Maybe Pouliot or Boyd. But what the **** do "veterans" like Darche and Moen have to offer in a top 6 role?
Really? You dont see a lot of teams winning and getting a lot out of their youth? lets see, Pittsburgh built a team with prospects. Chicago just built a team with prospects. Detroit is amazing with kids. And now the Islanders and Edmonton are doing it. I am not saying that a kid jumps in and in one season becomes a god, but you DEVELOP them into players as you grow your team around them. Jacques can't do that. at least I see no signs of it and I see a lot of signs that he is actually bad with the prospects and heck Patches is describing exactly what I thought was happening.
With Sergie he was belittled and instead of learning from it he rebelled. Remember, people don't rebel unless there is something to rebel against.
just sayin
Interesting you mention that. Tell me, where did Dats and Zetty start on the team? Detroit is known for being a youngsters "nightmare". Eller is being developed the same way Zetty and Dats were. Secondly, Pittsburg and Chicago were rebuilding! They had very little veteran top-6 talent on their teams. Their youngsters were/are franchise type players. Big difference.
