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11-18-2010, 03:57 PM
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Minutes are irrelevant. Vandermeer played in 72 hockey games the first year he was getting games with the Flyers, the majority of which were played with the Phantoms. If Bartulis was playing 10-15 minutes a game, I would have zero problem with what was going on here... he isn't. If he was playing 20 a night in the AHL, I'd have no problem with it.

He isn't.

So, DrDoom, what I would like from you is evidence that I said the following, "I am perfectly fine with Bob Clarke putting a young player in a position where he cannot play in hockey games during key developmental years."

If you can find that, I will apologize and admit that I am holding Holmgren to a double standard with regard to that. If not, I expect an apology from you.

And just because Clarke had flaws, does not mean the folks making arguments critical of Clarke don't have flaws in their argument. These are not mutually exclusive things. People act as if Clarke had no success with this team, and only had success here because of his monetary resources. Neither of these observations is true... as his tenure elsewhere demonstrated.
The issue again that I had was not specific to what you just delineated and what you expect me to apologize to. I said I agree with that point so I'm not apologizing for a point I generally agree with. Again this is about a general perception that seems to arise on many occassions that Clarke was better than Holmgren which I don't ascribe to having experienced for almost 3 full decades his tenure as GM. Just as people have flaws in their argument about Clarke so do they about Holmgren..that's all I'm trying to point out. Actually, what is funny is that the flaws you acknowledge in both of them are not disimilar to mine necessarily. Again, both Clarke and Holmgren are not handling the development of D prospects all that well and when I say in other threads that Clarke had his flaws this is particularly one that is valid so I'm not sure who you are referring to when you say people who criticise Clarke have flawed arguments but mine always tend to center on development of players, fealty to players too long b/c of a vet bias, being bad with personal gripes which affected sound business decisions, his personal admission that he hated dealing with contracts despite not being constrained by a cap and among others like not getting a goalie and believing in the Tretiak philosophy of your team should be better than your goalie (that is you don't need a good goalie if the rest of your team is strong which Holmgren seems to have adopted yet BOB is actually proving you do need a better than avg goalie!) To me these are not flawed criticisms.

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The only interesting thing I took from the last 2 pages of debate is that someone who was apparently an adult in the 1980s still uses the word "dude" far too frequently.

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The only interesting thing I took from the last 2 pages of debate is that someone who was apparently an adult in the 1980s still uses the word "dude" far too frequently.
Thanks for posting I learned a real lot from your tweet...

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Thanks for posting I learned a real lot from your tweet...
For ****'s sake...are we really at a point in our society where any posting on the internet under a certain character limit is being referred to as a "tweet"? I ****ing hate twitter.

But honestly, I haven't read the forum much the last couple days and wanted to read a thread on Simon Gagne and here you are debating Jester over whose pubes are more gray and other completely irrelevant stuff. I know that happens on message boards, but this one seemed out of hand...so I thought I'd be a smartass. It happens.

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For ****'s sake...are we really at a point in our society where any posting on the internet under a certain character limit is being referred to as a "tweet"? I ****ing hate twitter.

But honestly, I haven't read the forum much the last couple days and wanted to read a thread on Simon Gagne and here you are debating Jester over whose pubes are more gray and other completely irrelevant stuff. I know that happens on message boards, but this one seemed out of hand...so I thought I'd be a smartass. It happens.
This thread sucks, no doubt.

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For ****'s sake...are we really at a point in our society where any posting on the internet under a certain character limit is being referred to as a "tweet"? I ****ing hate twitter.

But honestly, I haven't read the forum much the last couple days and wanted to read a thread on Simon Gagne and here you are debating Jester over whose pubes are more gray and other completely irrelevant stuff. I know that happens on message boards, but this one seemed out of hand...so I thought I'd be a smartass. It happens.
It got out of hand like the Tampa game right now....it happens like you said.

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So... Gagne right?

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Forget about Gagne, i think Boucher has got some pretty severe vision problems.

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