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11-18-2010, 04:49 PM
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Thrown out last night, right or wrong?

I got a penalty last night for a trip no problem poked for the puck miseed hit is skate whipes out not a peep from me straight too the box. As the penalty ends i skate to centre as i seen my D just got the puck and their D wasnt paying attention, my buddy fires the puck hard on the left side get the puck backwards facing my own net at he left side face off circle before the blueline, in perfect possession i skate backwards into the O zone, as soon as the puck crossed the blueline after my feet ref blows the play offside before i could spin forward. I skate to the ref ask him if it was an accident or he really blew me offside, he said my feet crossed the line before the puck, i freak out on him asking him where he learnt the rules, is partner comes over and starts defending him. Guys on my team are telling me im wrong, some guys on other team are telling me im right, cause my understanding was if you have control of the puck you may enter the zone however you like as long as no one else puts you offside, the official rule reads as following. An attacking player's skates may precede the puck into the attacking zone provided he is in control of the puck and no other offside condition exists when the puck completely crosses the determining edge of the blue line., so after they kept telling me i was wrong i called them a few names and got thrown out, no one in the room could agree if i was right or wrong, but after reading the official definition i think im right, what do u guys think, im sure ive seen guys reach behind them to coral the puck in that same scenario.

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11-18-2010, 04:54 PM
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Well...I know in the NHL you are right...and Ive done something similar in beer league and wasnt called. But its beer league, even if its in the rule dont count on them calling it right, and definitely dont go on and on to the point of yelling/cursin at the ref, that will def get you tossed no doubt. So the offside was prob a wrong call(from my knowledge), but the throwin you at part seems pretty legit.


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11-18-2010, 05:06 PM
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Well...I know in the NHL you are right...and Ive done something similar in beer league and wasnt called. But its beer league, even if its in the rule dont count on them calling it right, and definitively dont go on and on to the point of yelling/cursin at the ref, that will def get you tossed no doubt. So the offside was prob a wrong call(from my knowledge), but the throwin you at part seems pretty legit.
dont disagree but when he said play the game and let me worry about the rules and then have his partner back him pissed me right off cause those 2 guys are clowns always ruining our games, anyways i printed the whole offside rule sheet and put it in my hockey bag to hopefully show him next game.

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You were right on the rule, but you were wrong to abuse the official.

Everyone's human. People make mistakes. The ref erred when he ruled you offsides, but obviously his partner thought the same thing. You erred when you started calling them names and couldn't control your emotions.

I'd likely address it with the referee-in-chief at your rink to correct it for the future, but do so in a polite manner where you are discussing the situation with him and conversing about the definition in the rule book and not simply stating facts in a hostile manner.

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11-18-2010, 05:18 PM
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dont disagree but when he said play the game and let me worry about the rules and then have his partner back him pissed me right off cause those 2 guys are clowns always ruining our games, anyways i printed the whole offside rule sheet and put it in my hockey bag to hopefully show him next game.
Ya, but fact is its beer league. Ya, I poke fun and heckle our refs at times but I dont ever cross the line and yell at them in their face and curse them out.

You gotta realize bad calls will happen...watch the NHL, those are basically the best refs in the world and make bad calls all the time. Being a beer league ref BLOWS, Id never do it. You get yelled at constantly and ppl always give you ****, so anytime someone is hostile, the refs dont care cause its all the same thing to them. Refs pretty much never take their call back, so the whole yelling/pleading thing isnt helpful.

Try and maybe be friendly with the refs it will get you farther in the long run, especially cause you see the same refs constantly so they may even develop a friendly bias for YOU! =)

Just a little advice to help further avoid the situation

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You're right on the rule, but getting yourself tossed over an offside call is pretty dumb.

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You're right about the rule, but also a total tool for throwing a hissy fit an calling the refs names over a blown offside call in beer league. Ref was definitely justified in tossing you from the game.

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You were right on the rule, but you were wrong to abuse the official.
There is your answer.

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11-18-2010, 06:35 PM
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There is your answer.
i dont disagree with being thrown out, I said some awful things, im just upset they both thought hey were right, and ruined my chance to tie my buddy for point lead, instead he's now 3 ahead of me, you guys dont have to tell me im an ass for getting thrown out, and no one could agree on the rule even after the game.

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...and ruined my chance to tie my buddy for point lead, instead he's now 3 ahead of me
How do you go on living after that? Sounds like your life is ruined.

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How do you go on living after that? Sounds like your life is ruined.
im glad u understand..... its all about bragging rights my friend 2yr scoring champ, but im lucky to play with some quality players.

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Can always sabotage his gear if you really want it that bad, just sayn

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How do you go on living after that? Sounds like your life is ruined.



BTW, who says beer leagues have to follow all the NHL's rules? I know ours certainly doesn't.

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im just upset they both thought hey were right, and ruined my chance to tie my buddy for point lead
Just remember, you ruined your chance at the points lead, the refs didn't.

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Only an idiot argues with beer league ref's. They don't really give a **** about upholding the rules, and would rather throw you out than explain to you the situation.

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Just remember, you ruined your chance at the points lead, the refs didn't.
thanks for all proving your points your all better human beings then me,like ive said 3 times now i wasnt questioning why I was thrown out, i would of thrown myself out for what i said.

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thanks for all proving your points your all better human beings then me,like ive said 3 times now i wasnt questioning why I was thrown out, i would of thrown myself out for what i said.
The title of the thread is "Thrown out last night, right or wrong?" after all. Everyone is just saying "Right."

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What did you expect to happen? That the ref will change his mind, slide the puck into the offensive zone, and yell "GAME ON!"?

The ref made the call. Right or wrong, he made the call. Deal with it.

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The title of the thread is "Thrown out last night, right or wrong?" after all. Everyone is just saying "Right."
yeah i guess i get what your saying, but u cant write that much in the header.

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Next time you see that ref, pull a Steve Downie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbgR7gJBGfk

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Which offside rules are you quoting? Because I know our beer league does not follow NHL rules, there are several different rules between USA Hockey and the NHL and our league even has its own rules that do not completely follow USA Hockey.

So he may have been completely right in his interpretation unless you know you're looking at the actual rules used by your league.

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Yeah, you sounds like a moron and probably play F league if you are worrying about a scoring lead and chirping refs to the point where you get tossed in a mens league game.

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The only thing the refs in my league seem to care about is going home early, so yelling at them is pretty pointless. All it does is waste their time and make them more likely to penalize my team.

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Just as a clarification to the rules, if you happen to play by USAH rules:

Rule 626 Off-Sides
(a) Players of an attacking team may not precede the puck into
the Attacking Zone.
(Note) A player actually propelling and in possession and
control of the puck who shall cross the line ahead of the
puck shall not be considered “off-side.”

So, yes you were correct about the rules. So you were right, what did it really get you? Hopefully you learned another part of the rules, abuse of officials.

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Was the ref claiming you weren't in control of the puck?

There is some room for interpretation if that was his reasoning.

If not he simply got the rule wrong or should have mentioned that the rule is different.

Anyway... 10 Hail Mary's, wear an Albatross around your neck in the next game, help a senior across a street, and then good luck with the scoring race.

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