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Mark Howe or Scott Niedermayer

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Mark Howe 39 57.35%
Scott Niedermayer 29 42.65%
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11-11-2010, 05:37 PM
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I deleted a bunch of off topic posts form this thread. Its not about Lidstrom or Bourque, but Neidermayer and Howe. Keep it on topic or someone will end up crying.

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During Gretzky's most dominant 5-year period from a goal differential improvement standpoint, he took his teams from 1.11 without him, to 1.69 with him. (1981-1985) Best 5 non-consecutive (81, 82, 85, 87, 96): From 0.94 to 1.59.

(wanna hear something strange I noticed? 1989 was actually the beginning of the end of Gretzky as a dominant even strength player. He was a Hart winner, yet his team was 1.15 with him off the ice, and just 1.10 with him on.)

Lemieux's best 5-year period (1989-1993): He took his team from 0.91 without him, to 1.47 with. In his best 5 seasons with at least 40 games (1987, 1989, 1992, 1993, 1997): From 0.85 to 1.55.

Bourque's best 5-year period (1983-1987): From 0.98 to 1.66. Best 5 non-consecutive seasons (80, 83, 84, 87, 94): From 0.99 to 1.80.

Trottier's best 5-year period (1980-1984): From 1.15 to 1.99. best 5 non-consecutive (78, 79, 81, 82, 84): From 1.25 to 2.36.

Trottier's 73% increase versus off-ice comparables is the best in this bunch, based on best 5 consecutive years. His 89% increase in his best 5 non-consecutive years is also the best here.

Howe's 67% increase would be the 3rd-best out of this group in his best 5 consecutive seasons, after Trottier and Bourque. In his best 5 cherrypicked seasons (81, 86, 87, 90, 92), it was from 0.84 to 1.90, a remarkable 126% increase, easily the best ratio in this group.
Not really on topic, but I'd be interested in seeing these stats for Orr.

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Not really on topic, but I'd be interested in seeing these stats for Orr.
I can tell you that they are sick.

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Not really on topic, but I'd be interested in seeing these stats for Orr.
Posted here. Highlight - from 1969-75, Orr's R-ON/R-OFF was 2.22/1.10.

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Posted here. Highlight - from 1969-75, Orr's R-ON/R-OFF was 2.22/1.10.
Yeah, they're ridiculous.
Even when you use only other players best 10 years in comparison, he still blows them away.

It truly is hard to describe just how incredible and dominant Orr was to younger folk who never saw him.
I'm just glad that there actually are stats like this that can at least give you a glimpse.

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