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CIS Hockey: Official Hollywood Top 34: 2010-11

THE OFFICIAL HOLLYWOOD TOP 34 ~ 2010-11

Once again it is time to bring the hockey world the most authoritative ranking system in CIS hockey - THE OFFICIAL HOLLYWOOD TOP 34. Instead of doing a pre-season ranking I wait until there have been exhibition games and a smattering of regular season games as well. So here goes. You can also check on the CIS Standings and the CIS Composite Schedule.

The first step is to break it down conference by conference to minimize the "non-conforming" results. Here's the Canada West results so far:
Code:
ALBERTA       W: CC CAL REG SAS CAL CAL L: UNB
MANITOBA      W: SAS BRO BRO            L: REG MOO SCS UND  
SASKATCHEWAN  W: POR NAI REG CAL REG    L: MAN ALT REG
LETHBRIDGE    W: CAL CAL MRU DEN        L: COL USA 
REGINA        W: POR MAN NAI SAS        L: SAS ALT CAL SAS
UBC           W: SAI SAI                L: UNO MIN MSM 
CALGARY       W: REG                    L: LET LET UNB UNB ALT SAS ALT ALT
The only non-conforming result is Regina's win over Manitoba. This is a situation where Regina beat Manitoba, Sask beat Regina, and Manitoba beat Sask, meaning that one result had to be inconsistent with the rankings.

Next is Ontario:
Code:
LAKEHEAD      W: OTT OTT 
UQTR          W: CON STU ACA            L: STU SFX ACA 
MCGILL        W: CAR CAR WAT UWO RMC 
GUELPH        W: BRO LAU BRO            L: UNB PEI NOT 
QUEEN'S       W: OTT RMC YOR TOR        L: RMU MER
RYERSON       W: UOI YOR NIP            L: WIN TOR 
CARLTON                                 L: MCG MCG SLU CLA
W.ONTARIO     W: NIP LSS                L: CON MCG CZE MIC 
BROCK         W: LAU YOR                L: GUE GUE MAN MAN   
YORK          W: NIP TOR                L: QUE RYE BRO NIA CAN
NIPISSING     W: UOI                    L: UWO YOR RYE MT NMU
UOIT          W: WIN WAT FER            L: RYE NIP WMU
WATERLOO      W: CON                    L: UOI MCG MIA
CONCORDIA     W: UWO                    L: WAT UQT  
WINDSOR       W: CZE RYE                L: UOI CZE UAF UAA
TORONTO       W: RYE                    L: QUE YOR BU BC
LAURIER                                 L: BRO GUE RIT BOW
OTTAWA        W: RMC                    L: QUE LAK LAK 
RMC                                     L: QUE OTT MCG 
The non-conforming results here are Concordia over UWO, Windsor over Ryerson, and Toronto over Ryerson. Ryerson was odd in that their wins were over the better teams. They also have a regular season win. I don't know why Lakehead has only had two games.

And, finally, here's the AUS:
Code:
UNB           W: CAL ALT CAL GUE SMU 
                 UMA VER RIT 
ST MARY'S     W: DAL SFX PEI            L: UNB PEI 
ST F-X        W: UQT ACA STU            L: SMU UML             T: UNH
ACADIA        W: UQT DAL NEU            L: UQT SFX DAL MAI 
DALHOUSIE     W: ACA MON                L: SMU ACA  
ST THOMAS     W: UQT MON                L: UQT SFX SHU QUI
MONCTON       W: PEI                    L: STU DAL 
PEI           W: GUE SMU                L: SMU MON
This had two non-conforming results, but both were parts of splits between SMU and PEI, and between Acadia and Dalhousie.

INTERLOCKING GAMES

Th interlocking games between conferences assist greatly in comparing records across conferences. UNB creamed the Alberta teams, and did likewise to SMU. Brock was squashed by Manitoba and Guelph had a tight loss to PEI.

New Brunswick 10 at Calgary 2
UQTR 2 at St. Thomas 6
New Brunswick 6 at Alberta 2
UQTR 7 at St. Thomas 5
New Brunswick 6 at Calgary 1
UQTR 2 at St. Francis Xavier 4
Guelph 2 at New Brunswick 4
UQTR 3 vs Acadia 4
Brock 2 at Manitoba 6
UQTR 5 at Acadia 1
Prince Edward Island 6 vs Guelph 5 (OT)
Brock 1 at Manitoba 8

COMBINED

The record I have noted is each team's record against CIS teams other than UNB, who are running roughshod over the competition. As the season progresses the inter-conference exhibition games will be dropped but the non-conference games against teams from the other conferences will be included, as will mid-season tournaments. Once more games are played I will also be able to break down the teams by grades A, B, C etc for better rankings.
Code:
1 UNB            5-0  W: CAL ALT CAL GUE SMU 
                         UMA VER RIT 
2 ALBERTA        5-0  W: CC CAL REG SAS CAL CAL L: UNB
3 ST MARY'S      3-1  W: DAL SFX PEI            L: UNB PEI 
4 ST F-X         3-1  W: UQT ACA STU            L: SMU UML             T: UNH
5 MANITOBA       3-1  W: SAS BRO BRO            L: REG MOO SCS UND  

6 SASKATCHEWAN   3-3  W: POR NAI REG CAL REG    L: MAN ALT REG
7 LAKEHEAD       2-0  W: OTT OTT 
8 ACADIA         2-3  W: UQT DAL NEU            L: UQT SFX DAL MAI 
9 LETHBRIDGE     2-0  W: CAL CAL MRU DEN        L: COL USA 
10 DALHOUSIE     2-2  W: ACA MON                L: SMU ACA  

11 UQTR          3-3  W: CON STU ACA            L: STU SFX ACA 
12 MCGILL        5-0  W: CAR CAR WAT UWO RMC 
13 ST THOMAS     2-2  W: UQT MON                L: UQT SFX SHU QUI
14 REGINA        2-4  W: POR MAN NAI SAS        L: SAS ALT CAL SAS
15 MONCTON       1-2  W: PEI                    L: STU DAL 

16 UBC           0-0  W: SAI SAI                L: UNO MIN MSM 
17 PEI           2-2  W: GUE SMU                L: SMU MON 
18 GUELPH        3-2  W: BRO LAU BRO            L: UNB PEI NOT 
19 CALGARY       1-6  W: REG                    L: LET LET UNB UNB ALT SAS ALT ALT
20 QUEEN'S       4-0  W: OTT RMC YOR TOR        L: RMU MER

21 RYERSON       3-2  W: UOI YOR NIP            L: WIN TOR 
22 CARLTON       0-2                            L: MCG MCG SLU CLA
23 W.ONTARIO     1-2  W: NIP LSS                L: CON MCG CZE MIC 
24 BROCK         2-4  W: LAU YOR                L: GUE GUE MAN MAN   
25 YORK          2-3  W: NIP TOR                L: QUE RYE BRO NIA CAN

26 NIPISSING     1-3  W: UOI                    L: UWO YOR RYE MT NMU
27 UOIT          2-2  W: WIN WAT FER            L: RYE NIP WMU
28 WATERLOO      1-2  W: CON                    L: UOI MCG MIA
29 CONCORDIA     1-2  W: UWO                    L: WAT UQT  
30 WINDSOR       1-1  W: CZE RYE                L: UOI CZE UAF UAA

31 TORONTO       1-2  W: RYE                    L: QUE YOR BU BC
32 LAURIER       0-2                            L: BRO GUE RIT BOW
33 OTTAWA        1-3  W: RMC                    L: QUE LAK LAK 
34 RMC           0-3                            L: QUE OTT MCG


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October 11, 2010

THE OFFICIAL HOLLYWOOD TOP 34 ~ 2010-11

It is now time for the Thanksgiving edition of the most authoritative ranking system in CIS hockey - THE OFFICIAL HOLLYWOOD TOP 34. For your own edification you could check on the CIS Standings and the CIS Composite Schedule. Here are this week's results:
  • Oct. 7
    UOIT 0 LAURIER 8
    W. ONTARIO 3 GUELPH 2

    Oct. 8
    UQTR 1 NIPISSING 6
    CARLETON 6 RMC 2
    WINDSOR 2 YORK 5
    QUEEN'S 7 OTTAWA 6
    GUELPH 3 BROCK 2
    WATERLOO 5 LAKEHEAD 4 OT
    MCGILL 3 TORONTO 2 OT
    CONCORDIA 7 RYERSON 4
    REGINA 5 MANITOBA 2
    W. Ontario 5 Mich. St. 3
    St. Thomas 4 Acadia 5 OT
    St. FX 2 St Mary's 4
    PEI 2 Dalhousie 6
    UBC 6 Victoria 8

    Oct. 9
    CARLETON 1 RYERSON 5
    WINDSOR 2 YORK 3
    MCGILL 9 NIPISSING 4
    OTTAWA 4 RMC 3 OT
    LAURIER 6 UOIT 4
    UQTR 6 TORONTO 2
    WATERLOO 3 LAKEHEAD 7
    REGINA 0 MANITOBA 7
    CONCORDIA 8 QUEEN'S 5
    St. Thomas 4 St. FX 6
    Moncton 5 Dalhousie 6
    UBC 2 Victoria 6
And here are the rankings:
Code:
                CONF   CIS   CONFX  OTHER  TOTAL
 1 UNB         0-0-0  4-0-0  1-0-0  3-0-0  8-0-0
 2 ALBERTA     2-0-0  0-1-0  3-0-0  0-0-0  5-1-0 (W Calg 2)
 3 ST MARY'S   0-0-0  0-0-0  4-2-0  0-0-0  4-2-0
 4 MANITOBA    1-1-0  2-0-0  1-1-0  0-3-0  4-5-0 (W Reg L Reg)
 5 DALHOUSIE   0-0-0  0-0-0  4-2-0  0-0-0  4-2-0

 6 SASK.       1-1-0  0-0-0  2-2-0  2-0-0  5-3-0 (W Reg L Reg)
 7 MCGILL      2-0-0  0-0-0  5-0-0  0-0-0  7-0-0 (W Tor Nip)
 8 ST F-X      0-0-0  1-0-0  3-2-0  0-1-1  4-3-1*
 9 REGINA      2-2-0  0-0-0  1-3-0  2-0-0  5-5-0 (W Sas Man L Sas Man)
10 CONCORDIA   2-0-0  0-0-0  1-2-0  0-0-0  3-2-0 (W Ryer Que)

11 ACADIA      0-0-0  1-1-0  2-2-0  1-1-0  4-4-0 
12 LETHBRIDGE  0-0-0  0-0-0  2-0-0  2-2-0  4-2-0 (n/a)
13 W. ONTARIO  1-0-0  0-0-0  1-2-0  2-2-0  4-4-0 (W Gue)
14 LAKEHEAD    1-0-1  0-0-0  2-0-0  0-0-0  3-0-1 (W Wat OTL Wat)
15 UPEI        0-0-0  1-0-0  1-3-0  0-0-0  2-3-0

16 GUELPH      1-1-0  0-2-0  3-0-0  0-1-0  4-4-0 (W Bro L WO)
17 ST THOMAS   0-0-0  1-1-0  1-2-1  0-2-0  2-5-1
18 WATERLOO    1-1-0  0-0-0  1-2-0  0-1-0  2-4-0 (W Lak L Lak)
19 UBC         0-0-0  0-0-0  0-0-0  2-5-0  2-5-0 (n/a)
20 CALGARY     0-2-0  0-2-0  1-4-0  0-0-0  1-8-0 (L Alta 2)

21 MONCTON     0-0-0  0-0-0  1-3-0  0-0-0  1-3-0
22 BROCK       1-1-0  0-2-0  1-2-0  0-0-0  2-5-0 (W Yor L Gue)
23 LAURIER     2-0-0  0-0-0  0-2-0  0-2-0  2-4-0 (W UOIT 2)
24 RYERSON     2-1-0  0-0-0  2-3-0  0-0-0  4-4-0 (W Nip Carl L Con)
25 YORK        2-1-0  0-0-0  2-2-0  0-2-0  4-5-0 (W Wind 2 L Bro)

26 NIPISSING   1-2-0  0-0-0  1-2-0  0-2-0  2-6-0 (W UQT L Ryer McG)
27 UQTR        1-1-0  2-3-0  1-0-0  0-0-0  4-4-0 (W Tor L Nip)
28 QUEEN'S     1-1-0  0-0-0  4-0-0  0-2-0  5-3-0 (W Ott L Conc)
29 TORONTO     0-1-1  0-0-0  1-2-0  0-2-0  1-5-1 (L UQTR OTL McG)
30 OTTAWA      1-1-0  0-0-0  1-3-0  0-0-0  2-4-0 (W RMC L Que)

31 CARLTON     1-1-0  0-0-0  0-2-0  0-2-0  1-5-0 (W RMC L Ryer)
32 UOIT        0-2-0  0-0-0  2-2-0  1-1-0  3-5-0 (L Laur 2)
33 WINDSOR     0-2-0  0-0-0  1-1-0  1-3-0  2-6-0 (L York 2)
34 RMC         0-1-1  0-0-0  0-3-0  0-0-0  0-4-1 (L Carl OTL Ott)

* tie game
CONF record v conference
CIS record v rest of CIS
CONFX exhibition record v conference
OTHER record v non-CIS teams
These rankings are subject to rather severe changes from one week to the next.

In the OUA, teams like Lakehead and UQTR, for example, could jump dramatically if they can get some wins together, as they normally do. Right now, a weekend split to teams that have struggled against mediocrity can be costly.

In the AUS they have yet to play any regular season games. UNB has crushed one and all but the rest have shown that they are capable of knocking one another off at any time.

In the Canada West, UBC and Lethbridge have yet to see any action. Regina has splits with Sask and Manitoba so have to be taken seriously. However, that 7-0 crushing may indicate that they are still an average CW team looking for the odd upset rather than a contender. Time will tell.

To combine the conferences, the OUA appears to be the weak sister, as they have been in recent years. McGill has gone undefeated against OUA teams so they move up. But having seen Brock's weakness, and since they are #7 in the OUA, there seems little option but to give the OUA the bottom 13 places. Teams like Calgary, UBC, and Moncton still appear capable of defeating good opponents.

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October 17, 2010

THE OFFICIAL HOLLYWOOD TOP 34 ~ 2010-11

The most authoritative ranking system in CIS hockey - THE OFFICIAL HOLLYWOOD TOP 34 - basically reaches the conclusion that the CIS is too tough to rank with a reasonable degree of accuracy at this stage.

Here are the links:Here are this week's results:
  • Oct. 14
    McGill 6 UQTR 2

    Oct. 15
    St. Thomas 1 Moncton 10
    UNB 2 UPEI 4
    Acadia 4 StFX 5
    Saint Mary's 5 Dalhousie 0
    Nipissing 4 Ottawa 5 OT
    Laurier 4 Brock 2
    RMC 4 Ryerson 5
    Guelph 4 Waterloo 5
    Queen's 6 Toronto 5 OT
    Lakehead 1 Windsor 5
    W. Ontario 4 UOIT 5 OT
    Calgary 5 Lethbridge 4 OT
    Regina 2 Saskatchewan 1
    Alberta 2 UBC 4

    Oct. 16
    RMC 2 Ryerson 4
    Concordia 3 Carleton 4
    UPEI 3 Moncton 5
    UNB 7 St. Thomas 1
    Dalhousie 3 Acadia 1
    StFX 4 Saint Mary's 2
    Lakehead 0 Windsor 3
    UOIT 1 Guelph 8
    York 0 W. Ontario 6
    Laurier 2 Waterloo 4
    Nipissing 2 Queen's 3 OT
    Saskatchewan 9 Regina 1
    Lethbridge 1 Calgary 2 OT
    Alberta 6 UBC 2

    Oct. 17
    Ottawa 3 Concordia 6
And here are the rankings, first by conference:
Code:
   Canada West
                CONF   CIS   CONFX  OTHER  TOTAL 
 1 ALBERTA     3-1-0  0-1-0  3-0-0  0-0-0  6-2-0 (W Calg 2 W UBC L UBC) 
 2 MANITOBA    1-1-0  2-0-0  1-1-0  0-3-0  4-5-0 (W Reg L Reg) 
 3 SASK.       2-2-0  0-0-0  2-2-0  2-0-0  6-4-0 (W Reg 2 L Reg 2) 
 4 REGINA      3-3-0  0-0-0  1-3-0  2-0-0  6-6-0 (W Sas 2 Man L Sas 2 Man) 
 5 UBC         1-1-0  0-0-0  0-0-0  2-5-0  3-6-0 (W Alta L Alta) 
 6 CALGARY     2-2-0  0-2-0  1-4-0  0-0-0  1-8-0 (W Leth 2 L Alta 2) 
 7 LETHBRIDGE  0-0-2  0-0-0  2-0-0  2-2-0  4-2-0 (OTL Cal 2)
Alberta, as the only above .500 team, gets first for sure. Lethbridge is only technically at .500 because of the bonus points, so they get 7th. Calgary were man-handled by Alberta so they get 6th. UBC and Regina have shown they can eek out an upset on Friday night before getting trounced in the Saturday rematch, so they get 4th and 5th, with the nod going to Regina based on fact that they have maintained their record through 6 games now. Manitoba noses out Sask based on a pre-season win and had only 1 tight game against Regina in 2 attempts, not 3 of 4 as Sask has experienced.

Code:
   OUA
                CONF   CIS   CONFX  OTHER  TOTAL 
 1 MCGILL      3-0-0  0-0-0  5-0-0  0-0-0  8-0-0 (W Tor Nip UQTR) 

 2 CONCORDIA   3-1-0  0-0-0  1-2-0  0-0-0  4-3-0 (W Ryer Que Ott L Carl) 
 3 RYERSON     4-1-0  0-0-0  2-3-0  0-0-0  6-4-0 (W Nip Carl RMC 2 L Conc)
 4 CARLTON     2-1-0  0-0-0  0-2-0  0-2-0  2-5-0 (W RMC Conc L Ryer) 

 5 WATERLOO    3-1-0  0-0-0  1-2-0  0-1-0  4-4-0 (W Lak Gue Laur L Lak) 
 6 LAURIER     3-1-0  0-0-0  0-2-0  0-2-0  3-5-0 (W UOIT 2 Bro L Wat)
 7 QUEEN'S     3-1-0  0-0-0  4-0-0  0-2-0  7-3-0 (W Ott Tor Nip L Conc)

 8 W. ONTARIO  2-0-1  0-0-0  1-2-0  2-2-0  5-4-1 (W Gue York OTL UOIT)
 9 GUELPH      2-2-0  0-2-0  3-0-0  0-1-0  5-5-0 (W Bro UOIT L WO Wat) 
10 UOIT        1-3-0  0-0-0  2-2-0  1-1-0  4-6-0 (W WO L Laur 2 Gue)

11 BROCK       1-2-0  0-2-0  1-2-0  0-0-0  2-6-0 (W Yor L Gue Laur)
12 YORK        2-2-0  0-0-0  2-2-0  0-2-0  4-6-0 (W Wind 2 L Bro WO)
13 WINDSOR     2-2-0  0-0-0  1-1-0  1-3-0  4-6-0 (W Lake 2 L York 2)
14 LAKEHEAD    1-2-1  0-0-0  2-0-0  0-0-0  3-2-1 (W Wat L Wind 2 OTL Wat) 

15 OTTAWA      2-2-0  0-0-0  1-3-0  0-0-0  3-5-0 (W RMC Nip L Que Conc)
16 NIPISSING   1-2-2  0-0-0  1-2-0  0-2-0  2-7-2 (W UQT L Rye McG OTL Ott Que) 
17 UQTR        1-2-0  2-3-0  1-0-0  0-0-0  4-5-0 (W Tor L Nip McG) 
18 TORONTO     0-1-2  0-0-0  1-2-0  0-2-0  1-6-1 (L UQTR OTL McG Que)
19 RMC         0-3-1  0-0-0  0-3-0  0-0-0  0-6-1 (L Carl Rye 2 OTL Ott)
McGill is clearly #!, since they are unbeaten in regular season and pre-season. Then you have Concordia, Ryerson, and Carlton who have taken turns beating each other for their only losses of the year. Then you have another troika. Waterloo beat Laurier, and Laurier has beaten better teams than has Queen's. The third troika (Urban Cowboys, Guelph, and UOIT) have also taken turns beating each other and have only wins vs teams below them and only losses with the teams above them. Then we have a quartet where Brock beat York who beat Windsor who beat Lakehead, so they all fall into line. Then we have the bottom feeders. Ottawa beat the Nips who beat UQTR who beat Toronto who, like Ryerson, beat nobody. So while all team end up falling nicely into place I would expect some shake-ups. Can Lakehead and UQTR be that bad?

Code:
   AUS
                CONF   CIS   CONFX  OTHER  TOTAL 
 1 ST F-X      2-0-0  1-0-0  3-2-0  0-1-1  6-3-1*(W Acad SMU)
 2 UNB         1-1-0  4-0-0  1-0-0  3-0-0  9-1-0 (W STU L UPEI)
 3 MONCTON     2-0-0  0-0-0  1-3-0  0-0-0  3-3-0 (W STU UPEI)
 4 UPEI        1-1-0  1-0-0  1-3-0  0-0-0  3-4-0 (W UNB L Monc)
 5 ST MARY'S   1-1-0  0-0-0  4-2-0  0-0-0  5-3-0 (W Dal L SFX)
 6 DALHOUSIE   1-1-0  0-0-0  4-2-0  0-0-0  5-3-0 (W Acad L SMU)
 7 ACADIA      0-2-0  1-1-0  2-2-0  1-1-0  4-6-0 (L SFX Dal)
 8 ST THOMAS   0-2-0  1-1-0  1-2-1  0-2-0  2-7-1 (L Monc UNB) 
UNB's loss to UPEI threw a monkey-wrench into the AUS seedings. They were only 1-3 in conference exhibition games and then lost to Moncton. Moncton also beat the 'Pids but were also only 1-3 in conference exhibitions. So in the end I place St FX on top, with two wins against solid teams. UNB gets a reprieve. Moncton and UPEI deserve a bump. SMU beat Dal, and Acadia looked better than STU in defeat.

So putting it all together gives us this:
Code:
All-CIS
                CONF   CIS   CONFX  OTHER  TOTAL 
 1 ST F-X      2-0-0  1-0-0  3-2-0  0-1-1  6-3-1*(W Acad SMU)
 2 UNB         1-1-0  4-0-0  1-0-0  3-0-0  9-1-0 (W STU L UPEI)
 3 ALBERTA     3-1-0  0-1-0  3-0-0  0-0-0  6-2-0 (W Calg 2 W UBC L UBC)
 4 MONCTON     2-0-0  0-0-0  1-3-0  0-0-0  3-3-0 (W STU UPEI)
 5 MANITOBA    1-1-0  2-0-0  1-1-0  0-3-0  4-5-0 (W Reg L Reg)

 6 ST MARY'S   1-1-0  0-0-0  4-2-0  0-0-0  5-3-0 (W Dal L SFX)
 7 SASK.       2-2-0  0-0-0  2-2-0  2-0-0  6-4-0 (W Reg 2 L Reg 2) 
 8 UPEI        1-1-0  1-0-0  1-3-0  0-0-0  3-4-0 (W UNB L Monc)
 9 MCGILL      3-0-0  0-0-0  5-0-0  0-0-0  8-0-0 (W Tor Nip UQTR) 
10 REGINA      3-3-0  0-0-0  1-3-0  2-0-0  6-6-0 (W Sas 2 Man L Sas 2 Man)

11 DALHOUSIE   1-1-0  0-0-0  4-2-0  0-0-0  5-3-0 (W Acad L SMU)
12 CONCORDIA   3-1-0  0-0-0  1-2-0  0-0-0  4-3-0 (W Ryer Que Ott L Carl) 
13 UBC         1-1-0  0-0-0  0-0-0  2-5-0  3-6-0 (W Alta L Alta) 
14 ACADIA      0-2-0  1-1-0  2-2-0  1-1-0  4-6-0 (L SFX Dal)
15 RYERSON     4-1-0  0-0-0  2-3-0  0-0-0  6-4-0 (W Nip Carl RMC 2 L Conc)

16 CALGARY     2-2-0  0-2-0  1-4-0  0-0-0  1-8-0 (W Leth 2 L Alta 2) 
17 LETHBRIDGE  0-0-2  0-0-0  2-0-0  2-2-0  4-2-0 (OTL Cal 2)
18 CARLTON     2-1-0  0-0-0  0-2-0  0-2-0  2-5-0 (W RMC Conc L Ryer) 
19 WATERLOO    3-1-0  0-0-0  1-2-0  0-1-0  4-4-0 (W Lak Gue Laur L Lak) 
20 LAURIER     3-1-0  0-0-0  0-2-0  0-2-0  3-5-0 (W UOIT 2 Bro L Wat)

21 QUEEN'S     3-1-0  0-0-0  4-0-0  0-2-0  7-3-0 (W Ott Tor Nip L Conc)
22 W. ONTARIO  2-0-1  0-0-0  1-2-0  2-2-0  5-4-1 (W Gue York OTL UOIT)
23 GUELPH      2-2-0  0-2-0  3-0-0  0-1-0  5-5-0 (W Bro UOIT L WO Wat) 
24 UOIT        1-3-0  0-0-0  2-2-0  1-1-0  4-6-0 (W WO L Laur 2 Gue)
25 BROCK       1-2-0  0-2-0  1-2-0  0-0-0  2-6-0 (W Yor L Gue Laur)

26 YORK        2-2-0  0-0-0  2-2-0  0-2-0  4-6-0 (W Wind 2 L Bro WO)
27 WINDSOR     2-2-0  0-0-0  1-1-0  1-3-0  4-6-0 (W Lake 2 L York 2)
28 LAKEHEAD    1-2-1  0-0-0  2-0-0  0-0-0  3-2-1 (W Wat L Wind 2 OTL Wat)
29 OTTAWA      2-2-0  0-0-0  1-3-0  0-0-0  3-5-0 (W RMC Nip L Que Conc)
30 NIPISSING   1-2-2  0-0-0  1-2-0  0-2-0  2-7-2 (W UQT L Rye McG OTL Ott Que)

31 UQTR        1-2-0  2-3-0  1-0-0  0-0-0  4-5-0 (W Tor L Nip McG) 
32 ST THOMAS   0-2-0  1-1-0  1-2-1  0-2-0  2-7-1 (L Monc UNB)
33 TORONTO     0-1-2  0-0-0  1-2-0  0-2-0  1-6-1 (L UQTR OTL McG Que)
34 RMC         0-3-1  0-0-0  0-3-0  0-0-0  0-6-1 (L Carl Rye 2 OTL Ott) 

* tie game 
CONF record v conference 
CIS record v rest of CIS 
CONFX exhibition record v conference 
OTHER record v non-CIS teams 

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October 25, 2010

THE OFFICIAL HOLLYWOOD TOP 34 ~ 2010-11

The most authoritative ranking system in CIS hockey - THE OFFICIAL HOLLYWOOD TOP 34 - is back for week #4. Here are the links:Here are last week's results:
  • Oct. 18
    UQTR 3 McGill 6

    Oct. 21
    Nipissing 2 Concordia 3

    Oct. 22
    Moncton 1 Saint Mary's 7
    Dalhousie 1 UNB 5
    Acadia 5 UPEI 2
    St. Thomas 2 StFX 5
    Queen's 1 Carleton 2 OT
    RMC 0 McGill 9
    Ryerson 3 Ottawa 7
    Laurier 2 Western 7
    Guelph 1 Lakehead 5
    York 5 Waterloo 3
    Windsor 4 UOIT 6
    Lethbridge 2 Alberta 8
    Calgary 3 UBC 2

    Oct. 23
    RMC 3 UQTR 10
    Toronto 2 Concordia 3 OT
    Ryerson 1 Carleton 3
    Dalhousie 2 UPEI 6
    Moncton 1 StFX 4
    Acadia 2 UNB 5
    Ottawa 1 Nipissing 4
    Queen's 1 McGill 7
    Western 4 Waterloo 3
    Windsor 5 UOIT 4
    Brock 2 Laurier 3
    Guelph 2 Lakehead 8
    Manitoba 2 Saskatchewan 0
    Lethbridge 6 Alberta 9
    Calgary 2 UBC 1 OT

    Oct. 24
    Brock 3 York 0
    Toronto 0 UQTR 2
    Manitoba 3 Saskatchewan 4 OT
After a few more games we should be able to sort the teams by A, B, C, and D rankings, like last year. For now it is still necessary to sort the conferences then shuffle the conferences together like a deck of cards. Due to space constraints, I have dropped the conference and non-CIS exhibition results.

Here's how the conferences shake down:
Code:
   Canada West 
                CONF   CIS   TOTAL 
 1 ALBERTA     5-1-0  0-1-0  5-2-0 (W Calg-2 UBC Leth-2 L UBC) 
 2 MANITOBA    2-1-1  2-0-0  4-1-1 (W Reg Sas L Reg OTL Sask) 
 3 CALGARY     4-2-0  0-2-0  4-4-0 (W Leth-2 UBC-2 L Alta-2) 
 4 SASK.       3-3-0  0-0-0  3-3-0 (W Reg-2 Man L Reg-2 Man) 
 5 REGINA      3-3-0  0-0-0  3-3-0 (W Sas-2 Man L Sas-2 Man) 
 6 UBC         1-2-1  0-0-0  1-2-1 (W Alta L Alta Cal OTL Cal) 
 7 LETHBRIDGE  0-2-2  0-0-0  0-2-2 (L Alta-2 OTL Calg-2)
Though we are 3 weeks into the schedule, in a quirk the Man-Sask teams have played only one another while the BC-Alta teams have done likewise. In effect, this stops us from measuring one half of the conference against the other based on league play. It's like they are trying to bring back GPAC. Alberta scored 2 big wins so they clearly hang on to #1. I give Manitoba the nod over Calgary for having beaten Sask and because Calgary's 4 straight wins have all been very narrow. So Calgary basically jumps from #6 to #3 and the rest move down one.
Code:
   OUA 
                CONF   CIS   TOTAL 
 1 MCGILL      6-0-0  0-0-0  6-0-0 (W Tor Nip UQTR-2 RMC Que)
 2 CONCORDIA   5-1-0  0-0-0  4-1-0 (W Rye Que Ott Nip Tor L Carl) 
 3 W. ONTARIO  4-0-1  0-0-0  4-0-1 (W Gue York Laur Wat OTL UOIT) 
 4 CARLETON    4-1-0  0-0-0  4-1-0 (W RMC Conc Que Rye L Rye) 

 5 LAURIER     4-2-0  0-0-0  4-2-0 (W UOIT-2 Bro-2 L Wat WO) 
 6 YORK        3-3-0  0-0-0  3-3-0 (W Wind-2 Wat L Bro-2 WO) 
 7 WATERLOO    3-3-0  0-0-0  3-3-0 (W Lake Gue Laur L Lake York WO)
 8 RYERSON     4-3-0  0-0-0  4-3-0 (W Nip Carl RMC-2 L Conc Ott Carl)
 9 WINDSOR     3-3-0  0-0-0  3-3-0 (W Lake-2 UOIT L York-2 UOIT)
10 LAKEHEAD    3-2-1  0-0-0  3-2-1 (W Wat Gue-2 L Wind-2 OTL Wat)

11 OTTAWA      3-3-0  0-0-0  3-3-0 (W RMC Nip Rye L Que Conc Nip)
12 QUEEN'S     3-3-0  0-0-0  3-3-0 (W Ott Tor Nip L Conc Carl McG)
13 GUELPH      2-4-0  0-2-0  2-6-0 (W Bro UOIT L WO Wat Lake-2)
14 UOIT        2-4-0  0-0-0  2-4-0 (W WO Wind L Laur-2 Gue Wind)
15 BROCK       2-3-0  0-2-0  2-5-0 (W Yor-2 L Gue Laur-2)
16 NIPISSING   2-3-2  0-0-0  2-3-2 (W UQT Ott L Rye McG Nip OTL Ott Que) 
17 UQTR        3-3-0  2-3-0  5-6-0 (W Tor-2 RMC L Nip McG-2) 
 
18 TORONTO     0-2-3  0-0-0  0-2-3 (L UQTR-2 OTL McG Que Conc) 
19 RMC         0-5-1  0-0-0  0-5-1 (L Carl Rye-2 McG UQTR OTL Ott)
In the OUA it is clear that the McGilligutties are @1, the Toronto Blahs are #18, and that RMC is #19. The rest of the rankings need explanation. It seems that there are numerous examples of A beat B who beat C who beat A. So I have ranked the teams on wins plus strength of schedule, measured by the number of wins achieved by each vanquished opponent. This basically weeded out the teams into 3 groups as listed. Concordia and Carleton are higher than anticipated and Lakehead and UQTR are lower. Lakehead has bounced back with 2 big wins over Guelph. But UQTR's only wins are over the winless!
Code:
   AUS 
                CONF   CIS   TOTAL 
 1 ST F-X      4-0-0  1-0-0  5-0-0 (W Acad SMU STU Monc) 
 2 UNB         3-1-0  4-0-0  7-1-0 (W STU Dal Acad L UPEI) 
 5 ST MARY'S   2-1-0  0-0-0  2-1-0 (W Dal Monc L SFX) 
 3 MONCTON     2-2-0  0-0-0  2-2-0 (W STU UPEI L SMU SFX) 
 4 UPEI        2-2-0  1-0-0  3-2-0 (W UNB Dal L Monc Acad) 
 6 DALHOUSIE   1-3-0  0-0-0  1-3-0 (W Acad L SMU UNB UPEI) 
 7 ACADIA      1-3-0  1-1-0  2-4-0 (W UPEI L SFX Dal UNB) 
 8 ST THOMAS   0-3-0  1-1-0  1-4-0 (L Monc UNB SFX)
UNB have bounced back from their stunning opening loss to UPEI. But St F-X are unbeaten and cannot be denied #1, for now at least. Moncton also came down to Earth in a week where the AUS was back to the pre-season form chart.

So, when blended together, here's what we've got:
Code:
                CONF   CIS   TOTAL 
 1 ST F-X      4-0-0  1-0-0  5-0-0 (W Acad SMU STU Monc) 
 2 UNB         3-1-0  4-0-0  7-1-0 (W STU Dal Acad L UPEI) 
 3 ALBERTA     5-1-0  0-1-0  5-2-0 (W Calg-2 UBC Leth-2 L UBC) 
 4 ST MARY'S   2-1-0  0-0-0  2-1-0 (W Dal Monc L SFX) 
 5 MANITOBA    2-1-1  2-0-0  4-1-1 (W Reg Sas L Reg OTL Sask) 

 6 MONCTON     2-2-0  0-0-0  2-2-0 (W STU UPEI L SMU SFX) 
 7 MCGILL      6-0-0  0-0-0  6-0-0 (W Tor Nip UQTR-2 RMC Que) 23
 8 CALGARY     4-2-0  0-2-0  4-4-0 (W Leth-2 UBC-2 L Alta-2) 
 9 UPEI        2-2-0  1-0-0  3-2-0 (W UNB Dal L Monc Acad) 
10 CONCORDIA   5-1-0  0-0-0  4-1-0 (W Rye Que Ott Nip Tor L Carl) 22

11 SASK.       3-3-0  0-0-0  3-3-0 (W Reg-2 Man L Reg-2 Man) 
12 W. ONTARIO  4-0-1  0-0-0  4-0-1 (W Gue York Laur Wat OTL UOIT) 21 
13 REGINA      3-3-0  0-0-0  3-3-0 (W Sas-2 Man L Sas-2 Man) 
14 CARLETON    4-1-0  0-0-0  4-1-0 (W RMC Conc Que Rye L Rye) 20
15 UBC         1-2-1  0-0-0  1-2-1 (W Alta L Alta Cal OTL Cal) 

16 LAURIER     4-2-0  0-0-0  4-2-0 (W UOIT-2 Bro-2 L Wat WO) 16
17 YORK        3-3-0  0-0-0  3-3-0 (W Wind-2 Wat L Bro-2 WO) 15
18 DALHOUSIE   1-3-0  0-0-0  1-3-0 (W Acad L SMU UNB UPEI) 
19 ACADIA      1-3-0  1-1-0  2-4-0 (W UPEI L SFX Dal UNB) 
20 WATERLOO    3-3-0  0-0-0  3-3-0 (W Lake Gue Laur L Lake York WO) 15 

21 RYERSON     4-3-0  0-0-0  4-3-0 (W Nip Carl RMC-2 L Conc Ott Carl) 14
22 LETHBRIDGE  0-2-2  0-0-0  0-2-2 (L Alta-2 OTL Calg-2)
23 WINDSOR     3-3-0  0-0-0  3-3-0 (W Lake-2 UOIT L York-2 UOIT) 14
24 LAKEHEAD    3-2-1  0-0-0  3-2-1 (W Wat Gue-2 L Wind-2 OTL Wat) 14
25 OTTAWA      3-3-0  0-0-0  3-3-0 (W RMC Nip Rye L Que Conc Nip) 12

26 QUEEN'S     3-3-0  0-0-0  3-3-0 (W Ott Tor Nip L Conc Carl McG) 11
27 GUELPH      2-4-0  0-2-0  2-6-0 (W Bro UOIT L WO Wat Lake-2) 8
28 UOIT        2-4-0  0-0-0  2-4-0 (W WO Wind L Laur-2 Gue Wind) 11
29 BROCK       2-3-0  0-2-0  2-5-0 (W Yor-2 L Gue Laur-2) 10
30 NIPISSING   2-3-2  0-0-0  2-3-2 (W UQT Ott L Rye McG Nip OTL Ott Que) 10 

31 UQTR        3-3-0  2-3-0  5-6-0 (W Tor-2 RMC L Nip McG-2) 6
32 ST THOMAS   0-3-0  1-1-0  1-4-0 (L Monc UNB SFX) 
33 TORONTO     0-2-3  0-0-0  0-2-3 (L UQTR-2 OTL McG Que Conc) 
34 RMC         0-5-1  0-0-0  0-5-1 (L Carl Rye-2 McG UQTR OTL Ott) 

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October 31, 2010

THE OFFICIAL HOLLYWOOD TOP 34 ~ 2010-11

Drum roll please ...... THE OFFICIAL HOLLYWOOD TOP 34 for week #5 is on your computer right now!. Here are the links:Here are last week's results:
  • Oct. 26
    Carleton 3 Ottawa 2

    Oct. 27
    Moncton 3 St. Thomas 4 OT
    W. Ontario 3 Brock 2 OT

    Oct. 29
    UPEI 1 UNB 4
    StFX 3 Acadia 5
    Concordia 1 Nipissing 4
    UQTR 3 RMC 2
    Lakehead 5 York 2
    Carleton 3 Toronto 4 OT
    Ottawa 6 Ryerson 3
    Waterloo 1 Western 8
    UOIT 4 Guelph 6
    Brock 3 Windsor 4 OT
    McGill 6 Queen's 4
    Manitoba 4 Lethbridge 8
    Alberta 5 Calgary 4 2OT
    UBC 6 Regina 5

    Oct. 30
    UQTR 4 Ryerson 3
    Waterloo 2 Windsor 1 OT
    Carleton 2 Queen's 3 OT
    UNB 4 Moncton 0
    Saint Mary's 6 Acadia 3
    UPEI 10 St. Thomas 5
    Dalhousie 4 StFX 3 OT
    McGill 4 RMC 1
    Lakehead 0 York 3
    Concordia 2 Toronto 6
    Laurier 1 UOIT 2 OT
    Manitoba 5 Lethbridge 2
    UBC 2 Regina 6
    Calgary 1 Alberta 2
Next week I think I'll be able to go back to last year's system of evaluation by grading. For those who don't recall, or are new, I rank each team in the CIS by A, B, C, and D rankings (sometimes with sub-classes for + or - attached to a grade), I then contrast each team's record against each grading category. Right now the teams have not played enough of a variety of opponents, nor enough games, to tell who might be an A team or a B team, or a C team. Or, heaven forbid, a D team.

So for one last week I will do a conference-by-conference breakdown and then combine the results as best I can:
Code:
   Canada West 
                CONF   CIS   TOTAL 
 1 ALBERTA     7-1-0  0-1-0  7-2-0 (W Calg-4 UBC Leth-2 L UBC)
 2 MANITOBA    3-2-1  2-0-0  5-2-1 (W Reg Sas Leth L Reg Leth OTL Sask)
 3 CALGARY     4-3-1  0-2-0  4-5-1 (W Leth-2 UBC-2 L Alta-3 OTL Alta)
 4 SASK.       3-3-0  0-0-0  3-3-0 (W Reg-2 Man L Reg-2 Man) 
 5 REGINA      4-4-0  0-0-0  4-4-0 (W Sas-2 Man UBC L Sas-2 Man UBC) 
 6 UBC         2-3-1  0-0-0  2-3-1 (W Alta Reg L Alta Cal Reg OTL Cal) 
 7 LETHBRIDGE  1-3-2  0-0-0  1-3-2 (W Man L Alta-2 L Man OTL Calg-2) 
No changes in the CW rankings this week. Alberta is clearly #1 and the rest are really tight.
Code:
   OUA 
                CONF   CIS   TOTAL 
 1 MCGILL      8-0-0  0-0-0  8-0-0 (W Tor Nip UQTR-2 RMC-2 Que-2)
 2 W. ONTARIO  6-0-1  0-0-0  6-0-1 (W Gue York Laur Wat-2 Bro OTL UOIT)

 3 CARLETON    5-1-2  0-0-0  5-1-2 (W RMC Conc Que Rye Ott L Rye OTL Tor Que)
 4 CONCORDIA   5-3-0  0-0-0  5-3-0 (W Rye Que Ott Nip Tor L Carl Nip Tor)

 5 YORK        4-4-0  0-0-0  4-4-0 (W Wind-2 Wat Lake L Bro-2 WO Lake)
 6 LAKEHEAD    4-3-1  0-0-0  4-3-1 (W Wat Gue-2 York L Wind-2 York OTL Wat)
 7 LAURIER     4-2-1  0-0-0  4-2-1 (W UOIT-2 Bro-2 L Wat WO OTL UOIT)
 8 WATERLOO    4-4-0  0-0-0  4-4-0 (W Lake Gue Laur Wind L Lake York WO-2)
 9 WINDSOR     4-3-1  0-0-0  4-3-1 (W Lake-2 UOIT Bro L York-2 UOIT OTL Wat)
10 QUEEN'S     4-4-0  0-0-0  4-4-0 (W Ott Tor Nip Carl L Conc Carl McG-2)
11 NIPISSING   3-3-2  0-0-0  3-3-2 (W UQT Ott Con L Rye McG Con OTL Ott Que)

12 UOIT        3-5-0  0-0-0  3-5-0 (W WO Wind Laur L Laur-2 Gue-2 Wind)
13 OTTAWA      4-4-0  0-0-0  4-4-0 (W RMC Nip Rye-2 L Que Conc Nip Carl)
14 UQTR        5-3-0  2-3-0  7-6-0 (W Tor-2 RMC-2 Rye L Nip McG-2)
15 RYERSON     4-5-0  0-0-0  4-5-0 (W Nip Carl RMC-2 L Conc Ott-2 Carl UQTR)
16 GUELPH      3-4-0  0-2-0  3-6-0 (W Bro UOIT-2 L WO Wat Lake-2)
17 TORONTO     2-2-3  0-0-0  2-2-3 (W Carl Con L UQTR-2 OTL McG Que Conc)
18 BROCK       2-3-2  0-2-0  2-5-2 (W Yor-2 L Gue Laur-2 OTL WO Wind)

19 RMC         0-7-1  0-0-0  0-7-1 (L Carl Rye-2 McG-2 UQTR-2 OTL Ott) 
Once again, it is clear that the McGilligutties are #1. But it is equally clear that the Urban Cowboys are now #2. Carleton and Concordia both slipped this week with 2 losses apiece to the relative lowly. But they still remain a cut above the next group. Teams #5 to #11 can basically be placed in any order. The same with teams #12 to #18. Sadly, RMC remains alone at the bottom.
Code:
   AUS 
                CONF   CIS   TOTAL 
 1 UNB         5-1-0  4-0-0  9-1-0 (W STU Dal Acad UPEI Monc L UPEI) 
 2 ST F-X      4-1-1  1-0-0  5-1-1 (W Aca SMU STU Monc L Aca OTL Dal) 
 3 ST MARY'S   3-1-0  0-0-0  3-1-0 (W Dal Monc Aca L SFX) 
 4 UPEI        3-3-0  1-0-0  4-3-0 (W UNB Dal STU L Monc Acad UNB) 
 5 DALHOUSIE   2-3-0  0-0-0  2-3-0 (W Acad SFX L SMU UNB UPEI) 
 6 MONCTON     2-3-1  0-0-0  2-3-1 (W STU UPEI L SMU SFX OTL STU UNB) 
 7 ACADIA      2-4-0  1-1-0  3-5-0 (W UPEI SFX L SFX Dal UNB SMU) 
 8 ST THOMAS   1-4-0  1-1-0  2-5-0 (W Monc L Monc UNB SFX UPEI) 
St F-X has stumbled and allowed UNB to reclaim their pre-season status predicted by the pundits. I don't think we'll see that ranking change. I also suspect that the ratings will shuffle consistently throughout the season. I wish that SMU had played more games.

So, when blended together, here's what we've got:
Code:
                CONF   CIS   TOTAL 
 1 UNB         5-1-0  4-0-0  9-1-0 (W STU Dal Acad UPEI Monc L UPEI) 
 2 ALBERTA     7-1-0  0-1-0  7-2-0 (W Calg-4 UBC Leth-2 L UBC)
 3 ST F-X      4-1-1  1-0-0  5-1-1 (W Aca SMU STU Monc L Aca OTL Dal) 
 4 ST MARY'S   3-1-0  0-0-0  3-1-0 (W Dal Monc Aca L SFX) 
 5 MANITOBA    3-2-1  2-0-0  5-2-1 (W Reg Sas Leth L Reg Leth OTL Sask)

 6 CALGARY     4-3-1  0-2-0  4-5-1 (W Leth-2 UBC-2 L Alta-3 OTL Alta)
 7 MCGILL      8-0-0  0-0-0  8-0-0 (W Tor Nip UQTR-2 RMC-2 Que-2)
 8 W. ONTARIO  6-0-1  0-0-0  6-0-1 (W Gue York Laur Wat-2 Bro OTL UOIT)
 9 UPEI        3-3-0  1-0-0  4-3-0 (W UNB Dal STU L Monc Acad UNB) 
10 SASK.       3-3-0  0-0-0  3-3-0 (W Reg-2 Man L Reg-2 Man) 

11 REGINA      4-4-0  0-0-0  4-4-0 (W Sas-2 Man UBC L Sas-2 Man UBC) 
12 DALHOUSIE   2-3-0  0-0-0  2-3-0 (W Acad SFX L SMU UNB UPEI) 
13 CARLETON    5-1-2  0-0-0  5-1-2 (W RMC Conc Que Rye Ott L Rye OTL Tor Que)
14 UBC         2-3-1  0-0-0  2-3-1 (W Alta Reg L Alta Cal Reg OTL Cal) 
15 MONCTON     2-3-1  0-0-0  2-3-1 (W STU UPEI L SMU SFX OTL STU UNB) 

16 CONCORDIA   5-3-0  0-0-0  5-3-0 (W Rye Que Ott Nip Tor L Carl Nip Tor)
17 ACADIA      2-4-0  1-1-0  3-5-0 (W UPEI SFX L SFX Dal UNB SMU) 
18 LETHBRIDGE  1-3-2  0-0-0  1-3-2 (W Man L Alta-2 L Man OTL Calg-2) 
19 YORK        4-4-0  0-0-0  4-4-0 (W Wind-2 Wat Lake L Bro-2 WO Lake)
20 LAKEHEAD    4-3-1  0-0-0  4-3-1 (W Wat Gue-2 York L Wind-2 York OTL Wat)

21 LAURIER     4-2-1  0-0-0  4-2-1 (W UOIT-2 Bro-2 L Wat WO OTL UOIT)
22 WATERLOO    4-4-0  0-0-0  4-4-0 (W Lake Gue Laur Wind L Lake York WO-2)
23 WINDSOR     4-3-1  0-0-0  4-3-1 (W Lake-2 UOIT Bro L York-2 UOIT OTL Wat)
24 QUEEN'S     4-4-0  0-0-0  4-4-0 (W Ott Tor Nip Carl L Conc Carl McG-2)
25 NIPISSING   3-3-2  0-0-0  3-3-2 (W UQT Ott Con L Rye McG Nip OTL Ott Que)

26 UOIT        3-5-0  0-0-0  3-5-0 (W WO Wind Laur L Laur-2 Gue-2 Wind)
27 OTTAWA      4-4-0  0-0-0  4-4-0 (W RMC Nip Rye-2 L Que Conc Nip Carl)
28 UQTR        5-3-0  2-3-0  7-6-0 (W Tor-2 RMC-2 Rye L Nip McG-2)
29 RYERSON     4-5-0  0-0-0  4-5-0 (W Nip Carl RMC-2 L Conc Ott-2 Carl UQTR)
30 GUELPH      3-4-0  0-2-0  3-6-0 (W Bro UOIT-2 L WO Wat Lake-2)

31 TORONTO     2-2-3  0-0-0  2-2-3 (W Carl Con L UQTR-2 OTL McG Que Conc)
32 BROCK       2-3-2  0-2-0  2-5-2 (W Yor-2 L Gue Laur-2 OTL WO Wind)
33 ST THOMAS   1-4-0  1-1-0  2-5-0 (W Monc L Monc UNB SFX UPEI) 
34 RMC         0-7-1  0-0-0  0-7-1 (L Carl Rye-2 McG-2 UQTR-2 OTL Ott)


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Hollywood, I don't think the totals of the Canada West Teams totaled correctly, conference + CIS.

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Hollywood, I don't think the totals of the Canada West Teams totaled correctly, conference + CIS.
You are right. The "total" column did not include this week's results, but the conference record did.

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Official Hollywood Top 34 #6

November 7, 2010

THE OFFICIAL HOLLYWOOD TOP 34 ~ 2010-11

Finally, the teams have played enough games so that I can sort the teams in a report-card like fashion into A, B, C, and D categories in week #6 of THE OFFICIAL HOLLYWOOD TOP 34. If you want to check things out to verify data, here are the links:This development means that I need not sort the teams first by conference and then try to blend the conference results.

Here are last week's results:
  • Nov. 3
    UOIT 3 Brock 2 OT

    Nov. 4
    W Ontario 5 York 0

    Nov. 5
    Saint Mary's 2 UNB 5
    Moncton 6 Acadia 8
    StFX 3 UPEI 7
    St. Thomas 5 Dalhousie 6 OT
    Nipissing 3 UQTR 2
    Toronto 2 McGill 9
    RMC 1 Carleton 5
    Windsor 1 Guelph 3
    Laurier 6 Lakehead 5
    Ryerson 1 Concordia 3
    York 1 Waterloo 4
    Regina 1 Manitoba 4
    Ottawa 4 Queen's 5 OT
    Saskatchewan 1 Calgary 4
    Lethbridge 5 UBC 4 OT

    Nov. 6
    Ryerson 1 UQTR 7
    Queen's 5 Concordia 7
    Saint Mary's 2 UPEI 4
    St. Thomas 1 Acadia 5
    StFX 2 UNB 6
    Moncton 4 Dalhousie 1
    Nipissing 3 McGill 5
    Toronto 2 Carleton 4
    RMC 2 Ottawa 4
    Brock 3 UOIT 2 OT
    Laurier 1 Lakehead 5
    Waterloo 3 W Ontario 5
    Windsor 0 Guelph 3
    Regina 1 Manitoba 6
    Saskatchewan 2 Calgary 1
    Lethbridge 0 UBC 5
And here are the rankings:
Code:
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               |   A  |   B  |   C  |   D  |  CIS | TOTAL |
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|   A          |      |      |      |      |      |       |
| 1 UNB        | 1-0-0| 5-1-0| 0-0-0| 1-0-0| 4-0-0|11-1-0 |
| 2 ALBERTA    | 0-0-0| 5-1-0| 2-0-0| 0-0-0| 0-1-0| 7-2-0 |
| 3 ST MARY'S  | 0-1-0| 3-2-0| 0-0-0| 0-0-0| 0-0-0| 3-3-0 |
|---------------------------------------------------------|
|   B+         |      |      |      |      |      |       |
| 4 MANITOBA   | 0-0-0| 4-1-1| 1-1-0| 0-0-0| 2-0-0| 7-2-1 |
| 5 UPEI       | 2-1-0| 2-2-0| 0-0-0| 1-0-0| 1-0-0| 6-3-0 |
| 6 CALGARY    | 0-3-1| 3-1-0| 2-0-0| 0-0-0| 0-2-0| 5-6-1 |
| 7 W. ONTARIO | 0-0-0| 0-0-0| 8-0-1| 0-0-0| 0-0-0| 8-0-1 |
| 8 MCGILL     | 0-0-0| 0-0-0| 8-0-0| 2-0-0| 0-0-0|10-0-0 |
| 9 ST F-X     | 1-1-0| 2-2-1| 0-0-0| 1-0-0| 1-0-0| 5-3-1 |
|---------------------------------------------------------|
|   B          |      |      |      |      |      |       |
|10 SASK.      | 0-0-0| 4-4-0| 0-0-0| 0-0-0| 0-0-0| 4-4-0 |
|11 ACADIA     | 0-2-0| 3-2-0| 0-0-0| 1-0-0| 1-1-0| 5-5-0 |
|12 DALHOUSIE  | 0-2-0| 2-2-0| 0-0-0| 1-0-0| 0-0-0| 3-4-0 |
|13 CARLETON   | 0-0-0| 1-0-0| 4-1-2| 2-0-0| 0-0-0| 7-1-2 |
|14 UBC        | 1-1-0| 1-2-1| 1-0-1| 0-0-0| 0-0-0| 3-3-2 |
|15 REGINA     | 0-0-0| 4-6-0| 0-0-0| 0-0-0| 0-0-0| 4-6-0 |
|16 MONCTON    | 0-2-0| 2-2-0| 0-0-0| 1-0-1| 0-0-0| 3-4-1 |
|17 CONCORDIA  | 0-0-0| 0-1-0| 7-2-0| 0-0-0| 0-0-0| 7-3-0 |
|---------------------------------------------------------|
|   C+         |      |      |      |      |      |       |
|18 LETHBRIDGE | 0-2-0| 2-2-2| 0-0-0| 0-0-0| 0-0-0| 2-4-2 |
|19 LAURIER    | 0-0-0| 0-1-0| 5-2-1| 0-0-0| 0-0-0| 5-3-1 |
|20 WATERLOO   | 0-0-0| 0-3-0| 5-2-0| 0-0-0| 0-0-0| 5-5-0 |
|21 LAKEHEAD   | 0-0-0| 0-0-0| 5-4-1| 0-0-0| 0-0-0| 5-4-1 |
|22 QUEEN'S    | 0-0-0| 1-5-0| 4-0-0| 0-0-0| 0-0-0| 5-5-0 |
|23 NIPISSING  | 0-0-0| 1-3-0| 3-1-2| 0-0-0| 0-0-0| 4-4-2 |
|24 UQTR       | 0-0-0| 0-2-0| 4-2-0| 2-0-0| 2-3-0| 8-7-0 |
|---------------------------------------------------------|
|   C          |      |      |      |      |      |       |
|25 GUELPH     | 0-0-0| 0-1-0| 5-3-0| 0-0-0| 0-2-0| 5-6-0 |
|26 OTTAWA     | 0-0-0| 0-2-0| 3-2-1| 2-0-0| 0-0-0| 5-4-1 |
|27 YORK       | 0-0-0| 0-2-0| 4-4-0| 0-0-0| 0-0-0| 4-6-0 |
|28 BROCK      | 0-0-0| 0-0-1| 3-3-2| 0-0-0| 0-2-0| 3-5-3 |
|29 WINDSOR    | 0-0-0| 0-0-0| 4-5-1| 0-0-0| 0-0-0| 4-5-1 |
|30 UOIT       | 0-0-0| 1-0-0| 3-5-1| 0-0-0| 0-0-0| 4-5-1 |
|31 RYERSON    | 0-0-0| 1-3-0| 1-4-0| 2-0-0| 0-0-0| 4-7-0 |
|32 TORONTO    | 0-0-0| 2-2-2| 0-2-1| 0-0-0| 0-0-0| 2-4-3 |
|---------------------------------------------------------|
|   D          |      |      |      |      |      |       |
|33 ST THOMAS  | 0-1-0| 1-4-1| 0-0-0| 0-0-0| 1-1-0| 2-6-1 |
|34 RMC        | 0-0-0| 0-4-0| 0-5-1| 0-0-0| 0-0-0| 0-9-1 |
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For some special notes, I have to start with the AUS, and more specifically with St. F-X. They were formerly ranked #1 back when they were 4-0. They have now lost 4 straight, against 4 different teams. Perhaps charitably, I have left them as a B+ team for now. Conversely, UPEI jumps. They pounded St FX and this week's conquest of SMU, paired with their win over UNB, scores them a lot of points. For their part, SMU have played only 6 games (one against every AUS team but for STU). Their rating as an A level team may also be charitable. But they are defending national champions and were somewhat wobbly in last year's rankings most of the way. As for STU, it is hard to know where to rank the 'Pids. The AUS is a tough conference. But it is not just their record, it is their margin of defeat that makes me put them at D level.

In the CW, Alberta clearly warrant an A level ranking. Manitoba's convincing wins over Regina, though playing down 3 men, accentuate their strength. For now I am hesitant to bring anybody else into the A level. If Manitoba can sweep the mid-ranked CW teams while doing well against the upper level teams then a move could happen. The same could be said for Calgary. However, many have questioned their pedigree due to the closeness of some early results. Sask presents as a conundrum. Are they are contender with some early season struggles? Or are they a mid-ranked team destined to split a whole lot of series?

Turning to the OUA East, many in the official rankings are going ga-ga over McGill. I am not. Yes they are 10-0. However, the OUA East has been the weakest division in the CIS. And McGill has yet to play the 2nd and 3rd placed teams (Concordia and Carleton). Still, their margins of victory have been impressive. A weekend in the west followed by a weekend on the Atlantic seaboard would tell us where they really rank. Their ability to kick sand in the faces of 98-pound weaklings has been established. I need to see them beat some big boys. UQTR shocks me. Their 6-4 record covers up a really poor start. Two one-sided losses to McGill, and two losses to a 2nd year program from Nipissing, makes this more than a poor start.

Finally, the OUA West has severed into two packs: The Urban Cowboys by themselves in one whilst the other 8 are in a pack within spitting distance of .500. UWO has only lost once, and that was in OT. Based on strength of schedule, I have given them the edge over McGill. The division's other recent contenders (Lakehead, Laurier, and Waterloo) have all come back to the pack. The slipping of Lakehead shocks me. I would have bet that they would remain strong forever. Yet all they have done is split every weekend series. (They are the only side in the OUA which plays CW-style weekend double-headers.) The fact that Brock is 3-3-3 against these teams, and looked positively woeful by CW standards when they played Manitoba, forces me to conclude that none of the teams in this division, outside of UWO, are really close to being B level teams. So I have them at C+ or C level for now.

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Official Hollywood Top 34 - #7

November 14, 2010

THE OFFICIAL HOLLYWOOD TOP 34 ~ 2010-11

Heaven be praised! The weekend is over and through divine intervention THE OFFICIAL HOLLYWOOD TOP 34 is here for week #7. And as usual, here are the links:Here are last week's results:
  • Nov. 11
    W. Ontario 5 York 2
    Ryerson 1 McGill 5
    Waterloo 4 Laurier 3 OT

    Nov. 12
    Dalhousie 3 Moncton 4
    UNB 6 StFX 1
    UPEI 1 Saint Mary's 2 OT
    Acadia 4 St. Thomas 2
    Ryerson 2 McGill 6
    Concordia 4 RMC 3
    Carleton 1 Nipissing 2
    Laurier 2 Windsor 3
    Lakehead 3 UOIT 2 OT
    Guelph 4 W. Ontario 5
    Brock 2 Waterloo 3
    Ottawa 6 Toronto 3
    Calgary 2 Manitoba 1 OT
    Alberta 5 Regina 0
    UBC 4 Saskatchewan 5 OT
    UQTR 7 Queen's 4

    Nov. 13
    Dalhousie 4 St. Thomas 3 OT
    Nipissing 4 Carleton 3
    Brock 1 Guelph 2 OT
    UPEI 3 StFX 1
    Acadia 1 Moncton 2 OT
    UNB 1 Saint Mary's 3
    Lakehead 6 UOIT 3
    York 2 Windsor 4
    Calgary 1 Manitoba 2 SO
    Alberta 4 Regina 2
    UBC 1 Saskatchewan 3

    Nov. 14
    Toronto 1 Ottawa 4
    RMC 3 Concordia 6
And here are the rankings:
Code:

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               |   A  |   B  |   C  |   D  |  CIS | TOTAL |
 ---------------------------------------------------------
|   A          |      |      |      |      |      |       |
| 1 UNB        | 1-1-0| 6-1-0| 0-0-0| 1-0-0| 4-0-0|12-2-0 |
| 2 ALBERTA    | 0-0-0| 7-1-0| 2-0-0| 0-0-0| 0-1-0| 9-2-0 |
| 3 ST MARY'S  | 1-1-0| 4-2-0| 0-0-0| 0-0-0| 0-0-0| 5-3-0 |
|---------------------------------------------------------|
|   B+         |      |      |      |      |      |       |
| 4 MANITOBA   | 0-0-0| 5-1-2| 1-1-0| 0-0-0| 2-0-0| 8-2-2 |
| 5 UPEI       | 2-1-1| 3-2-0| 0-0-0| 1-0-0| 1-0-0| 7-3-1 |
| 6 CALGARY    | 0-3-1| 4-1-1| 2-0-0| 0-0-0| 0-2-0| 6-6-2 |
| 7 W. ONTARIO | 0-0-0| 0-0-0|10-0-1| 0-0-0| 0-0-0|10-0-1 |
| 8 MCGILL     | 0-0-0| 0-0-0|10-0-0| 2-0-0| 0-0-0|12-0-0 |
|---------------------------------------------------------|
|   B          |      |      |      |      |      |       |
| 9 SASK.      | 0-0-0| 6-4-0| 0-0-0| 0-0-0| 0-0-0| 6-4-0 |
|10 MONCTON    | 0-2-0| 4-2-0| 0-0-0| 1-0-1| 0-0-0| 5-4-1 |
|11 ACADIA     | 0-2-0| 3-2-1| 0-0-0| 2-0-0| 1-1-0| 6-6-0 |
|12 ST F-X     | 1-2-0| 2-3-1| 0-0-0| 1-0-0| 1-0-0| 5-5-1 |
|13 DALHOUSIE  | 0-2-0| 2-3-0| 0-0-0| 2-0-0| 0-0-0| 4-5-0 |
|14 CONCORDIA  | 0-0-0| 0-1-0| 7-2-0| 2-0-0| 0-0-0| 9-3-0 |
|15 CARLETON   | 0-0-0| 1-0-0| 4-3-2| 2-0-0| 0-0-0| 7-3-2 |
|16 UBC        | 1-1-0| 1-3-2| 1-0-1| 0-0-0| 0-0-0| 3-4-3 |
|17 REGINA     | 0-2-0| 4-6-0| 0-0-0| 0-0-0| 0-0-0| 4-8-0 |
|---------------------------------------------------------|
|   C+         |      |      |      |      |      |       |
|18 NIPISSING  | 0-0-0| 3-3-0| 3-1-2| 0-0-0| 0-0-0| 6-4-2 |
|19 LETHBRIDGE | 0-2-0| 2-2-2| 0-0-0| 0-0-0| 0-0-0| 2-4-2 |
|20 WATERLOO   | 0-0-0| 0-3-0| 7-2-0| 0-0-0| 0-0-0| 7-5-0 |
|21 LAKEHEAD   | 0-0-0| 0-0-0| 7-4-1| 0-0-0| 0-0-0| 7-4-1 |
|22 QUEEN'S    | 0-0-0| 1-5-0| 4-1-0| 0-0-0| 0-0-0| 5-6-0 |
|23 UQTR       | 0-0-0| 0-2-0| 5-2-0| 2-0-0| 2-3-0| 9-7-0 |
|24 LAURIER    | 0-0-0| 0-1-0| 5-3-2| 0-0-0| 0-0-0| 5-4-2 |
|---------------------------------------------------------|
|   C          |      |      |      |      |      |       |
|25 WINDSOR    | 0-0-0| 0-0-0| 6-5-1| 0-0-0| 0-0-0| 6-5-1 |
|26 OTTAWA     | 0-0-0| 0-2-0| 5-2-1| 2-0-0| 0-0-0| 7-4-1 |
|27 GUELPH     | 0-0-0| 0-2-0| 5-3-0| 0-0-0| 0-2-0| 6-7-0 |
|28 YORK       | 0-0-0| 0-3-0| 4-5-0| 0-0-0| 0-0-0| 4-8-0 |
|29 BROCK      | 0-0-0| 0-0-1| 3-5-2| 0-0-0| 0-2-0| 3-7-3 |
|30 UOIT       | 0-0-0| 1-0-0| 3-6-2| 0-0-0| 0-0-0| 4-6-2 |
|31 RYERSON    | 0-0-0| 1-5-0| 1-4-0| 2-0-0| 0-0-0| 4-9-0 |
|32 TORONTO    | 0-0-0| 2-2-2| 0-4-1| 0-0-0| 0-0-0| 2-5-3 |
|---------------------------------------------------------|
|   D          |      |      |      |      |      |       |
|33 ST THOMAS  | 0-1-0| 1-5-2| 0-0-0| 0-0-0| 1-1-0| 2-7-2 |
|34 RMC        | 0-0-0| 0-6-0| 0-5-1| 0-0-0| 0-0-0| 0-11-1|
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In the AUS, SMU had a nice weekend. However, not enough to move up. Last week I thought that their A level ranking may have been charitable. But this week's results justified my faith in them. Otherwise, Moncton goes up and, once again St FX falls. And St FX is no longer a B+ team.

There were no changes in the CW. Manitoba and Calgary had their expected split, Saskatchewan finally had a sweep, and the Evil Monkeys had the expected feast on Regina. One thing to keep an eye on is whether the CW will begin to separate into haves and have-nots and, if so, whether UBC, Regina, and Lethbridge could win enough games to stay/become B level teams.

In the OUA East, the Nippers' sweep of Carleton moves them up, and Carleton down. The question is how to mix and match this division against the OUA West. The coming weeks are filled with OUA interlock games and those will help us greatly. I predict that the official CIS rankings will once again over-rate McGill. Two more wins over Ryerson aren't going to move them up in my rankings. Are Carleton and Concordia really B level teams? Can UQTR return to form?

Finally, the OUA West had some shuffling. Laurier and Windsor are borderline C/C+ now. Lakehead scored a pair of wins, but over lower-ranked UOIT. So basically the division was stand-pat. After the Urban Cowboys the rest can all shuffle back and forth on a week to week basis.

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McGill

I've seen McGill play & dominate Nipissing this season... well actually every game they've played at Memorial Gardens. The Redmen have a 12 win, 0 loss record; so I'm curious about why they rank less than 7 other teams.

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I have to agree with nosl. I get that McGill has played a fairly weak schedule in comparison to the A teams. But compare them to Western. Including pre-season, McGill is 17-0, and that includes a win over Western, at Western. Western, who I recognize has played a marginally tougher regular season schedule and a much tougher pre-season schedule, is 14-4-1 overall - but lost to McGill. How does McGill end up getting ranked below Western? I really do think McGill is the class of OUA and am also surprised they are not ranked higher - it just seems there is no way for them to prove they belong with the top teams given the teams in the OUA they are playing.

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I have to agree with nosl. I get that McGill has played a fairly weak schedule in comparison to the A teams. But compare them to Western. Including pre-season, McGill is 17-0, and that includes a win over Western, at Western. Western, who I recognize has played a marginally tougher regular season schedule and a much tougher pre-season schedule, is 14-4-1 overall - but lost to McGill. How does McGill end up getting ranked below Western? I really do think McGill is the class of OUA and am also surprised they are not ranked higher - it just seems there is no way for them to prove they belong with the top teams given the teams in the OUA they are playing.
McGill comes down here to play UNB on Dec. 30th. They can prove their ability in that game. A win, or even a close contest would make them a much stronger team in the eyes of many.

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McGill comes down here to play UNB on Dec. 30th. They can prove their ability in that game. A win, or even a close contest would make them a much stronger team in the eyes of many.
I am curious as to how McGill does in comparison to the destructions of Alberta and Calgary. Then again Guelph held their own scorewise better than Alberta and Calgary, but UNB fans mentioned they were dominated in terms of territory. Perhaps they could inform us of how McGill looks as well in addition to the score. McGill last year showed they had skill, but maybe lacked conditioning. McGill was up 4-1 against Manitoba at nationals, and gave SMU a way better fight than Manitoba, even up at one point and held their own in the shot count.

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The McGilligutties

To the various comments about the McGilligutties:

1. Last year they played out west during the Christmas break. While they did very well against Alberta, they also lost to UBC. One thing this showed is that all the CW teams are capable of beating a good team and that the gap between first and last is relatively small.

2. At nationals neither McGill nor UQTR could hold leads. I attribute this in large part to point #1. During the season the CW and AUS teams play good teams all the time. So teams from the AUS and CW found a game against McGill or UQTR to be nothing unusual. For the OUA teams, however, the games were a big step up.

3. The Urban Cowboys had a lukewarm pre-season but once the games started to count they have done well.

4. UNB did slam Alberta and Calgary early in the pre-season. But they did likewise to SMU. Yet they lost to SMU last week. I give UNB full credit for the wins. But it also seems clear that they just started stronger then anybody.

5. McGill is somewhat hampered by their woefully weak schedule. Their opponents have been rated #18, #22, #23, #31, #32, and #34. They have yet to play the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th place teams (Carleton, Concordia, Ottawa) in their own division!

6. Since the middle (and even slightly higher) of the OUA is on par with the bottom of the AUS and CW, the bottom of the OUA (which is what McGill has predominantly played) are teams below the calibre of anything the AUS and CW will ever see outside an exhibition game.

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[QUOTE Originally Posted by Squirrel Forever — McGill comes down here to play UNB on Dec. 30th. They can prove their ability in that game. A win, or even a close contest would make them a much stronger team in the eyes of many]
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I am curious as to how McGill does in comparison to the destructions of Alberta and Calgary. Then again Guelph held their own scorewise better than Alberta and Calgary, but UNB fans mentioned they were dominated in terms of territory. Perhaps they could inform us of how McGill looks as well in addition to the score. McGill last year showed they had skill, but maybe lacked conditioning. McGill was up 4-1 against Manitoba at nationals, and gave SMU a way better fight than Manitoba, even up at one point and held their own in the shot count.I am curious as to how McGill does in comparison to the destructions of Alberta and Calgary. Then again Guelph held their own scorewise better than Alberta and Calgary, but UNB fans mentioned they were dominated in terms of territory. Perhaps they could inform us of how McGill looks as well in addition to the score. McGill last year showed they had skill, but maybe lacked conditioning. McGill was up 4-1 against Manitoba at nationals, and gave SMU a way better fight than Manitoba, even up at one point and held their own in the shot count.
In regards to UNB, be careful when comparing pre-season to recent regular season results. Some of you may not be aware of how UNB's lineup has been decimated by injuries, particularly on the blueline. So when McGill does indeed play UNB in exhibition, please pay attention to UNB's lineup and how many regular starters the V-Reds may be playing. That would certainly be relative, I would think. With all of its lineup intact, UNB is the best CIS team, by far, on paper. There is no Ont./Que. team that would come even close in, say, a best-of-three, best-of-five or best-of-seven series. And, yes, most CW teams would have great difficulty pulling off any kind of victory over the Mighty Reds.

One thing I can say is that, over the past decade, other than a blip here and there, Ontario/Quebec teams have been generally weaker at CIS national championships year in and year out. More often than not, when they have won games, goaltending — and not strong play, generally speaking — has been the difference. A few goalies have stolen games over the years, but that is hard to do for three straight games at the Uni Cup — and that's the case even for a team like Manitoba, which relies heavily on its goalie, Steve Christie. (More so than an Alberta, or Saskatchewan or Calgary out West does with respect with their goalies.)

I think Manitoba was somewhat ill-prepared for the CIS University Cup, given its lack of appearances and exposure at the national level. McGill, however, has become a regular fixture. That may explain McGill's strong start against Manitoba. I'm sure that, if the two teams were to meet again at the Uni Cup in 2011, McGill would not enjoy so an early edge, regardless of the final outcome.

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One shouldn't discount the fact that UNB has an almost fanatical commitment to off-season conditioning. UNB players WORK themselves into shape over the summer and early fall while other teams PLAY themselves into shape. So the V-Reds have an obvious, but hard earned, advantage over other teams in the preseason. This is one of the keys to success to their ability to beat NCAA teams - they usually get an early jump on their opponent, and usually get an early lead. As the season progresses, this conditioning gap narrows between UNB and everyone else.

The previous poster is correct to talk about UNB's roster - in the preseason games against Calgary and Alberta they had Ben Wright (until he got hurt), Ben Shutron (until he got hurt), Daine Todd and Taylor Procyshen all playing. Those are top-4 d-men and top-6 forwards they're missing. Sure, they just got back Wright ahead of schedule, but now all-Canadian Luke Gallant is out til after Christmas with a broken hand. UNB may be deep, but those are key players they're forced to make do without.

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To the various comments about the McGilligutties:

1. Last year they played out west during the Christmas break. While they did very well against Alberta, they also lost to UBC. One thing this showed is that all the CW teams are capable of beating a good team and that the gap between first and last is relatively small.

2. At nationals neither McGill nor UQTR could hold leads. I attribute this in large part to point #1. During the season the CW and AUS teams play good teams all the time. So teams from the AUS and CW found a game against McGill or UQTR to be nothing unusual. For the OUA teams, however, the games were a big step up.

3. The Urban Cowboys had a lukewarm pre-season but once the games started to count they have done well.

4. UNB did slam Alberta and Calgary early in the pre-season. But they did likewise to SMU. Yet they lost to SMU last week. I give UNB full credit for the wins. But it also seems clear that they just started stronger then anybody.

5. McGill is somewhat hampered by their woefully weak schedule. Their opponents have been rated #18, #22, #23, #31, #32, and #34. They have yet to play the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th place teams (Carleton, Concordia, Ottawa) in their own division!

6. Since the middle (and even slightly higher) of the OUA is on par with the bottom of the AUS and CW, the bottom of the OUA (which is what McGill has predominantly played) are teams below the calibre of anything the AUS and CW will ever see outside an exhibition game.
I agree with most of what you state. However SMU was lucky to beat UNB - their goals came on a 5-on-3 power play, a flukey bounce for an empty net goal, and then a final empty netter. No offence to the Huskies, but they didn't outplay UNB.

The McGill coach admitted in Thunder Bay that they are not used to the officiating difference at Nationals - apparently the officials in Quebec call everything, and you could see the Redmen getting upset by "non-calls" in their eyes, which for most of us is "normal" officiating. It put them off their game a bit, especially Verrault-Paul who ended up taking retaliatory penalties.

Face it. Ontario East is weak. McGill is seldom challenged in conference play ... they don't face a lot of adversity. So I agree, when they get to the national stage they are facing unfamiliar teams from CW and AUS who know about winning, losing, and the difference it takes.

Don't get me wrong. I like the McGill program. If they were in the AUS or CW I could see them thriving on the competition and being a contender. But they're stuck in a weak conference and that may continue to hold them back from winning it all. I'm glad that they play so many NCAA teams and make near annual trips to the AUS. As much as X is struggling to score goals now, I will surprised if X doesn't at least split their two games, and I will be very, very surprised if UNB loses to McGill on the 30th.

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I agree with most of what you state. However SMU was lucky to beat UNB - their goals came on a 5-on-3 power play, a flukey bounce for an empty net goal, and then a final empty netter. No offence to the Huskies, but they didn't outplay UNB.

The McGill coach admitted in Thunder Bay that they are not used to the officiating difference at Nationals - apparently the officials in Quebec call everything, and you could see the Redmen getting upset by "non-calls" in their eyes, which for most of us is "normal" officiating. It put them off their game a bit, especially Verrault-Paul who ended up taking retaliatory penalties.

Face it. Ontario East is weak. McGill is seldom challenged in conference play ... they don't face a lot of adversity. So I agree, when they get to the national stage they are facing unfamiliar teams from CW and AUS who know about winning, losing, and the difference it takes.

Don't get me wrong. I like the McGill program. If they were in the AUS or CW I could see them thriving on the competition and being a contender. But they're stuck in a weak conference and that may continue to hold them back from winning it all. I'm glad that they play so many NCAA teams and make near annual trips to the AUS. As much as X is struggling to score goals now, I will surprised if X doesn't at least split their two games, and I will be very, very surprised if UNB loses to McGill on the 30th.

I agree and disagree with this post. I watched the game and it wasnt a flukey game at all, just the 2nd goal. A win is a win. UNB didnt lose any spots in the top 10 and is still first place. So they wont tie last years record.

But yeah, Ontario East is weak. You have teams like RMC and Queens that are there to boost the teams standings and rankings with a guaranteed 2 points.

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I agree and disagree with this post. I watched the game and it wasnt a flukey game at all, just the 2nd goal. A win is a win. UNB didnt lose any spots in the top 10 and is still first place. So they wont tie last years record.
I don't believe a "win is a win" is the case when you are discussing rankings, which is the point of this thread. Home teams dominate wins in the CW and AUS, so a win on the road is more important than one at home, and vice verse. When a team "steals" a win against an opponent thanks to say a goalie (which wasn't the case in the UNB-SMU game) you might discount it a bit because you speculate/wonder/doubt if it can be repeated. When a team is terribly short-staffed, like Lethbridge a few weeks ago, you shouldn't hold that against them too much in rankings (unless those missing players won't be coming back). Beating a less skilled team (like the majority of the OUA East) is not exceptional, so a winning record based solely on beating those teams doesn't make your team an exceptional team. There are tons of variables that discount a "win is a win" and Hollywood is doing an admirable job trying to prove just that.

Okay, rant over.

P.S. Five voters moved their first place vote from UNB to Alberta this week, so there were consequences for UNB losing to SMU.


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SnipeShow91, without the flukey 2nd goal there would be no empty net goal.

A game between two of the top teams in the CIS deserves first class officiating. I honestly don't think either team got it on Saturday.

I never found Mr. Hulshof to be a very competent ref in the Q so I'm not surprised that his work leaves a lot to be desired for both teams at the AUS level. There were suspect calls both ways on Saturday night but they certainly seemed to favor SMU with two 2 man advantages, a mickey mouse hitting from behind call against Ben Wright and the untimely too many men call right after the same missed call against SMU.

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Every year the OUA supporters whine about their lack of status amongst the CIS voters. It is really embarassing. Their record at every National Championship since 2004 speaks for itself.
Based upon the results over the seven years it is clear that the AUS has the strongest league with four National titles in (2004-St. FX, 2007 and 2009 UNB and 2010 Saint Mary's), Canada West is the second strongest (Alberta winning three titles, 2005, 2006 and 2008) and the OUA the weakest with no titles.
If you took a look at the scores at Nationals and took it one step further built in shots it would further illustrate the point.

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Every year the OUA supporters whine about their lack of status amongst the CIS voters. It is really embarassing. Their record at every National Championship since 2004 speaks for itself.
Based upon the results over the seven years it is clear that the AUS has the strongest league with four National titles in (2004-St. FX, 2007 and 2009 UNB and 2010 Saint Mary's), Canada West is the second strongest (Alberta winning three titles, 2005, 2006 and 2008) and the OUA the weakest with no titles.
If you took a look at the scores at Nationals and took it one step further built in shots it would further illustrate the point.
The oua has some fantastic hockey players at every position. Unfortunately with so many teams they just are too watered down with filler players when compared to the east and west. There is really no way to fix this. I just can't see how one school in the oua can put a team together to compete at this point. Mcgill seems good this year. But they really have no top teams in the oua east to compete against. Western looks good in the west. Lakehead is always a top team. Unfortunately they have taken a few steps back this year so I can't see them making any waves.

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The oua has some fantastic hockey players at every position. Unfortunately with so many teams they just are too watered down with filler players when compared to the east and west. There is really no way to fix this. I just can't see how one school in the oua can put a team together to compete at this point. Mcgill seems good this year. But they really have no top teams in the oua east to compete against. Western looks good in the west. Lakehead is always a top team. Unfortunately they have taken a few steps back this year so I can't see them making any waves.
The number of teams argument is kind of accurate and kind of not. The west also has the ACAC (8 teams) and BCIHL (7 teams). The MCAC tried to get a league going but it looks like they won't, for now anyhow. So the 7 CW teams are at the top of a 22 team pyramid.

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Every year the OUA supporters whine about their lack of status amongst the CIS voters. It is really embarassing. Their record at every National Championship since 2004 speaks for itself.
Based upon the results over the seven years it is clear that the AUS has the strongest league with four National titles in (2004-St. FX, 2007 and 2009 UNB and 2010 Saint Mary's), Canada West is the second strongest (Alberta winning three titles, 2005, 2006 and 2008) and the OUA the weakest with no titles.
If you took a look at the scores at Nationals and took it one step further built in shots it would further illustrate the point.
Who are these supporters you are speaking of? I'm guessing not on this site? There are maybe a handful of OUA supporters on here, people like myself, nosl, Thook etc, but none of us are delusional enough to think that our best teams like McGill, Western, Lakehead don't receive enough support. In fact, I think our feelings are on the contrary. The CIS top ten is constantly littered with OUA teams, often as high as 2 or 3. I would be shocked if any of us actually felt that McGill is in the same realm as perennial contenders Alberta and UNB, never mind ahead of the V-Reds.

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