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11-11-2010, 10:35 AM
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The writing was on the wall for O'Byrne. As for the prospect, I guess you get what the assets worth a 3rd rounder.

BTW, We save 942.000$ in cap on the move.

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Bournival was in interview at CKAC just BEFORE they knew he was traded lol... he was there cause they thought he was one of those that stand out in the 2 games gainst team russia...

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Terrible trade for giving up a mobile 6'4 defenseman.
A 6'4'' defensemen that has no physicality and plays like a 5'9'' player. He will not be missed.

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I will admit that I know next to nothing about Bournival...just don't like that we have 80 versions of him in the system already.

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Nice trade. Getting Bournival in return puts more depth into our prospect pool. That guy is physically strong already and is a good 2-way player. Could see him playing bottom 6 but has potential to play offensive role too. He's now around 6 feet, 187 lbs. Was 5'11, 179 lbs when drafted this past summer.

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11-11-2010, 10:37 AM
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I expect O'Byrne to beast in Colorado.

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I will admit that I know next to nothing about Bournival...just don't like that we have 80 versions of him in the system already.
Well, that's a little strange. You know next to nothing about him, yet you're certain there are clones of him in the system.

So, who are all these players that are just like him?

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11-11-2010, 10:38 AM
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I will admit that I know next to nothing about Bournival...just don't like that we have 80 versions of him in the system already.
Keep in mind the kid is only 18. Next year, none of Maxwell, Desharnais, or White can be in Hamilton anymore. Yes, you'll have Leblanc and Engqvist (+ Dumont and Fortier), but doesn't hurt to add a future center to the pipeline.

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Never heard of the kid.

He was Colorado's 3rd round pick last year.
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...php?pid=115896

I'm not a fan of dropping a serviceable NHL player (arguably I guess) for a low-level prospect but whatever, time will tell.
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11-11-2010, 10:39 AM
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Latendresse, D'Agostini, Chipchura, S. Kostitsyn, O'Byrne... 5 guys under 26 who have been traded already with Martin as coach.

I like the return on this trade though, Bournival sounds like an interesting prospect and with Picard playing well this year we weren't likely to see O'Byrne play any time soon.
Not quite as huge of a loss as you make it out to be. We got Pouliot (24) for Latendresse. Palushaj (21) for D'ags. We got a pick for Chips, Sergei was just a shot at trying to sign Ellis at a decent salary, guess that failed and Ob got us a good prospect. I think overall probably the Sergei trade was the biggest question mark but it was a gamble on trying to find a backup for Price which Ellis probably wasnt up for, thats without mentioning Sergei's problems with the team.

Overall, not too bad by PG, not outstanding though but at least he didnt pick up old timers.

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Some of you are seriously overrating OB
O'Byrne has size and potential that he just isn't reaching. People are going to react like they reacted to Kilger.

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Both Joey Hishon and Michael Bournival were selections in this past summer’s draft (first and third-round respectively) and are Colorado’s only forward prospects playing Canadian major junior hockey. The 17th overall selected Hishon is looking more like a steal than a head-scratcher at this point, posting a remarkable 10 goals and six assists in just seven OHL games this season. Not to be outdone, Bournival has posted 21 points in 15 contests thus far. Both appear to be on the fast-track to the NHL, with Hishon exemplifying star potential.


12. (NR) Michael Bournival, C, 18
Drafted 3rd round, 71st overall, 2010

Selected in the third round this past summer, the hard-nosed Bournival will look to build on what was a very successful second year for him in the QMJHL. The 18-year-old recorded 24 goals, 38 assists and 62 penalty minutes in 58 games with Shawinigan. Bournival was also a member of Canada's U-18 team where he scored two goals and one assist in six games.

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/article...ado_avalanche/

He projects as a top-nine talent who has the ability to play a versatile game. What he lacks in size he makes up for in hard work and dedication. His work ethic will do him well when it comes to making the jump to the next level. He can be a multipurpose forward and is likely to spend the next few seasons developing in the QMJHL.

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I am okay with this trade. As much as I wanted O'Byrne to become this certain 'something' I don't think he was going to reach that goal that I had in mind for him. He was good for a couple stretches, bad in others, and never really made his place unfortunately for him. Then add in the fact that we signed Picard who has been great and more deserving of the 7th spot IMO and well, he's just sitting around getting a million bucks as the 8th defenseman.

I know people will whine and gripe about this, but we got a young new prospect that has potential out of it and can develop, saved some money for an 8th D who never really put it together yet, and would have a REALLY hard time cracking our lineup. I am totally fine with this and I sincerely wish O'Byrne well in Colorado. One of the players that leave and I legit hope they pull it together and have a solid career, he seemed like a good guy and he never *****ed about anything IIRC which I appreciate. Too many whiny players in the NHL IMO!

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Terrible trade for giving up a mobile 6'4 defenseman.
Yeah right, very mobile... good luck for him if he plays good for Colorado...we dont need him, he had his chances, he didn't take them. Now its a 0,942M cap space, one spot in our roster...who will it be?

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Not quite as huge of a loss as you make it out to be. We got Pouliot (24) for Latendresse. Palushaj (21) for D'ags. We got a pick for Chips, Sergei was just a shot at trying to sign Ellis at a decent salary, guess that failed and Ob got us a good prospect. I think overall probably the Sergei trade was the biggest question mark but it was a gamble on trying to find a backup for Price which Ellis probably wasnt up for, thats without mentioning Sergei's problems with the team.

Overall, not too bad by PG, not outstanding though but at least he didnt pick up old timers.
No I'm not blaming PG, he's done very good at getting return for these guys... especially the D'Ago trade where I thought he had next to no value on the market. I'm just moreso worried about our lack of development of guys at the NHL level and after seeing Eller getting 4 minutes of ice time on Tuesday I hope he's developed better than the young guys who have been traded while Martin's been head coach.

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After watching the videos, the first person he reminded me of was Tom Pyatt.

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People really need to stop calling O'Byrne mobile. Sure he can skate straight up the ice but who can't? Once he is in his own zone and the play starts getting fast east to west then he is done.

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Latendresse, D'Agostini, Chipchura, S. Kostitsyn, O'Byrne... 5 guys under 26 who have been traded already with Martin as coach.

I like the return on this trade though, Bournival sounds like an interesting prospect and with Picard playing well this year we weren't likely to see O'Byrne play any time soon.
All of them have played pretty well too.

Chipchura is still kind of meh, but he's done some good work on the PK. He had a decent year last year after being traded too.

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Terrible trade for giving up a mobile 6'4 defenseman.
It would be if he was actually mobile.

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People really need to stop calling O'Byrne mobile. Sure he can skate straight up the ice but who can't? Once he is in his own zone and the play starts getting fast east to west then he is done.
Hal Gill?

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People really need to stop calling O'Byrne mobile. Sure he can skate straight up the ice but who can't? Once he is in his own zone and the play starts getting fast east to west then he is done.
He then shoots the puck in the crowd and gets a 2 minute break

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Dumb move. O'Byrne will become a beast in the next 2 years with the Avs. They know how to develop kids unlike the Habs.

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Terrible trade for giving up a mobile 6'4 defenseman.
Yeah, and a guy who can score goals too!

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Curious to see how OB will do with some decent ice time. It's his chance to step up
Step up and score in his goal?

And i was looking this week at the two games in the Subway Series against the Russkies and thinking to myself that we heard the word 'Bournival' quite a lot and bam! We get him! Taking a marginal guy like O'Byrne for a really good prospect is a no-brainer for me: good riddance you purse carrying shoot-in-your-own-goal defense!

And why is no one happy that Bournival is a Quebec born player and not some obscure Russian player we never heard of and who will never come over here? I'm guessing Bournival must be VERY happy right now!

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Name: Michael Bournival
Number: 78
Pos.: C
Shoots: L
Height: 5.11
Weight: 184
Birthdate: 1992-05-31
Hometown: Shawinigan-Sud, QC

BIOGRAPHY
Selected in the 1st round, 7th overall by Shawinigan in the 2008 QMJHL Entry Draft.
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Leads the team in shots on goal with 160.
Has 10 multi-point games this season.
Was named a Scholastic Player of the Month for September.
Played for Team QMJHL at the 2009 SUBWAY Super Series.
Won gold with Canada playing for coach Bob Boughner at the 2009 Memorial of Ivan Hlinka Tournament.
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O'byrne has 4 or 5 years left of easily replaceable bottom pairing / 7th man service... big freakin' deal.

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