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11-06-2010, 02:09 PM
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I was thinking LW Kyle Beach could be a nice fit for Flyers

Beach for JVR in offseason?

Morin has moved past Beach in Hawks organization at LW and it would be nice to see JVR (I like what he brings) on our 2nd line LW spot next season

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Why does everything on HF have to result in a ****ing trade proposal?

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11-06-2010, 02:13 PM
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I was thinking LW Kyle Beach could be a nice fit for Flyers

Beach for JVR in offseason?

Morin has moved past Beach in Hawks organization at LW and it would be nice to see JVR (I like what he brings) on our 2nd line LW spot next season

Morin-Toews-Kane
JVR-Sharp-Hossa
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Hell no. JVR has lot more upside than Beach. That would be a dumb trade from the Flyers side.

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11-06-2010, 02:18 PM
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I was thinking LW Kyle Beach could be a nice fit for Flyers

Beach for JVR in offseason?

Morin has moved past Beach in Hawks organization at LW and it would be nice to see JVR (I like what he brings) on our 2nd line LW spot next season

Morin-Toews-Kane
JVR-Sharp-Hossa
Stalberg-Bolland-Makarov
Smith-Dowell-Skille
let me get this straight. you say morin(an ok prospect) has moved past beach, but then you offer him for a #2 overall pick whois still young. why would the flyers do that?

And for the record, I hate JVR and I like players like beach, but the value is off.

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11-06-2010, 02:31 PM
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I was thinking LW Kyle Beach could be a nice fit for Flyers

Beach for JVR in offseason?

Morin has moved past Beach in Hawks organization at LW and it would be nice to see JVR (I like what he brings) on our 2nd line LW spot next season

Morin-Toews-Kane
JVR-Sharp-Hossa
Stalberg-Bolland-Makarov
Smith-Dowell-Skille
Dude, you've been okay hanging around the Flyers' board for a while. There's been no issues.

Why would you now propose this?

There's not a chance of it happening, and you know everyone's going to tell you no.

Even if for some reason the posters on this forum said yes, there's NO chance the Flyers would do something like that.

Beach is not on the same level as JVR, and he's not as NHL ready as JVR.

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11-06-2010, 02:32 PM
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let me get this straight. you say morin(an ok prospect) has moved past beach, but then you offer him for a #2 overall pick whois still young. why would the flyers do that?

And for the record, I hate JVR and I like players like beach, but the value is off.
Morin is better then OK

The kid looks great and outplayed most of the Hawks in preseason at age 19

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11-06-2010, 02:35 PM
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Dude, you've been okay hanging around the Flyers' board for a while. There's been no issues.

Why would you now propose this?

There's not a chance of it happening, and you know everyone's going to tell you no.

Even if for some reason the posters on this forum said yes, there's NO chance the Flyers would do something like that.

Beach is not on the same level as JVR, and he's not as NHL ready as JVR.
Meh ,,,, Just wanted to see how Flyer fans felt

Many have not been happy with JVR and Beach does provide that power forward aspect that Flyer fans have wanted

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11-06-2010, 02:36 PM
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Morin is better then OK

The kid looks great and outplayed most of the Hawks in preseason at age 19
so if you are going to make a terrible proposal, at least throw in the better player.

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And for the record, I hate JVR and I like players like beach, but the value is off.
I don't know why I'm bothering with this....but can you explain why exactly you hate JVR?

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11-06-2010, 03:57 PM
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I don't know why I'm bothering with this....but can you explain why exactly you hate JVR?
JVR is on his way to becoming a whipping boy like Carter.

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11-06-2010, 04:07 PM
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let me get this straight. you say morin(an ok prospect) has moved past beach, but then you offer him for a #2 overall pick whois still young. why would the flyers do that?

And for the record, I hate JVR and I like players like beach, but the value is off.
Must be a Delbarton fan, St. Augistines or St. Peters Prep.

(NJ natives would get that)

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11-06-2010, 04:11 PM
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Must be a Delbarton fan, St. Augistines or St. Peters Prep.

(NJ natives would get that)

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He is, but being a "power forward" is about mentality and he doesn't have it. Doesn't mean he can't be a very good player.
Power forwards traditionally develop later. For the most part, it takes time to get the proper mentality to be a power forward at the NHL level.

Now, maybe JVR is the type of guy who will never "get it", as far as being a dominant physical forward, but the kid is what, 21 yrs old? I wouldn't be shocked if he didn't become a true power forward till age 25 (if he ever becomes one). That's really not that unusual.

The patience of people when dealing with young players is practically nonexistent (and I'm not trying to throw darts at you).

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Power forwards traditionally develop later. For the most part, it takes time to get the proper mentality to be a power forward at the NHL level.

Now, maybe JVR is the type of guy who will never "get it", as far as being a dominant physical forward, but the kid is what, 21 yrs old? I wouldn't be shocked if he didn't become a true power forward till age 25 (if he ever becomes one). That's really not that unusual.

The patience of people when dealing with young players is practically nonexistent (and I'm not trying to throw darts at you).
Could you cite some examples? It's been my belief that you either have it or you don't. To be a true power forward takes a desire to put a hurting on the other team, the desire to want to put guys through the boards, and pound defenders in front of the net. And I haven't seen many large players come into this league as pure skill guys, to whom physicality was an after thought, and develop the mean streak required to be a powerforward.

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11-06-2010, 04:30 PM
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It's the same problem Carter was going through earlier in the season.
But Carter has one of the best wristers to make up for it. JVR needs to get to the net.

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11-06-2010, 04:31 PM
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Must be a Delbarton fan, St. Augistines or St. Peters Prep.

(NJ natives would get that)
Represent (oh and its St. Augustine lol)

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11-06-2010, 04:53 PM
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Ok my memory doesnt go back that far, but in terms of power forwards having mean streaks from their very beginning....

First 2-3 years of Lindros and Leclair.... were they mean right from the start or did they develop it later???

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He has been excellent along the wall on the cycle, but REALLY needs to start taking the puck into the middle of the ice and/or jamming the net.
Yeah, that's the biggest thing. TBH, I'd be much more worried if he was floating, but he's doing the work and putting in some decent cycling shifts, he just needs to start getting into those high traffic areas and using his body and strength more.

One other thing to consider would be that he did play on an Olympic size rink in college, so there might be some prolonged adjustment.

I dunno, I was hoping for more, but don't see why people are this upset, the best thing is that he's working at least.

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Why does everything on HF have to result in a ****ing trade proposal?
...that won't actually happen in real life, anyway!

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Lavi is a great coach. Hes sending 2 messages by sitting JvR and Zherdev. And playing Nodl and Wellwood. That message is "To all my 'regulars' if you dont play well, you will sit, and someone else will take your spot." The other message is "To all my AHL players and prospects, come up here and play well, you can stay here and play well" I love it. Basically everyone needs to play for their jobs and not sit down and rest, and it keeps the AHL and fringe guys working hard for a shot at the NHL.

Jvr has been flat so he's sitting him for a kid who has been playing well. Hes got control of this team. Love it. Hope jvr gets his **** together tho. Im not diggin all this trade talk. Come on. Ever hear of a sophmore jynx? He will get his stuff together, it would be a bit foolish to trade him, unless its a part of something big, but this team doesnt need a shakeup like that. We have dpeth at foward so Lavi can sit a stuggling player and not have to worry.


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please.....

STOP the "KID" talk, he's 21!

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the 2nd overall pick


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[QUOTE=46zone;28774879]I don't know why I'm bothering with this....but can you explain why exactly you hate JVR?[/QUO

He has all the phyical tools but no tool box. that to me is worse than not having the skill. His fear of contact will be his downfall.

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11-06-2010, 07:51 PM
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I think one key component of JVR's underperforming is his underhwelming shot. He doesn't have the confidence to shoot when he needs to, one example being his constant "forehand, backhand, softy through the legs" on breakaways.

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11-06-2010, 08:20 PM
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Ok my memory doesnt go back that far, but in terms of power forwards having mean streaks from their very beginning....

First 2-3 years of Lindros and Leclair.... were they mean right from the start or did they develop it later???
Lindros was always mean, LeClair was never mean.

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11-06-2010, 08:53 PM
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JVR needs more time. I would HATE it if we traded JVR and he developed into an amazing power forward 2 years from now and all the Flyers can say is, "Oops, looks like we just Patrick Sharp'd JVR."

I can almost guarentee JVR turns it up BIG TIME next season, as he is due to be re-signed not this offseason, but the next one. Book it. Next season JVR breaks out.

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